Razer Blade Pro 17" GTX 1080 GPU/7820K CPU 2017 Owner's Lounge

I think he means as a standard capacity.


Users should be able to upgrade to 32 if needed, but most brands just offer 16gb to start with.

 

I did check Dell a while ago, its one of the first to check for work laptops after all and the specs they offered then was lackluster to say the least. Their customer support seems nice reaction wise but have had some weird dealings with them before. Like their replace policy is "if we have parts in stock" per their warranty agreement, was a few years ago though.

Will update when i get it, but process is probably:
- Get it
- Check for obvious build failures
- Get a new one if a failed
- Check performance
- Break raid0
- Install a 2TB drive
- Install Win10Pro
- Install work software including VM-software
- Start actual work

So it will probably be a while before i can test it under real conditions. Will probably run some benchs when i get it to check that it isnt completely screwed and will try to post some results.

 

Now that I think about it. the EVGA SC17 is a good 17" thin (1.07") premium alternative to the people considering a Razer Blade Pro.

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=768-41-2633-T1

Performance should be a little better on the SC17

 

Well yes. But if the first option is a normal work laptop then the options with 32GB are few. Moving into gaming laptop territory a lot of those that offer 32GB falls off for other reasons (blingy, clumsy, plastic). After that, the options are pretty few. As per my first post, i wasnt looking for a gaming laptop, just for any laptop with the right spec and a decent design.

But you are correct, if the base requirement is gaming laptop with best performance regardless of form factor etc, then there are plenty of options with 32GB ram. Think most if not all CPUs support it anyway.

 

Is this with LM repaste?

 

Kryronaut, but it can run fire strike stock stock too as the gpu runs pretty cool.

::iunlock::

 

Hence why i also used cars as an example.

Knowing the Skoda car has similar performance and is designed on the same platform as the audi a4. But Skoda with its 150hp engine costs 30% less than the audi?
Yet audi is sold in larger numbers in sweden? This is similar.

The thing is the aorus is not exactly the same as the RBP. It has better performance/price. The RBP IF it were to perform better is not THAT expensive. Correct me if im wrong but its like a 10% increase over the X7 DT with similar specs? The difference being ofc that the RBP performance in gaming has been proven... abysmal.

I also do believe for example blazertrek50 is just a happy/satisfied owner that felt he had to defend his choice which to you guys is unfathomable.
But as Jeremy Clarkson said about the 2012 Alfa Romeo lineup:
"Its absolute rubbish. But i just cant help loving it" <-- not an exact quote i dont remember it fully

 

I didn't feel I had to defend my decision, I just enjoyed doing it and entering into this discussion to defend Razer part for fun and part because I think the haters just don't get it. The guy who said my decision was not logical really doesn't get it. He needs to look up the definition before using it against my decision making. Also what objective and subjective mean, though I guess he is only looking at things from his point of view and not mine .

 

@Blazertrek50 I did say it was a personal choice didn't I ? .
Objective means ..like no opinions ..pure logic ..like 1 +1=2 ..
Subjective means personal input ..like no I think 1+1=3 because I like the number 3 ..
I am desperately trying to look through you view and not mine ..

You didnt reply to the rest...but replied to something I said u don't have to ..
This is getting long now ...slim has put it very nicely in this thread .


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Wrong on both accounts. What you are stating is a mathematical truth and fallacy and has nothing to do with being objective or subjective when making a financial purchase.

 

The sole question I have for this product is why is it worth 1000 dollars more than an Aorus X7 DT?

Certainly isn't because of the keyboard, or the display options. Chassis quality is definitely in Razer's corner (though the Aorus is still one of the best) but what a premium to pay for it.

But debating an owner of a product is never going to yield a good discussion, and in my experience this becomes more true the more expensive the product is vs a category average.

Like telling someone who owns a Maserati Ghibli they bought a poor value product... Much of the car is reused Chrysler parts. They aint gonna be happy about it. It still looks and sounds cool though. But other brands exist.

 

@Blazertrek50 alright agreed my wordings were wrong ..
And u keep replying to something I didn't even ask for a reply to. ..the rest ?
And fine u tell Me the definition of objective and subjective .

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Welcome

Exactly.

What? 32Gig is only halfway up to 64 I hope you know-understand almost all ODM charges you heavily if you go for maximum ram. Same for ssd's and Hdd as well.

 

Objective....post temperatures, benchmarks, gaming results.
Subjective.... I like the form factor, look and feel...it suits my needs well...it performs great in my opinion...

 

Yes sadly. I own a MBP 2013 full specced. It was "cheap" for it specs back then when getting 1TB of SSD was almost impossible stock from other brands but its still expensive.

Unfortunately slim laptops often come with soldered RAM. But i got the 512 GB disk since im likely to change the disks anyway and might as well get as good a price as i can instead of paying Razer extra and not being able to get exactly the disk i want. In this case i was mainly happy that it comes with 32GB of RAM. Sure wouldnt mind more but i do get by on 16 today so 32 is going to be a decent quality of life improvement.

