OK I have a TB!!! I was even happier that the picture shown on ebay was in fact a stock picture and mine is in even better condition so I am as happy as a dog with two bones! Everything looks crisp and clean, the keyboard looks new as does the touchpad/buttons, the casing has only very very minor marks, screen 100% perfect, the only things missing are the OE stylus (already bought) and a rubber cover for the AC plug, I assume I can buy that?
The OS is Vista 'Business SP2' not that it means much to me being an 'XP pro' user, is this ok? I will upgrade if need be after I have used it for awhile and can confirm all is ok, I am not impressed by the OS taking up 30gb of the 80gb hard drive so there could be 'stuff' that needs to be got rid of or is that the norm? I have not loaded anything on there yet!
There is handwriting recognition software which appears to be part of the 'tablet' setting and appears to work OK, I need to do some 'personalisation' so the machine can recognise my handwriting, some hope, I can't read it myself.
OK to the upgrades, I suppose I should start with getting a 2gb stick of memory? Any particular type better than another for the TB?
Next question, those bloody WINGS, I think they look horrible, I understand they are something to do with the wifi or GPS antenna for the US market? Can they be swapped out for the less obtrusive ones found on the euro models?
Next a query about power, the battery fitted is marked as 'output' 10.65 volts/5.7 ah and yet the charger is marked as 16volt 4.5 amp, can I assume that is the norm?
I also need to plug a SIM in there and GPS hardware 'somewhere' for internet and maps ect?
Any tried and trusted screen protectors out there?
Sorry for so many questions but I mean what else would you be doing if you were not on the forum helping me and other less edjumicated souls...............um, don't answer that.![]()
Many thanks all, lets the games begin!
Tranquillo
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First
Mark down the amount of space available
Second
Right click on computer properties, disk clean up, and then click on more options then go down to System Restore and System Shadow copies, then click clean up
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Go to recycle bin properties
Reduce the size allowed for files (I keep mine at 500mb max)
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Thanks for that db04p71
OK I am now on the look out for some screen sides without wings (what do I call them when searching?), the charger is correct and the sim slot was where you said it would be, I have an excuse for not seeing it, there was an AT&T sim already in there left from the previous owner!
Where I live there is no hardwired internet access yet (mountain home) but I do have one of the pen drive modems, this normally gives me 3.5G with a connection of 3.6Mbps which is ok....ish however, when using the sim in the port at the back of the TB I can only get GPRS at about 72kbs so it is woefully slow in fact I would say unusable, the modem is seen as HSDPA, anything I can do to increase speed guys?
Alex thank you also for your advice. OK I will stick with Vista for now but would be looking to upgrade to win 7 if that seems a sensible move? Whatever I do I need to get a fresh copy of an OS (Vista or Win 7) and of course any drivers needed, I can rebuild at my leisure if need be. I carried out the maintenance as per your advice, disc size is reported as 75gb and not 80gb? Now Vista and installed programs (I have loaded Office 2003 business edition) use 20gb so 55gb spare!
Thanks for that all, any particular memory I should install, I am looking for a 2gb stick?
Many thanks again,
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toughasnails Toughbook Moderator Moderator
This is the only ones I could find NEW Screen Side Cover / Antenna Cover for Toughbook CF-19 MK1 & MK2 | eBay
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You freed up over 10GB ,that was what I was expecting
Do what I suggested every couple of months to keep the size under control
Memory upgrades
PC-5300 DDR2 667MHz SO-DIMM 200 Pin MEMORY SODIMM is your best choice
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Thanks Toughasnails and Alex, you have both been very helpful.
Tranquillo -
OK whilst starting to get to grips with my new toy I need to sort some software issues. If this is not the right place then please advise and I will ask for it to be moved. With my previous 'ordinary' laptop (XP Pro) I used activesync to keep files and OUTLOOK in order with my elderly TYTN mobile, it worked PERFECT! I know this is a brick but after being dropped, trod on and bounced about on more engines than I care to mention it works real good so I want to keep it and in fact have replaced it with the same model as the wear and tear was showing quite badly. So to the problem, my TB OS is Vista business which does not allow activsync 4.5 to be loaded as it has it's own sync software however, despite the phone being 'seen' by the OS I have no option to sync Outlook, I use the calender, tasks and contacts so need it to keep my life in order. Any ideas?
