Razer Blade 14 5900HX

I reinstalled Windows again and that fixed it.

My issue now is the network adapter is not installed and thus I cannot find a WiFi network to connect to. I also cannot find the drivers for this machine anywhere so i can put them on a USB drive.... kind of a major issue.

 

Yes Razer quite lame uploading the drivers especially on new system, there’re three options, asking per support that might take time, use ethernet dongle to connect to Internet to install the driver through windows update or device manager auto update, and using other pc to download wifi card driver, maybe I can check which version is it later, I’m not with the blade atm.

 

Ok, yeah as long as I can get the network driver that is all I need. No other options right now.

 

Doesn't it use an Intel card? Just go to their support site and grab them on using another PC or USB ethernet adapter.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...i-fi-drivers-for-intel-wireless-adapters.html

 

Good idea, ty

 

I've heard this laptop can be completely silent when just doing simple tasks. So far I hear the fans at all times, despite disabling boost.

 

Hello everyone,
I just joined the fiesta in here as the RTX 3080 model just came in.

Compared to my 15,6" late 2019 with RTX 2080 I only see improvements (except for those temps! Ran a quick Fire Strike in boost mode and temps were around 90s on the CPU and those sad 16GB of RAM.. ..).

I will do some more tests and eventually repaste directly.

I have been spying this whole thread since the notebook was announced, but I probably lost something.

Can anyone point me to some good and compatible 3080 vBios's?

Thanks in advance!

 

@jlp0209 had found 100 watt 3080 that bumped the performance here. Graphics score TS 12K. This’s similar with 3070 in my experience using 95 watt performs way way better on gpu side.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/razer-blade-14-5900hx.836231/page-39#post-11107225
Yes on this form factor if cpu boost to 70ish watt you can’t avoid 90 degrees unless capping by 3rd party apps like ryzen controller etc, same ram as well the internal over 50% eat by that huge vapor chamber so can’t put slot ram even one like g14 or Triton se 300.

I never disable the boost, it’s mostly silent when doing nothing or simple tasks without nvidia but fans kicking when the temperature hitting 60 or 70 ish I think regardless boost on or off, funny thing using ryzen controller capping to 50ish profile it kicks as well, but on default without ryzen controller it is silent on that degrees, I’m starting to doubt ryzen controller.

 

Thanks a lot, will give it a try after work. @jlp0209 did you observe any side effect, other than the readings being wrong? Like ports not behaving as expected or so!

 

Go into Synapse and set the profile to "balanced." Then what I did was set the power slider to best battery setting (when you click on the battery icon on the taskbar).

Although the results are great I'd highly recommend against using the vbios that I linked (Acer) where I got over 12K Timespy graphics. Only one of the USB-C ports worked with an external monitor, which was fine. The major issue is that those vbios were most definitely higher than 100w. Using a Kill A Watt I was pulling at times 216 watts from the wall. When gaming and plugged in / on AC power the battery would also discharge, which means the laptop is pulling more power than can be given. Also got strange behavior very occasionally where GPU core would drop for a millisecond and cause large FPS drops.

The vbios I ended up using was a 105w Clevo 16gb 3080 vbios that worked well, accurate power readings, but one USB-C port wouldn't connect to external monitor. I linked it in my old posts. Sadly I think the best vbios in terms of stability are the stock Razer vbios. The extra 5 watts made no difference, maybe occasionally sustained higher core clocks.

 

Hi,

I did some tests on my 3070 razer blade 14. I figuered out that on battery, if you use MSI vBios and run time spy, it will shutdown after 35 sec. I guess it's some kind of heating problem with GPU. Ryzen Controller couldn't fix this problem for me. I switched back to Acer vBios. Here the system doesn't shutdown.

Can someone confirm the shutdown on MSI vBios?

 

If I recall those MSI vbios are not 100w and pull way more power than the laptop on battery power can handle, hence the shut down.

 

EC should downclock boost and power. Not shut it down on battery power.

