Razer Blade Pro 17" GTX 1080 GPU/7820K CPU 2017 Owner's Lounge

As the Watt/Mhz curve is degressive, you could try to lower the values some more: Like I wrote above: My actual Curve is "fixed" at 1798 @ 875. You`ll save most in scenes that are not too demanding, as the GPU would clock up under normal conditions then. BR phila

 

Which program do you use to overclock?

 

MSI Afterburner


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Aren't most options grayed out?

 

Look back at @phila_delphia and his recent posts. Controlling the voltage vs clock curve allows for over clocking and undervolting at the same time. I'll post up a picture of my current curve later.


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So I started playing Ghost Recon Wildlands. I think the game is supposed to run at just below 60 fps maxed out on the Razer Blade Pro.
But while playing I noticed that I had dips to 25-30 fps and also stuttering. I've concluded that it may either be GPU throttling (gpu is at low 80s C temp) or power throttling.

Anyone else experience this problem and how do i resolve it?

 

Hi there! Try the following: Run GRW in windowed mode, and have the task manager with the CPU Usage open. My guess is: After some time in game you will see CPU throtteling.

I had this with my (Aorus) notebook, due to the power limit. The GPU used all of the Power so the CPU would downclock to base 2.6 Ghz, which resulted in throtteling.

If this is the case you will have to undervolt the GPU via Afterburner -> http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...s-owners-lounge.795090/page-290#post-10356883

Best reagards

phila

 

Has anyone figured out the science behind Synapse and XTU? It appears that the two programs are integrated at the core multiplier level, but the integration is woefully inconsistent. For example, when monitoring the multipliers in XTU and simply adjusting the power mode back and forth from "balanced" to "performance", the resultant values are almost always different. Naturally, this has a massive impact on how the CPU performs, and ultimately how much power it will draw. When undervolting the CPU, there is a delicate balance that one must find to establish a stable voltage. Switching back and forth between the modes introduces huge variance in core clock speeds which basically **** up the foundation on which one must base their undervolting. I believe this is the cause of quite a few random BSODs.

I'm actually a fan of the XTU/Synapse concept, but the lack of consistency is a major pain in the ass. Perhaps there are more variables in play, but I doubt it. Why one application of performance mode might differ from another is baffling to me. I may get 43x for 1, 2, 3, and 4 active cores one time, and then 43, 43, 39, 35 another. The next time it might be 43, 39, 39, 39. Most times, the 4 active core multiplier is actually HIGHER in balanced mode than performance mode (36x vs. 35x).

Of course, not much of this matters in a CPU stress test as the chip can barely overclock before hitting the 45W power limit, but in the real world, during games and potential undervolting, having the ability to ramp up the CPU can increase performance immensely and it's quite handy.

Rambling a bit at this point, but I'd like to see if others share a similar experience.

 

I suspect it to be a refresh issue in XTU as restarting it will always display the expected values set in synapse (at least in my case). Or maybe there's some race condition between XTU and synapse in setting/reading the values for all 4 cores. Restarting XTU might just cause a consistent read/apply of all values.
Just guessing.

 

XTU restart issue it was. Balanced profile upon restart shows 39x, 37x, 36x, 35x and performance shows all 43x. I've been doing more testing recently and depending on the application, running the performance mode can increase overall FPS by about 10%. This bears out in Firestrike and Firestrike Ultra as well. Graphics scores go up ever so slightly while physics scores are much more improved. For most titles at 3440x1440, FPS is well above 60, and closer to 100-120 on the balanced profile, allowing for less power draw and slightly relaxed fan operation.

Regarding power-related crashes, I believe that I've bumped into two of them. The first is simply when the machine draws too much power. CPU turbo max runs up to 60W, GPU is seeing spikes into the 150-160 range, and that leaves precious little headroom for the rest of the system components. The second is running too much voltage offset. This is more my fault for not fully interpreting what Synapse was asking XTU to do. Sometimes XTU would report 35x for the 4 core multiplier when it was actually 43x, which is a huge difference.

I feel that I've gained confidence in the machine to the point where I'm happy. It runs really hot and I don't enjoy gaming on the built-in keyboard for this reason, but for general productivity and "normal work" on the road, the keyboard is quite nice. When I'm home, I use an external monitor and a Blackwidow V2 with the machine about 4 feet away which helps keep noise down. Not sure how much power overhead I gain from disabling the 4K touchscreen, but I'm sure it is significant.

Regarding the panel, the screen itself isn't that fun to use while gaming. I find 17.3" to be too small and I get a sense of ghosting in fast scenes. I'm spoiled by my 34" 21:9 external. The 4K resolution and color saturation (if a bit overdone) is quite nice, but the screen is mediocre for gaming.

 

Looks like the two SSDs get extremely hot despite my no-RAID configuration. I'm seeing sustained temps above 70C in moderate usage, with peaks nearing 80C. From what I've read, the PM961 has an upper operating range of 70C.

 

Try run ATTO Disk Benchmark 4-5 times in a row. I'm sure you will see ssd throttling. What's the point with fast NVMe ssd's if you can't utilize the maximum speed? The payback for thin chassis design.

 

RAID will make them overheat less since the load is distributed across both SSDs AND less wear on each SSD for the same reason.

 

hwinfo seems to have 2 temperature reading for the 960 and 961 series ssd, any clue what the difference between temp 1 and temp 2?

maybe one is controller and second is the nand?

 

No clue bro, please email Mr. Martin and ask him then let us know = [email protected]

 

I was under the impression that RAID was the cause of overheating on some units. I agree that the distributed load would make sense to keep the drives cooler, though.