Also it seems I have the wrong modem hence the slow connection speed, thanks to those who PM'd me the reasons, I am now looking for a european EU 870 modem.
Many thanks
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Look at
http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...246121-help-old-software-uses-activesync.html
http://forum.notebookreview.com/win...-better-than-active-sync-download-update.html
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Thanks Alex, I will have a look later on,
Thanks again
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OK so I jumped the gun a bit, it seems the mobile software loaded by Panasonic or whoever is out of date. Now I have managed to sync using the windows 6.1 mobile device center. It is important to have the 6.1 download or older mobile devices (like mine) will not work.
Hope that helps someone else in the future.
Tranquillo -
Having now used the new toy for awhile I have one or two questions, first every now and then I get the following message:
'NVTL Phoenix MFC app has stopped working' then there is the usual windows will try to repair ect. There does not seem to be anything unusual about the way the TB is working, I tried searching but nothing matching so clearly nothing serious? Next up is explorer has closed for no apparent reason, the tab is always reopened and the TB continues as norm? Finally, the row of buttons at the front of the TB, the brightness 'up/down works fine, the keyboard/bullseye and lid flip when pressed all seem to get a response from the HDD light but nothing happens, the 'key' button brings up the task manager/lock menu ect, any ideas?
FWIW I have checked the device manager and there is no exclamation marks so all seems ok there, very often during the explorer issue (and for the first ten minutes of booting up) the HDD light is on solid as though the HD is working it's butt off? Machine boots/shuts down with no error messages ect. The machine came loaded with MS security essentials, perhaps it is running scans in the background? Unsure if that is the norm with Vista, perhaps I should bring forward my planned SSD and WIN 7?
EDIT: Have started a new thread titled 'NVTL', this might harvest a result or two, as it does not appear to be a common problem.
Many thanks
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As I recall, this is "NOVATEL Phoenix MultiFunction Controller App"; a part of the NOVATEL WWAN client. I believe it serves to switch automatically between your broadband connection and any WiFi connection which may be available. If you are managing your WiFi connectivity manually, I'm not certain you'd ever notice anything functionally different.
mnem
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Ummmm what kind of pills are you taking for that ankle?
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OK so an update, as per the forum advice I have upgraded the memory to 4Gb from the original 1Gb, I was advised I will not be able to use all of the 4Gb but I could not put 2Gb in one slot and a 1Gb in the other, if you are a Virgo you will understand.
Those of you following this thread will recall my TB would stall and the hard drive light would just stay on as the drive grinded away for ages, well that has now stopped doing this since the memory upgrade, so well done there guys and girls.
Next I have purchased a bootable DVD drive so adding software should be a cinch.
I have also purchased and installed the EU807 modem but this did not help with my slow internet connection which remains a thorn in my side. To this end I have gone for screen dumps so the more savvy people on here can perhaps help me out?
1 Is the internet dongle plugged in and the software loaded but I have not connected to the internet 3G is clearly available.
2 Shows the connection made (3G) and this becomes 3.5G once I select connect, this is quite fast and I often see 2,000 plus kbits/s and is acceptable for my chosen location.
3 If I remove the dongle, then transfer it to the SIM slot in the rear of the TB I then get the message you see, I select OK and then the ability to connect is shown.
4 As you can see only GPRS is available, this remains even when I connect.
5 Showing the connection made and GPRS remains the same.
6 Shows my device manager and no nasty yellow exclamation marks and I did try to update the drivers but was told by windows I have the best ones already installed.
Sooooooo whats going on? I had thought that perhaps the dongle had some special hardware inside but not knowing enough leaves me a little lost, G3 is G3 right .or is it?
Next I need to decide which hard drive to choose, 7200 rpm conventional or an SSD? I like the idea of defragging ect which IIRC cannot be done with an SSD, defrag is good for Virgos remember? As the primary use of the TB is for OBD diagnostics on vehicles I have to use whatever suits that, I do however like to watch the odd film or two and since the RAM upgrade I can without the machine faltering so SSD or spinney thing? I will not need a huge capacity perhaps 100Gb?
Next I want a legal copy of WIN 7 but unsure how to ensure that is what I will be getting from eBay. Next a good GPS unit and finally the wings have to go ****Now have new wings on the way!**** so can the forum massive come up with any ideas on any of the above? I have kept everything together hoping it will help someone who is in a similar position with a similar machine, if the mods feel the thread should be broken down please let me know or hack at it as you see fit.