 

Mine came with Samsung PM961s. They are quite speedy. (I have the 2TB version with no RAID). Best price I can find for two 1TB PM961s is 850 bucks FYI.


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I am going to need space in the long run so i plan on putting in a 2TB 960 pro in one slot to start with. Expensive but needed.

Unfortunately the delivery got postponed 2 weeks, so looking at early June. Razers production seems a bit random at times.

 

Curious about repaste options for these units. Looks like many other machines can realize huge temperature improvements. I'm not sure it will help performance too much since we are basically at the power limits but lower thermals are never a bad thing. Thoughts @iunlock , @Mobius 1 ?

 

the heatsink is too small in the first place

repaste helps, but don't expect massive temp drops like in the bigger machines aw17/msi etc etc

 

That is true. While on other 17" non unibody machines benefit from a repaste, the RBP on the other hand is a lost cause.



::iunlock::

 

Hot GTX 1070 it is then...


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Slim, I read that uninstalling synapse helps the temps? Also have they fixed the fan issue with synapse?

All 3 of mine, would do no change to fan speed if selected high it just stayed auto?

 

Oh yeah, Razer synapse fan thing is 100% no effect on my blade 14.

 

At this point I am not surprised with lack of support. No telling how long it will take them to get a driver from Nvidia to fix the gsync issue, as of now you have to revert back to the old driver for it to work.

 

Guys please post some YouTube videos of your razer blade pro 2 a review video with game testing


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Yeah, I'll get right on that

 

No Offense Blazertrek but your credit on here to me is going down fast, you never posted screenshots of what you promised from 2 weeks ago, so I have low expectations on receiving a youtube video from you.

A man is only as good as his word.

 

Someone else beat me to it. No worries though as you are over-thinking it. I am logical in how I chose to buy the RBP V2 in that I consider the factors that are important to me including affordability. There is no objective way of measuring the logic of a purchase I make because it is not an objective decision. Do you understand that? If we purchased goods based upon objective rationality than we would all buy the same things. And who decides what computers we buy? What objective method do they use? I hope you begin to understand that your line of questioning here is not really appropriate, and that is ok. It is one of the many "things" that makes us all so unique

 

Not to sound mean but I never gave you my word on anything and I don't care about what you think of me as I do not even know you. I am not interested in your opinion about the computers I purchase. Other than that "have a nice day"

 

With advertised 4.3GHz No drop. Pure 4.3GHz

 

So now your willing to waste your precious time to do a video?? *drops the mic*

 

Actually I was going to hire someone to do that but then Jdorth pointed out what an illogical waste of money that was

 

I love coming back to these RBP threads and spending about an hour reading long paragraphs that people wrote and asking the same questions over and over again and totally going off topic

 

About half the posts are fluff at this stage. Makes it hard to find stuff in the thread actually. You moved on from your RBP right?


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@Blazertrek
I just saw the consumer satisfaction ratings of phones today .The iPhone SE tops the list .looks like you are sorta right ..

No as in of course there is no objective way to do it . Everyone has different tastes .
And I guess I'm not asking this to u properly since you are not answering what I had asked .

So lemme try to put this simply .

All the time till now .I have been talking about your tastes .What you like .that was my first question. You answered that . You mentioned many things like keyboard ,design , coolness factor etc .
Right ?
These were your tastes right ? .

Something other than the RBP fulfills your tastes that you haven't tried ..
Someone else said "well I don't like the logo of Auros " see they wrote about their taste and accordingly wrote about their purchase .
Same trying here but I'm still baffled .
You told about ur taste and didnt try any other alternative (since AW Origin are not cool or don't fulfil what u mentioned .) yet you would recommend the RBP confidently .and that u think the RBP is best experience without knowing about Auros ..please tell me you understand now ?

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I've actually had zero issues with Synapse that I can tell. I haven't really figured out what exactly it does regarding CPU and Fan settings. More testing is needed. Frankly, I'm in over my head regarding truly figuring out how to make this machine work optimally. I'm happy to dedicate an hour to someone if they want to remote into my machine. I'll set up a WebEx meeting to facilitate. One thing I've been completely unable to do reliably is undervolt. Instant BSOD almost every time.

 

What undervolt tool? XTU? And really appreciate your support.

 

Ja. And no matter what I try, CPU power drops to 45W (from the mid 50s) after 15-20 seconds. Even in FPU only stress tests. Prior to the drop, temps hover mid-90s, after the drop, its mid to low 80s. Plenty of overhead for CPU only overclocking IMO. It's like the machine is hard coded to not allow anything over 45W.

Processor core speed during the 45W drop is around 3.2GHz for all for cores. Not so great.


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I had similar issues. Not sure if this will help but worth a try.

