Razer Blade Pro 17" GTX 1080 GPU/7820K CPU 2017 Owner's Lounge

I'm not buying a $4900 laptop that needs something ripped off and repasted to work as advertised. The CPU might get overclocked after the repaste but the 1080 will still underperform at 1070 levels. I'd rather wait and get an equally thin laptop with the same CPU/GPU with better cooling solutions in June (i.e. Aorus X7 v7), while saving +$1500

 

GPU benchmarks. Really, I want to know for sure if the 1080 is performing like a 1070 or not.

 

I don't think people considering this laptop are that price sensitive or value driven.

For a laptop at this price, value for money is just not that relevant.

 

For existing owners, does your V2 share this 2016 V1 problem?

 

What exactly was that problem? I have had both models and am not certain what he was showing us. However mine have both worked perfectly.

 

That is EXTREMELY subjective, as price to performance is not the ONLY way of measuring value on this machine.

For example, I have a job that requires that I travel extensively [I've mentioned this before on the forums, sorry if I'm covering old territory] That means 6 months of the year I'm rollin' through airports, carrying personal gear plus work gear [including a separate work laptop, etc] Yes, there are other offerings such as the MSI Ghost pro or standard blade, but I'm not a fan of MSI quality, and I'm just not. . COMFORTABLE on the 14". Alienware 15" can't have a 1080, and the 17", while beautiful, takes up WAAAAAY too much space in a bag.

For me, the Blade Pro packs HUGE value per dollar due to it's form factor. It's transportable, it's powerful enough for my needs [IE, to live on in a hotel for weeks on end] You lose a bit in performance but it's not like you couldn't guess that. Physics and heat transfer characteristics are pretty common sense on a build like this.

Yea, I could go cheaper, but I am WAY too used to 4k gaming @ or above 60 FPS. Totally agree it's not for everyone, and the AW R4 17" is a MUCH better value per dollar hardware wise. . but if it means I don't have to choose between laptop and . . oh. . .CLOTHES on a 2 week trip. . .

I can't speak for the 7820hk, but the 6700hq version really didn't get THAT hot. . . .low 80s CPU, mid 70s GPU. Now, I KNOW the 7820hk runs hotter [mostly because the AW R4 17" has heat problems as well, and look at the cooling solution on THAT behemoth] but the majority of those issues are under synthetic benchmarks, which most people are never going to duplicate said loads in 99% of normal tasks [obviously certain science based applications or heavy developers exempted] Also, can be had for $4000 - $200 if you can find a student to help you get that 5% discount.

That's not to say that what iUnlock is doing isn't absolutely AMAZING [b/c it is] but there also seem to be quite a number of risks to using liquid metal...

the 6700hq version did, I can tell you that from personal experience. I wouldn't expect a HUGE amount of bottleneck to be lifted by the 7820hk, especially since we KNOW the 1080 in the Blade Pro is undervolted by something like 40-50w. That still doesn't make it a bad card, or a bad machine, but for some of these exotic high ends you have GOT to expect a certain amount of compromise to make a machine that lasts more than a week.[/quote]

 

Well, you can see that the bottom metal panel is almost falling off. It looks like the adhesive or whatever was used to keep the panel in place was poorly done. I'm waiting for the V2 myself, and coming from a Macbook Pro, if i see something like that it'll go straight back to Razer. I'm not going to deal with poor quality control at that price point.

He's also posted a longer youtube video outlining the issues he's faced with the 2016 version.

 

Any benchmarks in this system yet ? I found a good deal on one but trying to figure out if I should go with this or another AW17r4


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@fflyAnml360 i had the same issue on mine. I didn't fully pull it apart like he does in the video though. There is no screw back there in the middle to keep the panel attached. I noticed it when my finger nail caught it, and once I found it, it annoyed the crap out of me, it's a poor design choice, they need a clip or something back there. People say this is an amazingly built laptop, but I think they just say that because its aluminum, but this case fitment issue is one part, the cheap rubber strips on the bottom are tacky and feel like a after thought. The Razer logo also feels cheap physically, like a plastic sticker. These are all things that would ever happen on an Apple/ Mac. They clearly want to be Apple, but they still fall short delivering it in the product and the customer service. I sent mine back to Amazon. I don't want to sound negative, just my experiences.

Price isn't my #1 concern, as this is a business tool. I buy it and bill it back over a few weeks' work. Performance, durability, and portability are the 3 I was looking for the most. Price falls where it falls as I try to maximize across those 3.

I am curious to see if the V2 addresses some of the build items, and if they beat or match the AW 17 R4

 

Razer blade pro is pretty different from alienware 17 R4.
Benchmark wise, It is not likely to win alienware 17 because in that form factor, it is difficult to put a beefy cooling system in there just like MSI GT73VR or something.
Given how powerful Alienware 17 R4 is after Iunlock 's LM treatment, I think it is safe to say Razer blade pro is not gonna to have a better benchmark than AW17r4.

 

Alienware 17 is like a full kilogram heavier than RBP though.