Many thanks
Tranquillo
PS aaaarghhh now the manage attachments will not work? I get the attachment window up when I click browse to find a file the window flickers and does nothing else, any ideas so I can complete this post?
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interestingfellow Notebook Deity
Nope, 3g is not 3g.
There is wcdma, uspda, hsupda, and several other types of 3g.
Who is your provider?
What modem is eu807? what frequencies does it us? what protocalls does it support?
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What a great forum, replies in minutes! I just took the modem cover off and the details are as follows:
WWAN
FCCID
NBZNRM-EU870D
KOREA
Thats it I'm afraid, at least that clears that up, I thought 3G was..........well.......3G!
My provider is Moviestar in Spain so I assume I need to contact them and ask them what protocols they use right? Thanks for the quick reply interestingfellow.
EDIT: Just looked in device manager and found:
HD AUDIO soft data fax modem with smartCP
Novatel wireless expedite HSDPA Modem #7
If I switch off the wireless connection both of those lines disappear and just leave my dongle modem and a line stating:
Standard modem 33600bps
BTW I have tried to upload images but no go?
Tranquillo -
Doing some research although a little hard when you don't really understand what your looking for
however, it seems I can get a moden with a GPS connection? So can I assume that I bin this modem and simply find one that suits my provider AND has the ability to work with mapping software.
Now there seems to be some other confusion as well, it seems there is SIM assisted GPS and then there is a standalone GPS that works when out of range of my network provider?Help me out here guys and girls, I want the most flexible TB I can get and I do not mind droping some coin as long as it works.
Will this do the job?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sierra-Go...250925746432?pt=AU_Modems&hash=item3a6c570900
Many thanks all
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Could your com ports be arguing?(fighting for resources)
[Go advanced]
Check the file type is one of those shown.
This doesn't sound like your problem though with the flickering bit. Do you have a magic helpful security box checked. (facetious)
[User cp] check your preferences. If it's not here than dial back your security a bit.
That's all I can think of right now.
Edit: reference Gobi. In my very limited understanding the modem gps uses cell sites to triangulate your location. Or something like that. I'm sure someone will tell me if I'm wrong. (Please) -
Have you downloaded and installed Novatel's "Mobilink" software?
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Right I think you were very close sadlmkr, I checked the Internet options and the security was at the default level, I clicked 'reset' and although the security level did not change I am now allowed to upload images.
Of course being pasted on to 'word' now makes them to big so I need to fiddle with them later. Thanks for the advice
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Hmmm, I will have to look in the control panel ect for that. Sorting windows can be easy but modems and stuff like that can be a pain, I will look into it, thank you for the advice, er....'apn'?
Tranquillo -
Or something like thatmemory's not what it was.
I do remember I had to try different versions of Mobilink before I found one that would work with W7 - from an Australian source I think.
Soon as it's done I forget it and on to the next problem
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interestingfellow Notebook Deity
good luck talking with your cell provider! I recomend google before you call them for help. Most of the time, when I talk to customer care, I know far more about what I'm asking of them than they do.
From what I could find quickly, Movistar uses 850, 900, 1800, and 1900.
If you look at the "frequency" for this movistar phone, you will see UMTS 850/1900/2100. This is the "3g" that movistar uses.
I still don't know what modem you are using (or what frequencies it uses)(sorry).
You will need to make sure that it is configured correctly; sometimes these type modems can be quite finicky.
An (other) example of an APN would be ecp.tmobile.com This is the onefor T-mobile US 3G/4G; an APN is the server that your modem tries to talk to FIRST,and routs all communication through. If this setting is incorrect, then the wwan will not work.
GPS is from satellites in the sky in geosynchronous orbit.
AGPS is positioning that is triangulated from cell towers.
They are very different from each other. For simplicity, just go for plain ol' GPS. GPS will work anywhere in the world (AGPS will not work if there are no appropriate cell towers around)
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I'm using OpenOffice for documents which can deal with just about any type of file. Recommend you save as a less resource hungry format. .txt??
Good luck,
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OK I do have the 'Mobilink' software installed. With the SIM in the TB and the Mobilink activated, the results are exactly the same, GPRS.
I also tried the manual network selection and notice that I have three networks in range,
Moviestar which is my network provider
Orange.es
Vodafone.es
the point is they ALL show being available GPRS, not a '3' in sight?
So thats what I have so far, thanks for chipping in keep coming with any ideas.