 

On Clevo it doesn’t shut down as well, only on MSI bios, though it was not 35 seconds longer till graphics test 2, then shuts down. Yes maybe as papusan said EC detected something and shutting down for protection but I think it’s not the temperature as maybe you see there’s no thermal problems on OSD, only I noticed once HWinfo64 telling thermal throttling (HTC) and (pro hot CPU) yes with red values but on cpu thermal sensor it was 80ish (while gaming like 2 hours), maybe recheck that again with this msi vbios not so sure since it didn’t happen again after that.
I dont run however games on battery power, only browsing and papers job. So if you game on battery use non MSI vbios. Not too shabby result (balance mode, Clevo 105 watt vbios), even sometimes it’s for me struggling looking. Results is around gs65 80 watt 1070 maxq I believe.

 

Thank you All for confirmation. Usually I don't game while on battery Mode however sometimes I ubplug my razer and use it mobility and then if I'm in a game while I ubplug, I will play some Minutes on battery.

I will do some more long time tests with MSI vBios on battery and will Post my results later here.

I still have a question: which vBios provides more performance: Acer or Clevo?

 

They’re similar but it depends also on titles, maybe Acer a bit better boost, check the gpu frequency boost while gaming, i believe it’s right value both vbios, but Acer one read wrongly the gpu tgp wattage like MSI one. Clevo is similar with blade 15 advanced vbios 105 watt. Another downside from Acer though I think they don’t give you capability doing usb C display port to external.

 

Here is a video of the sound when just browsing. I can definitely hear some fan noise (not so loud but definitely noitceable and not silent). Razer Synapse is set to default and boost is disabled.

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=VHJHVGZKUTl0eUR2aEo3TXZWN0RRa2NIcUhTdE9B

This is actually while downloading Destiny 2 and the temps are sitting at 64C. I am not doing anything else but browsing.

 

I recall that the fans were running whenever I downloaded larger files, so that is probably normal behavior? I couldn't hear any sound in the video you shared?

 

Yes probably due temperature the fans is more noticeable, how much decibel is it? For example here on idle only browsing on balance and costum mode. To me it’s silent even on costum max (since mostly I put mine on this mode, on battery use however it’ll be balance), sure i can notice the fans when I’ve to concentrate on it and put my ears near it. But yes sometimes but rarely it kicks in noticeable, maybe bios sensor bug that makes fans for no reason spinning more.

 

Not sure how to get decibel level but I am no longer downloading, just browsing and temps are 58-60C

 

It’s free phone apps, called I think decibel x. Maybe it’s worth to check the thermal paste, mine usually can drops as low as 40ish default thermal paste, yes sometimes depends what I’m doing or browsing non intensive tasks it might also hits 50 or 60ish. But compared to older intel blade 15 (advanced 2018) it’s noticeable quiter both on gaming and idle, this kind blade stealth fans which was way quiter than the 15 (have to unplug it to make silent on idle usage) in my experience.

 

I just tried Ryzen Controller but it made my computer very sluggish. I just uninstalled it but it feels like it's still working in the background. How do I completely remove any settings it applied? I can see it is still limiting my temps despite no longer being on my PC.
Edit: rebooting fixed it. Temps back to 60 idle though. Need to figure this out

 

I just ordered the 3080 razer 14 which vbios are you recommended?


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Yes restart it after uninstall, check using HWinfo64 if the software still cap frequency to 3600mhz like by running cinebench that usually take more than that frequency. What do you mean btw by sluggish, on gaming?
I like my cpu running on max mid 80ish on intensive workload like gaming so I use ryzen controller, some are using amd apu tuning utility or disable boost like using registry. I prefer this as performance hits only a bit on my use case, and still getting boost frequency, apparently ryzen control temperature cap is limiting the wattage to get aimed temperature range. It’s only like 2 FPS difference (highest preset 1080p, synapse costume max) between on SoTR benchmark but around 10 degrees thermal improvement, i think fans noise also better.
With

Without

Note: MSI vbios so thermal and performance might be vary with yours.

 

I use AMD APU Tuning Utility now rather than Ryzen Controller, it seems more stable to me.

https://github.com/JamesCJ60/AMD-APU-Tuning-Utility

These AMD CPUs just run warm, but yeah 60 degrees while idle is a bit warm but nothing to be concerned about. You can try repasting if you see the need.

I liked these Clevo 105w vios:

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232025/232025

The other one that I linked to before (Acer) are well over 100w and I wouldn't recommend running it unless you want a "spicy pillow" or worse; i.e., fried VRMs and the like. I don't have the Blade any more but I reverted back to the stock Razer vbios, I found that the extra 5w on the Clevo vbios really didn't matter too much.

