CF-30, What can we do to this one?! A "build" thread

Well this morning my beloved CF-19 fell off the workbench, hit the concrete, and went dark. I didn't flinch, or even pick it up quickly. I mean why would it break? Never has before.. A few minutes later I picked it up then tried to power it up. I could see things happening, screen backlight came on and then nothing else... Nada, nope, nothing. No idea what broke, and was more motivated to go look for a new toy, than open it up and fix it.

So I ended up getting a CF-30K3PAXAM

I am still fuzzy on the details, but the price was good enough not to worry too much. I also grabbed a backlighted chicklet keyboard. It has a 160gb HDD, so the caddy is there (hopefully). Battery, check. And I have power adapter(s)...

So seems it is a MK3. Where I get fuzzy, max memory and highest OS? This seems a good resource, and possibly close enough to get me Windows 7 64bit... Windows 7 on CF30 MK2 Still I am unclear if 64 gives me more memory room, or if I can GET more than 4 gig of memory...

Odds and Add-ins... Wow, already found a bunch of interesting things. All I really need are my normal mods though. Upgrading memory and OS. GPS is always a must, and as usual super easy to do with tons of options. Instead of painting like I did on my CF-19, I may try my hand at powder coating it.

Anyways free mods come first, so any links to better drivers locations (Panasonic Driver Download Manager was failing me), and any good or better setup instructions would be awesome! In return, I will post up build pictures and progress! Hopefully they will be as entertaining as my CF-19 was!

And besides, the paint on the CF-19 was looking a little worn. It is time for a refresh on that one. And I am sure it is far from permanent retirement. Seems once I get a new Toughbook, the one it is replacing usually gets fixed, or just starts working again.... My excuse though is I CAN NOT be without a working Toughbook and I need that RS232 port!

 

Shawn mentions a "one click driver bundle install" for W7... Say what where?!!!! I will keep reading along in that thread and hope the answer is posted....

 

Model Number : CF-30K3PAXAM
Status : DISCONTINUED
MSRP : $2,000
Description: WinXP (Vista COA), Intel Core 2 Duo SL9300 1.60GHz (Centrino2), vPro, 13.3" XGA Non Touch, 160GB, 2GB, Intel WiFi a/b/g/n, TPM1.2, Bluetooth, Single Pass (WWAN), Wireless Ready,No Drive

Well that was a great price. Even better if the caddy is with it. Myself I would skip 64bit unless you are a power user...

One click driver bundle... http://www.panasonic.com/business/Toughbook/computer-support-search-downloads.asp

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The GPS module itself is the same for a CF19 and a CF30.
The flat cable is slightly different. And you will have to setup an antenna.

Others have got 8gb ram to work in a CF30.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/again-they-told-me-that-it-couldnt-be-done-lighting-strikes-twice-cf-30-memory.752813/

I agree with Blair, stick with 32bit.
After some recent reading, I will say that 64bit on anything that has dedicated graphics would be better.
32bit can only address so much memory and that includes the video ram.
Normal users of a CF30 will never need 32bit.and until you get to over 6gb of ram there is ZERO performance increase for 64bit.

 

you might think about converting to a "touch screen" display .
as the others have said ...
unless you are a (ahem) *power user* , a 64 bit OS will net virtually nothing over 32 bit .

@ shawn :
isn't there something about flipping the ribbon cable on the backlit keyboards ?
perhaps my meds haven't kicked in yet ... or maybe they have ?

 

When I am angry they are "flipping" ribbon cables.....Yes, you need to flip it over from what you would think.

 

It would appear that it is complete with operating HDD and caddy!!!! Thanks for that link!!!

All easy to do, but I will most likely take a different route than using OEM parts. I have a Glosnass 18Hz update rate on my watch list. It uses USB (or other inputs, but USB is simplest). In my CF-19 I tested a $6 adapter board that pops in the pci slot and gives usb and sata output. Works like a charm. If I turn off the pic slot in bios, my USB linux boot drive disappears.... (although I still can't get it to actually BOOT off that drive, grrrr)

I already own several other GPS choices, none of them are perfect, but they "may" get the job done.

I really need to mod/add a USB hub inside there...

Normal, I have never been called that before!