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You can compare previous Hwinfo version with the new one. Maybe it's thresholds to sensors who is added in last Hwinfo version. Probably this if they don't show same temp.

From the Change Log v5.54

- Extended reporting of NVMe drive temperatures and added thresholds to sensors.

 

Nope, the load is distributed across both SSDs so obviously they would work less and thus overheat less, not to mention the fact that the writes are also distributed so the longevity of the SSD increases since you are writing half the data to each SSD technically.

 

What was happening, at least on V1, was that overheating of one of the drives in Raid was causing a failure (BSOD), removing the Raid was preventing the failure not necessarily the overheating of one or both drives.

 

Mind you, High ssd temp will eat of the ssd's longevity. Boiling ssd wouldn't be saved by Raid setup, bruh!! Like pee in the pants to stay warm!! Just take a look and see the boiling ssd's Dell forced on the buyers. 3 months and the ssd remaining life is pushed down to 95%.

 

Curious that Razer removed the auxiliary chassis fan for the 2017 units. Not that it would have ingested cool air, but it would have distributed warm air inside the chassis under the keyboard where the SSDs are located.

 

No need for microwave oven if you have the correct notebook With proper drivers from Nvidia as well with boiling ssd's, you could serve a huge dinner party, bruh.

 

Have you tried to make a cooling mod for the ssd's? Several have done it. With copper and pads.

 

Negative, I'm all ears. I haven't had a chance to crack open the machine to poke around yet.

 

Maybe find out what headroom you have for copper pads on top of the ssd's. Maybe @Mobius 1 or @pbhenry3 could reach out. Both are familiar with Razerbook's.

 

Interestingly the PM961 runs pretty well with the Blade 14.

The blade pro runs pretty hot because the 3rd small fan just recirculates hot air inside the chassis. However it's not advisable to remove this 3rd fan.

 

What if razer already did?


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You may have the correct mm numbers aka headroom on top of ssd's so a cooling mod can be used. @slimjim8201 need it as you can see... People pay high prices for NVMe ssd's, but get Sata speed due throttling. Damn nice deal Wasted money if you ask me. Rather purchase M.2 Sata ssd's if you buy thin and flimsy. Not the big difference in ordinary workflow. You can't push those MVMe ssd's anyway if they boiling when you use them

 

For real?

 

That's the rumor on the street. I can't recall who posted a pic in another thread but there was absolutely no auxiliary fan.

That and Razer literature mentions nothing of the fan anymore. This was a "feature" of the 2016 RBP.


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You have a picture of that fan being removed? :|

Cost cutting even this far...

 

Considering Buying a Razer Blade Pro

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See... MiniQ was featured on the Razer all along.


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It's a feature. It's designed to do that.

 

After running ATTO tests repeatedly, I can easily get both SSDs into the upper 70 range. I even peaked over 82C on one of them. Despite the undesirable temps, read/write speeds remained rock solid at 3000 MB/sec read and 1750 MB/sec write. ***Note that my drives are not in the default RAID-0 configuration.

 

Perhaps this new SSD temp in HWINFO isn't the actual drive temp we should be concerned with. The other temp stays relatively cool.


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Check with AIDA64 and compare temp. You could also compare newest Hwinfo version with an older one(portable). Click *select a version* below on the download site.

 

Looks like AIDA64 is reporting the lower of the two drive temps available in HWINFO (the original drive temp). These temps are well within the designed operating range of the drive. Max Temps hovered around 48C. Curious where the "new" HWINFO thermocouple is located.

 

Make a account and sign up into the Hwinfo.com/forum. Ask the author Martin about this.

 

Yes razer removed it in the new generation.

 

I have no knowledge of SSd's. Is the Raid 0 format good for long term? I'm hoping this laptop will last me at least 3 years with daily gaming/rendering use.

 

Raid 0 is fastest, yet most insecure of the Raid Options, as each drive contians only one part of the data.

Yet this factshould not influence the longevity of the SSD, which in general is (much) better than one might expect:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/SSD-H...deutlich-ueber-den-Herstellerangaben-1231509/

Sorry it`s german only...

Best regards

phila

 

Do you get any throttling at all when the CPU is overclocked and GPU loaded at the same time? Other than the CPU/GPU itself hitting thermal limits.

Raid 0 will decrease (total) wear on individual SSD, less heat, but not so much speed benefit in 4K QD transfers which is used heavily for editing.

But as always, the raid array may fail. Nothing goes without consequence.

If you need editing laptop, I would suggest you to look at other brands such as Clevo (Hidevolution, LPC), MSi (lots of sellers here), and/or even professional devices such as the HP Zbook or Dell Precision series. My concern with the Blade pro is that the warranty is nonexistent, and the system's cooling is not that powerful to sustain long term daily stress of video rendering.

 

In games (and especially Ghost Recon Wildlands), sometimes my power setting changes from 'high performance' to 'power saver' for 1-2 seconds. Im not sure why this is. And sometimes my GPU clock goes from 1700-1800 down to 300-500...

When I increased the resolution from 1.00 (1080p) to 1.50, the GPU clock is stable and the power setting change becomes more rare.

Hope its not because of thermal limits cause I'm hitting high 70s/low 80s

 

Do you have the razer app running? Should quit that and try again.

 

YOu mean Razer Synapse?

 

yes, try to exit that and replicate the problem

 

Guys please make a video review of the blade pro v2 showing your opinion and some games running in 4k


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Until a video of the V2 gets released, this is the closest you'll get. Keep in mind this model is the i7 6700 HQ