 

What are you using now


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(Edit) I misread your post at first because I'm tired haha, didn't mean to regurgitate my prior response.

Currently have a Tongfang based chassis (Maingear branded here in the U.S., backed by Microcenter and repaired in-store if you buy their warranty). 15.6", 3.8 pounds, 5800H, 140w 3070, FHD 240hz screen, FreeSync + MUX switch. Equivalent to Eluktronics MAX 15 also in U.S. or XMG in Europe, but with FHD screen instead of QHD- I much prefer FHD on a 15" laptop and a full powered 3070 is perfect for 1080p.

There was some headroom I felt in the Blade for a more powerful GPU, maybe a 115w TGP. If my current laptop can handle a 140w 3070 with a 230w power supply, Razer may well have been able to eek by with a 115w GPU with its 230w power supply and by adding full fan / thermal / power customization in Synapse.

 

Was anyone able to install again THX Spatial Audio after a clean installation?

 

What are you using to monitor CPU temp?

I noticed that HWMonitor either raises my idle temp to 60C or gives a misread. I'm not sure which is occuring. CoreTemp gives me readings ~47C to 52C at idle, depending on background processes and HVAC cycling. The Blade 14 seems to be quite sensitive to ambient air temps. Maybe that's to be expected with an aluminum chassis, or perhaps it's indicative of the effectiveness or the cooling system.

 

HWMonitor polls the CPU in such a way that causes higher than normal usage, thereby increasing temperatures.

 

I got the Blade 14 3070. I previously owned an AW 17 R4 with GTX 1070 and 120Hz G-SYNC panel. Too big for travel, so gave it to my brother. What I'm really excited about with this system is replacing my 2014 Omen. The Blade 14 is smaller, has the qHD screen, and is probably about three times as powerful as the Omen. I wish I could buy another aluminum Omen, but Razer has the right stuff. Yes, the focus here is on thin and light. I know some people hate that. But I got this specifically for travel.

CoreTemp shows 47C to 52C at idle (small background processes), and fans are silent, at least compared to the fan I run under my router on my desk. Idle temps seem to be sensitive to HVAC cycling with a 2C swing. I could be wrong, but I'll interpret that to mean the vapor chamber system is very efficient. I don't know what the actual ambient temperatures are in my room, but thermostat is set to 74F/23C.

I started testing with Synapse set to balanced mode and ended up on medium CPU/high GPU. I did not play with fan curves. I haven't bothered with CPU on high or boost, but I suppose I should give it a try some time. I'm not chasing benchmark scores.i just want a smooth, stable system.

I ran individual tests, then simultaneous Prime95 and FurMark. Warm and noisy, but stable, pegged at power limit once the fans spin up. I did see the CPU hit thermal throttle before the fans caught up. I would set fans to full speed before attempting to stress test at high or boost settings (is that how you all do it?).

I'm not sure this system needed or is able to fully utilize a 5900HX, but it is fun to see clocks hit 4.5GHz sometimes.

I think the Blade 14 is a real winner!

 

Was able to mush some discounts together and get a 3080 14 for less than the 3070, and I am quite happy. Also included third party warranty.

I am driving an external 43” 4k144 panel off USBC to DP, and getting pretty good performance. Bless DLSS, letting a 100W laptop GPU get decent 4K performance.

I can’t really imagine playing shooters off the build in panel though, 14” is a bit on the small side. If the 15 or 17 came in Ryzen, I’d be buying that instead for sure.

 

Anyone here dual boot with Linux/Windows? Planning on installing Linux, curious if there are any issues I should be aware of. Ty

 

It’s apparently need to be downloaded from thx website but you should purchase it, I’d contact CS to get the code though, however did you try through windows update maybe it’ll install it automatically. I didn’t clean install it so idk, however sound isn’t so great, I mean for windows laptop class so I didn’t bother the setting.

Yes compare to your external it’ll be nothing, using external monitor bypassing the optimus here so you’ll get extra FPS. Though I play sometimes on internal since it has greater refresh rate and color accuracy than my 4K and 1440p external, especially when playing on dining table etc out side the gaming desk.