More awesome reading!!! Okay chances are 32 bit wins, unless that is the only way to get 8gig. I really need/want to get the memory bumped up hard on one of my Toughbooks. I really want to be able to run Photoshop on one of these babies. But....

....it makes little sense to me to have a touchscreen on a non-tablet format PC. I almost never use the Touchscreen on my CF-19, and NEVER use the touchscreen on my CF-T7. I have actually configured most of my past Toughbooks specifically NOT to have touchscreens.

This translates to putting the "super memory" into whatever one I decide is either the easiest to do, or most likely to be used as a backup media computer to my Macbook.

I have crashed my old Toshiba running 8gig, more than once. Hence I went to the darkside and started using Macs for my media work.

Mmmm okay good to know. I will keep an eye out on this one. Does the emissive keyboard work during bootup and in bios settings? If so, I am likely playing with that very very first.

SOP is to boot any new laptop up on a linux USB drive first thing to check out as much as possible. And use it right out of the box. Since the Windows install will likely be somewhat annoying....

I think the hardest part of any build, is getting so excited about the new toy and having the tendency to go overboard. I am not sure how I will like the CF-30 in comparison to my CF-19. So the priority is getting it operational and upgraded as far as I can with what I have on hand, then see how I end up using it. The lack of a backlighted keyboard on my CF-19, and the cost of getting one, has been a big disappointment.

There is a CF-19 i5 I could have grabbed that was in my budget. Missing HDD, caddy, battery, charger, and with a super crappy case. All the parts from my old CF-19 that would have made it a good one, but it had no emissive. Being able to get something online with a backlighted keyboard, for under $150, was a super win!

 

Yes it does, once the screen comes on the keyboard lights up.

 

Check this out... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-C...542?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f49679bee

 

HAHAHAHA That is the seller I bought my keyboard from! Okay good to know on the lighting bit. I will tackle that mod before I even put an OS onto it! Unless the laptop arrives first...

 

You can't beat that price. To find a emissive keyboard for under $25.00 . I bought 2 a little while ago for spares.

 

Yeppers it is!!!! It look like it is sitting in my mailbox now!

Hey, back to the whole 64 bit thing.... Is there any reason why NOT to build a 64 bit machine? I have either version, so cost isn't a concern. Does it limit me in software choices, or will non comparable simply run in 32 mode?

 

First reason Panasonic has ALL of the 32 bit drivers ready to go in one nice package. Second. Unless you have 8gb ram or more 64 bit offers zero improvement over 32bit..Why all the hassle to hack 64bit for zero improvement?

 

Yes it does. Not all programs will run on 64bit . I had to get another printer because my Kodak printer will not work with 64bit...no drivers.

Shawn...I just checked the Panasonic's "Driver Bundles" and they do have W7 64bit bundles now for the CF-30 MK3...I know at one time they didn't.

 

CRUD

 

Never would . They must of added that sometime. I know the last time I checked it wasn't there but that was a while ago.

 

No problems....I know you wouldn't try to make a fool of me...
It just seemed like funny pic to say "Oh Crap,,I was wrong"

 

i recently was faced with the same dilemma ...
i acquired an epson photo printer , no drivers beyond vista/32 bit .
sooo ... i (re)built a vista machine to run the printer .
whereas my '30 with vista 32 bit , was just fine ... except that it is not always in the house .

there is *something* about MS Office that basically says that there may be compatibility problems if one installs the 64 bit flavor .
as i recall , the 32 bit files are "converted" so they will run on the 64 bit version and this procedure is a one-way street .

 

When I installed Office 2010 on my CF-53 with 64 bit Win 7 Microsoft stated that I should not install Office 64 bit unless I had a really good reason. 32 bit Office is running fine on the 53. When M$ tells you that their stuff doesn't play well together you should probably listen.
CAP

 

Lolz I love Mayhem! He is my hero! Anyways... Yes so speaking of mayhem, my boss pissed off one of my fellow wrench slingers. Badly enough that "Slinger" decided to sling his laptop across the shop instead of a wrench. Why tell? Because I pillaged the broken machine for a nice shiny new 320gb drive and some memory, FREEE!!!! I likes free! Damn, I should have grabbed the COA...