I would uninstall synapse, reboot go to bios and reset factory defaults.

Then try undervolting with xtu start at -110 if that is stable you can go from there, If that remains stable you can try reinstall synapse but I would advise not selecting the 4.3 OC option for now until they fix the issues with the software.

All 3 of my systems would switch to 4.3 then maybe 5 min I would check and it would be back at 3.9 while synapse still showed it at 4.3 also when you select 4.3 the fans should power up to full but this also has still not been fixed.

 

I've left synapse alone for the time being, using the "performance" settings

In XTU, I've dropped my multipliers down to Intel factory settings and even at 35x (3.5 GHz), the processor draws WELL above 45W. After about 20 seconds, the system caps power to 45W and clocks drop to 3.1-3.2 GHz with dips to 2.9. I do not believe this is thermal throttling. Neither AIDA, nor XTU report thermal limits here and temps are in the mid 90s. I've been undervolting progressively this morning with good success. I'm now at -120mV and the CPU will hold rock solid at 35x (3.5GHz), the temps hold steady at 81C, and power consumption reads 41.25W. All of these numbers are from CPU-only stress tests.

 

After hours and hours of adjusting various settings, I tried 4.3 got it to stick and then like I said 5min later all cores showed a max of 797! I unistalled xtu, reset the synapse to 3.9 rebooted and still max 797.

That's when I went and did a bios default and booted back, and it was back at 3.9 I then installed xtu again and set it at -120 (this for me was the overall sweet spot)

I never adjusted my clock speeds I left them at default XTU which I believe was 39,38,37,37? With those settings my max cpu after gaming for 1.5-2hrs was 88c

I can't remember my power draw on that. (I should have taken notes)

 

With -120mV, bumping the 4 core multiplier up to 36x raises temps just slightly to 83C, but results in a power draw of 45.8W. The system holds the higher power for over a minute before dropping below 45W, which results in the clock bouncing between 3.5 and 3.6 GHz.

 

So it looks like -100mV is the sweet spot. Anything more causes issues in games. With this level of undervolt, I saw sustained clock speeds on all four cores in the 3.8-3.9 range. That is definitely overclocked compared to the stock 3.5 GHz on all four cores setting. My in-game temps for both CPU and GPU are around 88 in Battlegrounds.

That said, I still suck at Battlegrounds...

 

Yeah. Beautiful laptop. I loved it. Just performance was too crippled for me.

 

Nice job testing and tuning, that's the setting I use for 45w CPU's for running batch jobs.

At 3.5ghz (35x) I can set a much higher undervolt than at defaults, and the tasks get the maximum consistent throughput for hours on end, as compared to leaving it set at defaults or an OC.

 

I'm learning more about how the RBP reacts to various scenarios. While it performs quite poorly in stress tests, in-game performance is pretty good. Stress tests result in extreme CPU throttling and a max turbo clock of around 3.6 GHz. Even with under-volting, I can only barely overclock the processor in this situation. No game appears to be so well optimized that it fully pegs both CPU and GPU utilization like a system stress test.

In the real-world, the system will actually overclock a fair amount. Both for benchmarks like Firestrike and for various games. I used the following settings for my best Firestrike score.

• CPU overclocked to 4.3GHz on all cores
• CPU undervolted 50mV
• GPU core clock +200MHz
• GPU mem clock +300MHz

It's hard to see but the CPU holds steady at 4.3GHz. I don't think this will be the case in game because the system HATES it when the CPU power draw goes above 45W for any real period of time, but I've been able to hold 3.9GHz successfully in several games. The results above are achieved with what I like to call "dyno queen" settings.

 

4.3ghz is great for a 45w CPU, I'd have been happy with 4.0ghz and allow the remaining power to go to the GPU - with only 250w(?) PSU there's gotta be power throttling on that laptop.

I think all other 1080 (non-Max-Q) laptops use a 330w PSU.

Maybe try tuning down the CPU and that will allow the GPU to get more power? Have you tried putting a wall amp meter on the laptop to see how much power you are pulling? Libraries usually have a loaner to check out, it's free

 

Same test with the multiplier set to 39x (3.9GHz) for the CPU. Still overclocked on the GPU. I think this is about as much as the system will pull. In some games that are poorly CPU optimized, I might be able to get away with 4+GHz, but I feel the 3.9 level is a safe foundation. Overclocking the GPU is effective at gaining 1000 or so more graphics score points in firestrike.

The system is pretty clearly capped at 45W for the CPU and 145-150W for the GPU.

 

Maybe ask Razer Why they use false advertising. Maybe open a ticket and ask Razer support how you can archive to run the max advertised clock speed. I expect they can help yoo.

 

Have you tried undervolting thd GPU while still overclocking it?! In general the GPU is allowed to draw much mor power than it really needs. I can get 1800mhz with 875 mV. This will save you some watts while the card still performs like a charm.

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phila