 

Whats your guys take on this 5900HX then? Is it faster/better than these new 11th gen Intel machines? I'm torn on waiting for a bigger AMD Blade because 14" is just a gameboy to me ...

 

There are plenty of YouTube videos out there comparing Ryzen 5000 to Tiger Lake H. Bottom line is that Intel is still generally better for gaming. It also performs better across the board when given higher power limits, mostly at 60W and above. Lower than that, AMD will be faster. Ryzen also consistently gets better battery life, it also tends to be cheaper than a comparably equipped Intel.

 

I cannot get WiFi working on Linux Mint. Anyone run into this issue? The wired connection works.

 

Below quoted comment by @saturnotaku is short sweet and to the point!

I had to educate myself a bit this go-around and now appreciate user-upgradable RAM. Using quality RAM on these AMD laptops brings performance even closer to Intel. At these prices there's no excuse to use inferior RAM and have it soldered as well to add insult to injury. Ordered myself a set of 32gb 2xR8 3200 CL20 RAM that should get here early next week.

 

Playing with stress tests on Boost/High settings in Synapse. My HVAC thermostat is set to 74F/23C.

With Prime95 Small FFT test, the power peaks at 80W! At 100C, the 5900HX throttles. It holds at about 3.7 GHz. On large FFT test, it pegs at 43W, 75-78C (depends on whether house HVAC is cycling), and holds 4.4 GHz indefinitely.

I ran FurMark 1440p with 8x anti-aliasing stress test simultaneously with Prime95 large FFT running. I ran this for over 30 minutes to see how hot the system would get between HVAC cycles. We're operating at power limit here. CPU power was at 46W, peaked at 99C, and held between 4.2-4.3 GHz basically the entire time. GPU peaked at 86C but stabilized fluctuating between 83C to 85C. When HVAC cycled on again, CPU went back down to 94C, and GPU went down to fluctuations between 80C to 83C. About 1.5 to 2 minutes after HVAC cycle, the temperature slowly started climbing back up toward the peaks. I stopped the test at 34 minutes. Fans immediately start ramping down and we're below 60C in a minute, then fans are silent and in a few more minutes we return to 40C at 2 to 3W. Wait... that idle temp is lower than the 47C I saw after initial setup and testing of this system. I have no idea why, but it's really good so I sure won't complain about it!

So then I decided to play with Timespy. Wow, I didn't realize that using the internal display hit the CPU so hard. It would only give a 8100 CPU score. So I hooked up an HDMI cable to external monitor and got better GPU and CPU scores. It doesn't look like I was able to go +200 overclock with MSI Afterburner but it seems stable at +150/+400. Now, how do I get the CPU to 9600 as is expected of the 5900HX?

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/65436832

 

Two issues may be at play re: getting the 5900HX up to snuff. Earlier system bios enabled the CPU to score a bit higher in testing. Another possibility is the soldered RAM. RAM density makes a difference with AMD, people who have replaced stock RAM in laptops that allow it have reported better results compared to stock RAM.

 

My box says "Manufactured in China 06/2021", Windows sysinfo says the BIOS is version Razer 1.01 04/29/2021. I think I have an early manufacture machine, and that date seems like an early BIOS build. CPU-Z says RAM timings are 22-22-22-52 (if I'm writing that correctly). I guess that's not very good.

I did manage to break 10,000 overall in Timespy. On a previous test, the CPU only scored 8,900. I guess benchmarks are just inconsistent. I don't really have tons of experience chasing benchmark scores.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/65441489

 

I was looking at the wrong timings and had to go back to Jarrod's video to see what he had mentioned about this. Honestly, I don't know what most of this means, but my RAM shows a mix of results between the two sets of RAM Jarrod used. Hmm...

 

Congrats you got YouTubers units better ram, some got same “cheaper“ ram similar with that legion pro.

Than stay on that vbios, don’t update to 1.06, it lower longer boost frequency like on cinebench, timespy CPU Test, I regretted upgraded the bios, I need time machine to go back to 1.01 to get this.
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21316126
Since update I never see anything above 9,3K timespy cpu score.
Your ram isn’t great yes but isn’t bad compared to that legion or Asus “cheap“ ram.

 

I didn't think I would spend time overclocking or chasing benchmark scores with this system. I really just want a portable, stable system for gaming during travel. But... I guess I played around a lot today. I used your scores as reference, so thanks!