The CF-30 came today and WOW just WOW! 160gb HDD (caddy included), measly 2gig memory, but only one slot filled and nothing to speak of in the way (some black bracket and a heat shield, easy peasy), and get this... A DVD RW OPTICAL DRIVE! Oh it gets better. The laptop can pass for BRAND new from 3-4' away. Up close you can find some scratches on the bottom, a foot missing, and a damaged battery door. Easily a B+ machine. $14 and I have a new door and feet on their way.

I don't think I will bother painting this one, too clean. Maybe I will dip it, then I can just pressure wash it off later...

Got the new keyboard too. So got that in, bumped up the memory to an astounding 4gig, and well turned it on and off a bunch of times....

32 vs 64... I may just go the lazy route and just slip a clone of my CF-19 or CF-T7 in there to start with. They are both on 32bit. And ATM I do not (think I) have a physical windows DVD installer disc. Digital copies... And I only have a Mac present to burn DVDs. That would likely be a fail attempt.

So it will likely be a dirty install, then go do some cleaning. Digging through my CF-T7 Windows 7 thread. That was a messy install, but it has been running perfectly ever since. Never a single hiccup. But, the CF-19 has software on it that I need and is a nightmare to install. Unfortunately it is not as "clean" as the T7 is....

It is time to go play musical hard drives. My data/backup HDD is the smallest one. It will go into the barely used T7. I could probably size down my CF-19 with the drive currently in the CF-30. ........wanders off into shop mumbling about drive sizes and cloned sheep.....

 

it won't work on a machine with a motherboard other than the original one it was installed with .
this is the way the comps one buys off the shelf work .
there is a version of windows (retail) that is transferable between different machines ... one-at-a-time .

ps ... i have known people like "slinger" .
i just missed catching a 3/4" combo wrench with my cranium .
the guy was fired about 15 seconds later .
nosir ... those type of people are not safe to be around nor pleasant to work with .

 

I worked with one for 3years....Very...Bi Polar... is the best description..I never knew WHO I was going to be working beside.....Flying objects were commonplace. As was me ducking.. Very awful 3 years for me..."Slinger" and I were the only people in the shop.....I felt very alone and in immediate danger always...
Destroyed objects I recall...Milwaukee battery drill/driver, RotoZip rotary tool, Tape gun, ..Tape gun missed me by inches..I was told about entire desktop PC....Did not witness that outburst....
Boss was afraid of Slinger, so he stayed until he retired......

 

My Slinger is an awesome tech. For some reason, only the boss sets him off (20yrs of practice). He doesn't give me any cause for concern. But defiantly lacks in impulse control.... One day our service manager tells everyone to grab a trashcan and toss it. We were cleaning so his intent to throw them out was understood. Slinger grabs the can and literally tossed it, all over the side of the shop that had just been cleaned. Service manager is like "That just happened!!!". It was very funny but taken out of the context of our shop, would probably be concerning.... He did go clean it up (everyone else was laughing to hard to help) and entertainment supplied was worth it.

Well I was going to slip the drive from Slinger's laptop into the CF-30 and roll for amusement. As for the whole COA bit, it is already loaded up so if it works, it is a freebie... Wow, I need a manual just to figure out how to unpackage the CF-30 drive!!! No wonder most sellers yank the whole caddy.... I "WANT" a 320gb drive in there. Might as well be that one, but we will see how motivated I am...

Edit for video!!!



She made it clear and simple, and fast. Lets go try this out! Okay well Slinger was running Windows Vista. I got it to boot up in the CF-30, but need to deal with the windows password. Either I take it to work tomorrow and ask him to put it in... Then make a new account, and dump the old. Or I break in. Leaning towards breaking in, as I do not want to invest a whole lot of effort on Vista. Anyways this could trespass into areas I shouldn't know anything about, let alone discuss here. So off I go to figure out a way to clean/break/access some sort of OS for the CF-30. I wonder if windows "password reset" actually works????

 

the windows password reset (as found in windows) does work ... but it erases all data of the now defunct account .
and yep , there is *another* way to accomplish this task , however , it is beyond the purview of these forums .

after you inserted the new drive it most likely took some time for the machine to boot up ...
vista recognized it was in a new "environment" and had to set things up between itself , the bios , firmware and peripherals .

the seeming acceptance of the COA/key will most likely rear it's head after running for some time .
a copy of vista or W7 is pretty cheap these days ...
especially the .iso download type ... just burn to disk and bob's yer uncle .

i would try to avoid talking to slinger about anything to do with his ex-laptop .
he may start getting paranoid ... not a good thing .