 

Which I really do understand but are we looking at 30 40% less


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I dunno about that, maybe 7-15% real world [benchmarks don't mean **** in the real world] and as long as you're above 60FPS on a 60Hz screen, how much does the loss of performance really matter over the portability gain [obviously subjective]

It REALLY comes down to how you're using it: if you're going to be carrying all over creation, the Razer trumps the AW. If you're going to be mostly stationary, or just travelling to lan parties etc, And/or you need an actual desktop desktop replacement [storage wise] The Alienware is clearly superior.

 

I wonder how loud the fans are .. hmmm I might give one a try I found one for 3599


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Honestly when I had both going in and out my bag I didn't notice a huge difference with all the other crap in my bag. But I did notice the size difference in the power adapters. The Alienware one is just massive and makes you want to leave it at home or check it in luggage. The Razer one is much nicer and smaller. But it also is a crap ton hotter when charger.

I travel with my AW 17R4 daily (in Lima, Peru now!), but I did like hand carrying the RBP more. If you hand carry all day long it's RBP by a long shot.

And yes there is the $1000+ difference.

I just wish Razer would offer an extended warranty and better CS. Still let's see the benches, maybe it's time for a second look.

 

I have a system that will be here tomo not sure I'm gonna keep it or not but I found and open box at bestbuy for 3599 .. so worth trying if I don't like it will stick with my 17r4


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5% more on a benchmark doesn't mean anything in real world performance

30% more in benchmark should really be looked at





the thing about power limit on the blade 17, if you actually it it your 0.1% low framerate and frame pacing will take a hit. surely you'll get 60fps on some games but those 60fps would feel stuttery


4K60 is barely doable on an unlocked 1080 graphics card on desktop, I don't expect the blade 17 to fare any better

 

What about running it at 1080p


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From personal experience I can tell you you're absolutely WRONG on that. Alright, Fallout 3 isn't the most intensive, but it ran just fine on a single 1080 @ 4k above 60FPS. A single 1080 also had no issues running Elite: Dangerous on Oculus Rift at 1.5x w/ everything maxed [except Ambient occlusion]

I didn't try games like Witcher 3 because I do not play them. I do not like them, so any frame dips in titles like that have absolutely zero affect on my opinion.

Also, I'm not convinced it's a full 30% performance hit over a full desktop card. Maybe 15% MAX. There's a bit of misnomer here, as they're marketing it as a "full desktop GPU" which it's not. They took the "m" off, but these are STILL Mobile parts in that they're adjustable per each manufacturer's cooling solution. Sure, you can probably get desktop performance out of some of the 10-15lb gigantic desktop replacement solutions from Alienware, MSI, or Asus. . . but again, for SOME of us, the portability is WELL worse a small hit in performance when you live in airplanes and hotels for half the year.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here, but If I'm reading this right then I think you're wrong twice. First, what stuttering are you talking about? I've USED the 6700hq version. it pushed everything *I* ran on it way past 100FPS, plus the thing has a Gsync panel: which means. . .Lower latency and no stuttering/tearing. Of course, I couldn't play Heroes of the Storm without the thing randomly shutting off, but after recently experiencing a very similar problem on my DESKTOP, I'm leaning towards it being an Nvidia issue.

 

How are the fan on your system ?


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This laptop is marketed with a gsync 4k display that is 100% adobe rgb (b173zanxxx) with touch screen

if you're gaming at fhd on this system, defeats the purpose of the advertised screen

>2016 hardware on a 2008 game
kek

This line invalidates your opinion, it basically means "I don't play games where my system exhibits its weakness and problems, therefore the "problems" are non existent."

150w is nvidia's default guideline for 1080N cards, the blade definitely isn't 150w as it is beat by some 115w 1070 runs in an alienware 17r4. So in this case the 1080 is underperforming if measured from nvidia standard.

For reference, the 1080 standard (FE) is 180-200w adjustable. The AW17R4 with 1080 has an option to flash a 180w vbios from it's 150w standard, Clevo 1080 is 190w, MSi 1080 is 180w (sli)/200w (single GT73). And most AIB desktop cards are set to have a 200w standard power limit adjustable to even higher amounts, eg the Zotac 1080 AMP is adjustable to 278w.

HON shutting off during gameplay, oh dear...
And your desktop, probably also poorly built by you. Or you're just unlucky on one or more parts of the system.


Gsync on a laptop isn't dekstop gysnc, you can discover about eDP adaptive sync or freesync rebranded to mobile Gsync here






Don't talk just average fps, that's useless stat. Research what 0.1% low and frame pacing is.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/site-news/2513-testing-methodology-explained-1percent-lows-and-delta-t

Oh wait you're probably not smart enough for this...



When [any GPU] hits the power limit (TDP), it will start adjusting the clockspeed and voltage to match the TDP. This adjustment isn't always perfect and will cause 0.1% lows to suffer.
Frame pacing is affected to a less significant degree.

The TDP limit on a Blade 17 isn't high enough, period.


Stockholm syndrome much? Might want to take a liquid metal drink to cool off your body to room temperature.

@D2 Ultima @iunlock

 

Sounds like it's moral of the story is i should take back the one I'm getting tomo


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Did your autocorrect do something weird?