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(Tranquillo climbs down from soap box and draws a deep breath),
I like the idea of open office but need it to be able to sync with my HTC windows phone and it seems it cannot do that? Alex found me a link that allowed this Vista crap to talk to my phone so at the moment I am happy with MS office for the moment. When my TB gets transformed within the next few weeks I wanted all new software and WIN7 and open office was on the menu but only if it can sync with my mobile, and of course I am looking at WIN 8 being advertised on the TV this morning and thinking....hmmmm, who the hell said I might TB fever? Damn Damn Damn
Many thanks
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Sooo you mention the 881 modem and a GPS built in now that sounds great! Can I assume this will bolt straight in and deal with 3G 3.5G hgftr nndndhh duhikf dhff and fangle doofer as well?
OK done some more research and found a PC card 881 that has the modem and GPS but it seems in use it will be sticking outside of the toughbook? The TB is going to be used in harsh envionments and having a port door open to let in dust ect is not good, I have been unable to source a modem with the GPS built in that can be internal and be fitted under the metal cover underneath the TB, any ideas?
I'm losing it now, more toughbook fever coming up
Thank you
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Just to help you to help me, I need my TB to be able to:
Connect to the internet with built in modem, does it now but oh so slooooow!
Connect to satellites with internal GPS for route mapping when off roading, I do not mind fitting an external ariel but need to be able to 'walk out' in the event of a vehicle failure.
I will also be using TB for OBD diagnostics on vehicles but that is pretty easy
I watch the odd film again easy stuff.
Will be installing new fresh WIN 7 OS, memory already upgraded to 4Gb
Still need thought on hard drive decision spinney spinney or SSD, probably only need about 80gb if that?
So throw some ideas at me guys and girls
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toughasnails Toughbook Moderator Moderator
Well in the last 6 months I replaced my OEM drives with Intel 320 SSD...CF-19MK2 120GB, Cf-52 MK1 120GB and CF-52 MK2 160GB and they are fast. Once you have one you will never go back to the standard drive
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Thanks for your input
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This is a long thread and I don't have the time to reread it all, sorry. Did you remove a different internal WWAN modem? If that was EVDO instead of HSDPA then the dip switches may be set wrong.
On the board into which the modem inserts, next to the 2 aerial plugs there's a block of 4 dip switches marked 1234. "ON" is UP. My Novatel EU740 in my CF-19 Mk. 1 needs those switches set to ON OFF OFF ON. EVDO settings are different.
I don't know if wrong settings can allow GPRS and not HSDPA but those are the settings that work for me.
If there was a previous modem was it fried, was it EVDO or were you just upgrading? HSDPA on your new modem could be faulty but I don't know how to test that except by substitution in another laptop. Reinserting the modem in the mini pci-e socket multiple times may scratch-clean the contacts - always worth trying. Power disconnected of course...
If there wasn't a previous modem the aerial lead may have been "stored" on one of those 2 aerial plugs on the board into which the modem inserts. Aerial lead needs to be attached to the plug on the modem itself.
"three" is the apn for the "3" network in the UK.
If you haven't yet you need to set up Movistar's apn in the Mobilink connection manager so it will connect to the Movistar network.
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toughasnails Toughbook Moderator Moderator
Check out this link Forums . These guys know SSD inside and out. Tell Les Blair sent you
. I paid between $75.00 - $140.00 for my Intel 320's SSD
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Anyway to answer your post, the previous modem (EU 860D) was already installed when I bought the TB from the states, there was even an old AT&T SIM in the TB as well! Because I brought up the poor performance on the forum it was suggested I swap to the EU 870 and try again as that should be more suited to the networks here in Spain. I purchased and installed this and the results are the same, TBH I did not notice any switches under the cover so I iwll power down and have a quick look. I have also tried different drivers and at one point ended up with a message telling me the SIM was in wrong! I will check out the switches and see what that brings me.
Thank you for your time
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OK unclemac I have found the following:
The connection is HSPDA
Assuming the hinge of the TB is up and reading from left to right I tried the following configurations, if nothing else it may help someone later?
1 off on on off connected OK GPRS and was able to use 'advanced' facility in Mobilink no sign of 3/3G/3.5G. The advanced facility also showed other networks available other than my Moviestar were Vodafone and Orange.
2 on off off on connected as GPRS but 'advanced' facility in Mobilink is greyed out so no other network choice.