 

Guys.....Just a caution note....tread very lightly on the P***word thingys here...Thread will get edited and or locked..

I agree with Larry, best to avoid Slinger...Paranoia or wanting something for HIS drive etc....It won't end well....

Partition, Format, Download the 32bit technical preview of Windows 10 for FREE and give it a test drive....You'll like it.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso

Thanks for posting the Bob Johnston video. Nice guy with great videos...

 

He knew I had the old HDD and in fact had watched with amusement as I tore into the broken laptop for parts. He even told me I had missed the power adapter he had also thrown out.

I spent some time trying to break in, more to learn than for any other reason. But that experiment didn't find me the software I have used in the past. And in the spirit of "doing the right thing" I didn't follow the other advice. Yesterday morning I simply took it with me to work and booted it up. Slinger thought it was funny! I offered to harvest any data off it he might need, twice. He declined. He was mildly concerned about me leaving his old data sitting around and asked a couple questions. We talked about how deleting actually worked, and I also promised to run a free space wipe or to format after I finished.

He happily put in his password, I fired up user accounts, made new one (again needing him to put it in). Since I didn't have any real windows tools on hand (or time) I left it sitting on top of my toolbox and started deleting all the old excess bloatware. Somewhere in this process I deleted the wrong program and reboots just caused blue screens.

I am not worried about him "wanting something" for it. He isn't that way. In fact today he brought me in a PILE of HID light setups. I think there are 6-7 complete sets. Wouldn't let me pay him anything for them.

I really like his videos! Funny how Bob looks like a lady... But yeah many times in the past those videos have been helpful in figuring out how to attack something on a Toughbook!!!

I started downloading W10 last night! Thanks for the link!

Okay, okay I know this dead horse is well beaten... but... So I wiped, formatted, and burned ISO of W7 and threw it in last night. This morning finds me with W7 fairly happily installed. 5 minutes later drivers extracted and all "almost" working.

Did I do something wrong?! I have NEVER EVER had a Toughbook driver install go that easily, or quickly!!! I do have one "unknown device" slot in manager. I didn't have adobe reader installed (this was on work network) so I couldn't open the instructions until after....

But dead horse.... Will running 64 bit let me see my whole 4gb of memory? Windows is only seeing 3gb... I thought this machine wouldn't give me that headache.... I really want to see everything I am putting into it.

For that matter is it a 32 bit vs 64 bit thing? IE should I DL the 64bit W10? (Or install as I think I grabbed both...)

 

And a quick question about "tools" and one in specific I have used to great success before, and find myself missing....

In the past I used some sort of windows modding, boot screen and more program. IIRC it would allow renaming of users, fixing their home folders, boot screen logos, and what I am after, manufacturer logos. When you go to computer/properties screen, it allowed changing the logos. One of the options was Panasonic.

I am not sure if I have used this since XP, maybe Vista though...

I can't for the life of me remember the program name... Does this ring any bells? Any SAFE programs out there like this you guys would recommend?

 

Yes 64bit will allow you to use all 4gb, BUT it will probably run slower because 64bit does not really work well until above 6gb. 64bit is not worth all the driver hassles, especially when it won't give any performance increase.


Try these, it will change Windows boot screens..not any BIOS screens

This is what I use
Win7LogonBackgroundChanger ..... http://www.julien-manici.com/windows_7_logon_background_changer/

or

ULTIMATE WINDOWS CUSTOMIZER... http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultimate-windows-customizer

or

Windows 7 Boot Updater...http://www.coderforlife.com/projects/win7boot/#Download

 

THANK YOU SHAWN!!! Finally an explanation that is clear and concise! Well I have plenty of drives kicking around, so I will hunt down a couple 4gb memory sticks (if I can score cheap enough), then play with 64bit.

As for BIOS screens, that would be dangerous to mess with. I will grab those programs, add to my "Toolkit", and give them a try.

ATM, I still need to do some digging and figure out what my "unknown" is, and ponder why it has been too easy up to this point....

 

try this....... http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/unknown_devices.html

 

That last one worked pretty well! Still had to hit the "search the web" button, but yeah.