I think I've found the limits. I was able to overclock in MSI Afterburner up to 175/650. I set the power mode slider to best performance and I found some Windows advanced power settings related to AMD so I set everything to maximum performance. I also updated to the latest Nvidia and AMD drivers today. I don't know why my CPU score in Timespy was lower this morning, but either the driver update or power settings brought it up closer to expected. Of course this is on Boost/High and external monitor. I am undecided on whether I will revert to factory settings or maybe just reduce the overclock a little bit for normal use. I don't have any desire to flash any third party vBIOS or anything. I'll leave that to the pros.

I cannot get through Timespy with anything over +175 MHz on the core. The +650 MHz overclock on the vRAM does present some artifacts during Timespy and looks like it is on the edge of stability. 600 MHz was completely stable. I noticed one stutter during Timespy, and SoTR crashed after I enabled DLSS, but it ran perfectly fine after doing nothing but restarting the game.

Timespy: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/65446637


Firestrike: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/65446810


Far Cry 5 1440p


Far Cry 5 1080p -- This benchmark really did not like my overclock. I had to reduce the core to +160 MHz to get through it.


SoTR DLSS off 1440p


SoTR DLSS on 1440p (Never tried this setting before. I'll have to try it out to decide whether I like it or not.)


SoTR 1080p

 

That’s really great for 100 watt 3070, I did vbios Flash actually only for fun, but at the end made me addicted so stay away if you still could
For 14 form factor it’s already enough to keep social distances from triton se 300 and g14, I just wanted to catch bulky 16 inch laptops performances. Yes sadly with soldered ram and 5900HX that can’t run an “5900HX“, hopefully sometimes amd or someone give the way to increase it, waiting tools that can run frequency over 4,1 GHz long run to catch Intel power hunger chips that can be overcoocked.

 

Has anyone got a device with the original Windows distro still installed?

I'm getting quiet mad at the THX Spatial drivers and Windws Store app being unavailable as I reinstalled the OS and would like to compare some things in real time. Maybe on Discord if any of you has the time/wants.

I will reach you by PM with my Discord ID. Thank you!

 

You can shoot me, maybe not the world fastest reply but faster than Razer CS, I think .

 

Can you share what you did to get your score that high? I can only get 9500 total on the internal display, and my CPU score never breaks 9000. Really want to get the proper performance out of this but a noob on windows so don't really know what else I can do. Already set battery life to maximum performance and OC'd to +160, +600

 

It’s probably external screen, internal the gpu should pass the cpu to output to internal screen resulting a bit performance bottleneck , so it’s hardly to cross 9K, bypassing it through usb c/hdmi to external monitor make the cpu less stressed so you can break 9K (bios 1.01 could break almost 9,6K). In fact recently apparently again they reduced more gpu performance (just tested the original vbios), noticed from gpu tgp that barely reaching 90watt, probably for better cooling (before can perform similar with below two vbios).
Switch to similar (like stock 100 watt performance) 105 watt before here what I found (all tested with 205/400, same as my setting a month ago using stock vbios on Timespy internal display).

Original 14 3070 100 watt.
Pathetic to me, feel like having 3060 laptop.

Blade advanced 105 watt (downside you can’t connect external display using usb C, only for data transfer like usb storage etc)

Okay for 14 inch with crappy soldered ram

Clevo 105 watt, both usb c ports acts properly as stock vbios. No downside only if you new to this risk from cross flash isn’t on mine, that’s all, ah yes one down side to me only it’s way lower than my preferred vBios

105 watt Clevo Timespy internal
105 watt Clevo Timespy external

It’s still way better than any 14 inch form factor but they shouldn’t send YouTubers with bios that was great that miss lead the potential buyers later if they crippled the performance down the road. And should put maybe not 5900HX but 5800H for the performance instead giving more competitive price with g14 on 3060 areas. It’s like dejavu to me when they marketing first gtx1080 on thin light form factor and performs like between 1070 and 1080, kind maxq (but that time maxq isn’t born yet. So this’s 5900H Xmaxq variant I’d say

 

They probably figured Alienware does stuff like this all the time, so why not copy what the other big dogs are doing right? Still it’s hard to argue since the Blade 14 has such a lead on the other 14” gaming laptops. But 15” machines are going to have to step it up.