 

Lol yes no clue how that happened!

Fixed

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69/54 = 1.27 == desktop is 27% faster

Why don't you run 3DMark Firestrike for us. Just plain firestrike.

 

@mindinversion

Waiting for you to say that you don't play doom so that the chart above don't matter

 

Whether he plays Doom or not really doesn't matter. Nor does the chart or all the so called "facts" you and every Razer hater on this forum espouse. What matters and the only thing that matters is why the buyer decided to purchase the laptop and if he or she is satisfied with the way it performs. Otherwise everybody should or would be buying the top rated laptop based upon the subjective ratings of whatever critic was deemed the most knowledgeable laptop critic in the world. Since that will never happen these "points" you make about why the RBP is in your opinion a laptop you would not want to own means less than nothing to me the purchaser of the new RBP. The only thing that should matter is other RBP owners experiences before the purchase is made. All this other nonsense about percentages that the 1080 performs less than the desktop is just so much noise.
Now I compared my RBP to the AW 17 r4 and the AW 13 r3 (with OLED) for different reasons. I even purchased the 13 and though it is a nice computer it just didn't perform and look/feel as great as the RBP. By the way I have owned over a dozen Alienware laptops and enjoyed each and every one immensely. But this RBP is better than any and all of them. The screen is better. The keyboard experience is better. The games I play, perform equally as good if not better. The mobility of the RBP is far superior to any AW 17 (or 18) or even the 14 and 15. And finally the RBP is superior in looks as well and yes that is very important to me and most laptop buyers of Alienware and Razer Blades and most likely most gamers' laptops. Oh and yes all this that I have stated is quite SUBJECTIVE .

 

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What I recall was previous model notebook graphic scores being on par with heavily overclocked 1070, why is it now said that I scores like a 1070 without said detail on this?

Also, since when is overclock considered a normal usual thing on notebooks?

I'm from the times in which you had to run dos through floppy to overclock a gtx 5X0 or had to waste some good weeks tweaking every single voltage in the bios to run a 1st gen i7 to good clocks, but still: overclocking isn't supposed to be doable everywhere nor it ever was.

This said, what I saw in the average is around a 15% performance hit on the 1080 on the RBP cause it has no juice for turbo-like clocks, okay, point made: worst bang for the bucks notebook ever, best portable heavyweight notebook ever (its a few mm different from AW? Well, it's still better).

Why should these posts even keep existing and why on Earth are they being written on a thread about a newer model which none has benchmarked (after tweaking it for comparison, which almost none did with the previous model) yet?

 

never said that the build quality is bad

the blade simply offers too little for the price point that it is pegged at

 

I know typing experience is subjective but the Blade Pro is one of the worst keyboards I've seen in a laptop for me, while Alienware was one of the best. And this is coming from someone who doesnt really like either company.

The Blade Pro is a high performance 17" thin laptop. It's just one of (or probably) the worst GTX 1080 in a laptop though. Doesnt mean it cant game, it's just gonna get creamed by the other 1080 machines.

 

Well since the "buyer" and "satisfied customer" just said that it's not possible that the mobile 1080 in the Blade Pro could perform any worse than 15% of a desktop card... well... I mean. All I did was disprove his statement, to which I have not got a reply from yet.

So in this case, yes it matters.

 

Let's call a truth until @iunlock post LM re-paste results.

We can judge this machine *after we have more benchmarks.

 

Well for some thermals are not the only reason to return a RBP, for me the keyboard was just terrible. The offset due to the trackpad and the low travel was a pain in the @ss to get used to, and basically I could not. I also hated the fact that only numbers and letters lit up, wtf not make the entire key light up? I thought the screen was amazing and temps was not a deal breaker on my second unit but the keyboard design was a deal breaker for a 5k machine.
Best buy has a lot of open box RBP 2017 now for sale, looks like many people are returning these units?

 

I just bought one from them so I'll let you know how the system goes I may return it based on everything I've read


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It's likely issues related to dead pixels and the trackpad. There was a guy on the Razer insider forums who has returned 4 units, and the open box units are likely the ones he returned. It's unacceptable to see this kind of quality control for the amount of money you're paying. Or perhaps it's just that the Razer community is more vocal about their concerns and issues than other manufacturers.

I'm hoping i don't get a dud

 

the key light up issue is also on the blade 14

 

They system I ordered just got here .. I'm downloading firestrike now to run a test


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Good, we be waiting

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So far fan noise is loud !!


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Firestrike score was 14200 stock .. with very loud fan noise I don't think LM will tame this thing !


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Could you post the Physics and Graphics score? And what clock speed you run on Cpu. Thanks

 

I would but I already boxed it up and took it back to Best Buy .. that noise was out of Controll ..


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LM will make temp lower, but how low it is depends on the heatsink's ability to dissipate heat itself.

 

I'm gonna just stick with my AW17


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Seeing how razer just lost a sale really warms my heart

Don't you two agree @Razer Customer Support @RazerCS ?

 

It was bad the CPU got to 99c


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Remember the clock speed on Cpu?

 

Stock clock speeds ..


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