1) Panasonic Hotkey Driver
2) Panasonic Misc Driver

Of COURSE they are.... I would have thought Panasonic's Automated Driver Package dealy would have installed these. Seems not to be the case. But there were some "optional items" with ### or something in front of them according to the help PDF.

I also noticed many of the drivers on this are still the generic Windows ones. Sooo seems I need to read that doc up a bit more to get this there. But hey, using it on the internet now at least! And this chicklet keyboard feel very much like my mac one. I am loving it!

The rest of those tools I have already added to my EDC Toolkit!

 

Okay going through the Install Document and installing drivers one at a time... Not sure what drivers one click setup installed, but it definatly wasn't enough. but so far this is at least clear and in order. A question though;

Step 8 GPS: At this time no GPS is installed. I doubt I will ever install the OE Panny GPS. I will install GPS shorly though. Should I go through this step now? Later when I install a GPS? Or never since using differant GPS?

I think this is a good stopping point for tonight!

 

If you don't have it..you don't need it. My feelings anyways

 

Don't bother with GPS drivers at this time. Especially since you don't have GPS..

I too have experienced "issues" using the One Click bundles. Mainly not all of the drivers being installed. I have tried as administrator and that did not help. I had to install them manually...recently One Click would not install Hot Key drivers on a CF52...I had to download the Hot key packages separately to get them to install.

 

Yeah seems I did not install as an administrator. But I wanted the Panasonic support programs and "environment" too, so just going through and doing it manually per the doc. Almost done. Probably would be if I hadn't left it sitting on my toolbox at work... I think I am headed to go pick it up, need some tools anyways.

Okay so step 8 for the GPS, is a registry edit thing and not for drivers. But even if I wanted to follow it, there was nothing in BIOS for the GPS setting I am supposed to turn off. BIOS usually isn't that smart, IE making an option disappear. So seems like I would need to start with finding the right BIOS. This is a path I think I need to go down, even though not doing it immediately.

Unfortunately, this guy doesn't have WWAN. I don't want it, but it seems I need the "sled" to install a WWAN card with GPS. Also my mods in the CF-19 required using the WWAN slot to get USB and SATA. I need to study up a bit more on this.

And I think I am going to actually pay for a TechTough setup. I have one of their bump outs on my CF-19 and I love the quality. I like the way their GPS bump looks better than the OE stuff for the CF-30. And the GPS card is a ublox.

 

So the look of the OE GPS setup grew on me. And the theoretical simplicity of the install. And cost couldn't be beaten, so I now have one of those in here! The install was easy, except for sorting the flat cable routing. Once I figured out that it tucked UNDERNEATH the side bar, I was good.

Software and drivers I don't think are installed correctly for it yet... I do not see anything for it in Device Manager. I will have to attack that again. I found where it was hidden in BIOS too, not sure if I looked there before (it is under com port settings).

Question for anyone out there with one of these CF-30 on W7. Should function and the hotkeys above, put a reference on the screen? IE FN+F9 bring up a battery percentage? Or volume, brightness, etc.?

I suspect something just went sideways in the carefully followed install directions.... I just verified that these all work in W7 on the CF-19. I need to try and dig back through the steps taken in that thread. I had issues though so it doesn't look easy to follow....

Not sure when I lost sound, but that is no longer working. For a moment I though it broke after putting the GPS in, then realized I didn't hear it earlier today either. I fought with this on the CF-19 and or CF-T7 also.

Question, does the antenna in the upper left corner of the screen actually do anything (it is normal wireless AFAIK) and make a difference???

 

if it is a rod antenna about 3.5 inches long ... it is the WWAN antenna .
this is used for (basically) connecting to a cell-carrier service (think verizon) .

 

Thanks! I'll make sure to tell Bob you like the videos. He DOES look like a lady, doesn't he?

(That's Marisa in those videos. She's the real talent.)

 

Cue Aerosmith "Dude looks like a lady"...

 

The comma between those would lead me to believe that at one time, this included the WWAN sled?

I seem to remember that in my CF-73 (or was it a 74? lol...) this was hooked up to my normal wireless card. heck, same in my CF-27. It looked cool, but popping the antenna up never seemed to help any. I did think the wireless range sucked too.......

So except for looking cool, not much I can really do with this? I am not sure there is any WWAN service that would really make my life better, or be worth paying for.