3 on on on on brought up error messages about scripting ect
on on off off as 2
off off on on as 2
off off off on as 2
on on on off as 2
At no time did the connection speed exceed 53.6 kbps
Each setting was changed and the TB hard booted as I was unsure if the BIOS was affected by the switch position, I hope that helps someone?
That's enough for today....my head hurts!
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Need a magnifying glass to read it but the dip switch array on mine has lettering which shows which way is up - and "ON" position is also marked.
I'd go by that rather than by orientation but you seem to have tried all possibilities.
Aerial is under right side "wing" at top right of the screen. Connections (core and shield) are both soldered to tracks on the aerial board and there is NO slack wire on mine - wouldn't take much to break one of the connections so maybe worth the 2 minutes to check. Screw mounting point appears to earth to back of the board and shielding, mine was a little oxidised.
Don't know much about aerials, wild guessing tells me HSDPA might require a "better" one than GPRS but could be the opposite FAIK.
Mnementh would know.
Starting to wonder if Movistar's signal may be to blame - you've tried different locations and times?
Lots of moans about them and Telefonica on the expat forums (my sister lives in Spain). Satellite seems affordable there though.
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Look what I found. Copied from a post a while back. I remember it being reversed. 1234 instead of 4321.(or something
) Just look for the teensie numbers and the NO........(ON)
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Hi Jeff, yes I found that too when I was sorting my 19 and it made me check a few more times than I otherwise might have. This pcb doesn't have a cheat sheet printed on it but it definitely has the settings I posted, ie. ON OFF OFF ON and worked perfectly at HSPA speeds for the few months I used it.
I don't actually use internal WWAN any more because with multiple pc's the new MIFI devices make more sense. No more swapping the sim card around - what a pain that was.
Three network in the UK offers the Huawei E586 on the same terms as a normal dongle so I couldn't say no.
Internet on up to 5 devices simultaneously - it's a battery powered wireless router that's smaller than a mobile phone, rechargeable from mains, car or usb socket and faster than the standard 7.2 dongle.
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interestingfellow Notebook Deity
Yep.....I have no idea.
Also, Tranquillo: the 881 i was referring to is a usb modem. inside of it there is a PCI-E card (I forget the card part number). You can pull that card, cover pin 20, and use it.It has gps built in, but I don't know how well that would do burried in a TB magnesium case, or if it has it's own antenna, etc....
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Now I think that both Orange and Vodafove have the 3G facility and the options in Mobilink still only show GPRS for both of them as well, soooo not sure where to go from here. I will be meeting a mate today who has a TB and he may have some idea as he uses his all the time, he may have an idea about the modems. I meant to say the areil connections are clipped on the little modem board and not on the larger below the modem. I will pull the sides off soon as the 'wings' are going in the bin, I will check the ariel then, good luck with your GPS...you know I will be watching right?
Thanky you for your time again.
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many thanks
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I will wait awhile and see if the forum massive come forward with any more ideas, in the meantime I am going on to eblag for a 'proper' copy of WIN 7, just unsure how to confirm I am getting the genuine item?
Thanks for your input, I am taking it all on motherboard
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interestingfellow Notebook Deity
Tranquillo: inside the usb modem is a sierra wireless MC8784 PCI-e card. It can be removed from the usb part, and installed into a standard PCI-e slot in the toughbook. (I just wanted to make sure I was clear on what I was trying to say. I'm not implying that you should or should not do this, just that it's an option).
I have been around for a year or so, and been paying attention, but have yet to figure out:
WHat do the jumpers do, anyway? If it were a pcmcia card, you would pop it in, load the software and get 3g (or whatever speed it is). Why are there jumpers for the PCI-e card?
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FWIW I did meet up with my off roading friend and it turns out he has a CF-18 and NOT a 19, he has no SIM card slot and simply uses an external dongle as I presently do for Internet. He uses an external GPS unit buit a recent trip to Morocco found him with nothing working when he left spanish shores, this appears to be software related and not a problem with his TB, so that netted nothing.
Soooooo, I will keep hunting around to see what I can do, now I am off to the post office top pay the import duty and collect some new OBD software to play with.
Many thanks all, keep ther ideas coming.
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Tranquillo,
Here is a connection manager you might try. I fooled around with it a while back with the EU860D and it did work with an AT&T connection.
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Many thanks for the suggestion.
Tranquillo -
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