One Touch Wonder Bundle is downloaded. Seems Panasonic's website is sucking badly right now though. I am off to try again installing that, this time as administrator, and see if that actually fixes anything. I also need to get my GPS drivers/software sorted and verified working.

 

And success, I think! I hate to claim outright success cause well it is a computer.... But I ran the driver bundle again as an admin, rebooted, and everything seems proper Panasonic. I have the hotkey notifications showing up, sound working, and all drivers look "Panny" in Device Manager.

Now to tackle GPS and get that working! Or doing something productive so I can check it...

For the antenna, I am going to attach a pen clicker and explosives.... Q would be proud of this laptop!!!

 

Well I am stuck at the most basic of problems... I seem to remember making this mistake before too... My windows key is getting kicked for being wrong for the OS.

It is valid for the OS, if I hadn't updated it and in the process updated to service pack one... So now I have to either start all over, or call Microsoft up and jump through their hoops.

Sure there are "other methods" and with a legitimate W7 code and install, I would almost be tempted to use them. But W7 is not like XP or Vista. Using "tools" to retrieve you own passwords, or misplaced product keys is one thing.

But using a keygenerator to activate W7 is not only wrong, there are none that do so without breaking windows. They replace files, disable WGA, make the OS unstable, and put your data at imminent risk.

Normally I wouldn't post up such thoughts. But there is a moral here I wanted to tell. Keep your windows install SAFE and just don't do it. If you refuse to pay for it, or do not have legitimate product keys, there are free installs of Linux that run pretty well on these.

On the flipside of this, I do wish Microsoft would follow in Apple's footsteps even a little bit. They could make buying keys reasonable. Since Apple makes their own hardware and that is where their revenue is, I like their new business model of making new OS upgrades free.

Microsoft is structured differently and it is acceptable they should charge, but I think they could make it much more affordable. I mean if it were say $30 for a legitimate key, who would bother to hack it???

Oh and when you have a legitimate key, activate BEFORE you update....

 

The key should be good for any upgrade to the base OS (Win7). I would definitely call MS and they should have no problems getting your validation going.

 

"The key should be good for any upgrade to the base OS (Win7)"
if you mean using a copy of the specific OS (XP , Vista , W7 , etc) and the specific version (say Vista business or XP home) as it was originally installed on a specific machine using the key "belonging" to that machine ...
then yes , it should work .
anything other than this , with the exception of buying a new key for the specific *flavor* of an OS , will result in the authorization/activation being given the boot .

i seem to recall that *somewhere* there was a soft fix for the problem of an update breaking the activation .
this was/is from MS ... and it worked on a machine that got messed up (baaaad virus and malware infections) .

oh yeah ...
i have tried calling MS to get the correct key to work on a machine or activate it .
only once has this worked , as in actually talking to someone .
the next/other four times i gave up after being put on hold for about 30 minutes or being transferred into oblivion .
i now tell a customer or friend to purchase a new copy from a down-loadable source (such as discountmountain software , not hawking a specific outfit) .
for about 70 bucks yer good to go .

 

The OEM key /install is different from retail key / install or the basic download from Microsoft iso install.
That's where the issues come from usually. It will reinstall and activate if you use a OEM install iso..

 

I thought I had used an OEM .iso... Seems that is missplaced. I haven't had time to get back to it. First attempt will be calling Microsoft. That is still less time than a reinstall. Otherwise I may yank my CF-T7 drive and redo drivers. Tempted to throw W10 in that anyways as otherwise I am bored with it.

 

Okay activation all sorted. Machine is running good, sometimes.

It is very odd. Some days I am getting the keyboard crapped on. Hitting keys doesn't work like it isn't registering the strokes, bad keyboard or loose cable syndrome. I had this issue not even two days ago. So badly, I couldn't do ANYTHING. Today? It is fine. Like nothing happened. So seems it is software related. I have run recovery a couple times past day or so.

Now the other weird bit is my CF-19 was doing the EXACT same thing on the same day (can't say if it is acting up now or not as on the CF-30). Well whatever if that problem comes back, I will tackle it again then.

 

"Now the other weird bit is my CF-19 was doing the EXACT same thing on the same day ..."

yessir ... it's time to break out the tinfoil hat or a stainless steel colander .

 

Like this?

 

hahahahahaaaa !

the gist of this topic/thread reminded me of this :