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    Razer Blade Pro 17 2021 RTX 3000

    Discussion in 'Razer' started by Joikansai, Feb 1, 2021.

  1. Warney's World

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    Hi again, just to confirm, the pro 17 has a Mux, not advanced Optimus. You have to restart the system to switch on and off. Razer told me all models have a mux this year apart from the ones with a 144 or 60hz screen. So presumably the 1080p base and the oled panels.

    Asus accidentally told a journalist that Advanced Optimus was "too unstable to implement" before quickly retracting and revising their statement. This might explain why you literally never see it in a device.
     
  2. amihail91

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    I've a 2019 17 Pro here with no MUX unfortunately.
     
  3. Warney's World

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    Sorry I was referring to this year's model. 2019's model was still a powerhouse though
     
  4. Joikansai

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    Thanks for clarification. On their press release they confirmed that 240Hz QHD Blade 15 has advanced Optimus it is most probably because the g sync capable screen, I was also wondering why base 15 has also nvidia only option which means is also capable doing mux.
    https://press.razer.com/product-new...7-with-nvidia-geforce-rtx-30-series-graphics/
    Sidenote, there’s new nvidia driver capable of doing resizable bar, how is it on blade pro, is it on or not? Unfortunately on my 3070 Egpu it’s not capable paired with 10 gen U CPU.
     

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  5. Cerreta28

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    Does any one have a vbois for 3070 I was gonna try to flash it on the 14” system .
     
  6. Joikansai

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    Use MSI bios on blade 14 thread it’s shunt mode 130 watt, the wattage similar with newest pro 17, so you’ll get around same extra performance…and heat ;)
     
  7. Cerreta28

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    great where can I get that 3070 bios ?
     
  8. Joikansai

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    https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/229982/229982
    This is apparently shunt mode from gs66, probably 130 watt, wattage tgp isn’t correctly read, you’ll notice from fans noise and cpu temperature so as long as you do good repasting and maybe repading I think you’re okay. Till yesterday I used it for ca a week it’s fine but I tried default Razer vBios to me it’s quiter on load and cooler FPS on my titles like RDR2 only 5 behind, apparently Razer did increase gpu performance and lower the CPU on latest bios update.
     
  9. Cerreta28

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    Thanks so much will this work in the 15 advanced 3079 as well ?
     
  10. Joikansai

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    Not sure but I could flash 95 watt blade 15 base 3070 without problem to my blade 14.
     
  11. Cerreta28

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    Any chance you have a stock 3070 bios ?
     
  12. Cerreta28

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    Any chance you have a stock 3070 bios
     
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    Maybe it has something to do with mux switch or advanced optimus, the advantage of optimus (only) laptops when doing vbios flash is that internal display still can be accessed by iGPU that control the screen, maybe on mux or advanced optimus one it’ll be glitched with nvidia gpu that can have direct connection to internal.
     
  16. Cerreta28

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    I think that’s that it is because of i run in Optimus screen comes in but then I’m stuck at 60fps . I hope some one can send me the 17” or 15” vbios
     
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    Can someone provide the 130w 16GB 3080 vBios from the new 2021 models?

    I've browsed the TechPowerUp collection but I need something that is both 130w and has HDMI 2.1 support. The 130w ASUS and MSI options result in my HDMI port only supporting HDMI 2.0b.
     
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    I would like to see this as well.

    Did you flash both the ASUS and MSI vbios previously? If so, what kind of performance gains did you see?
     
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    https://reddit.com/r/razer/comments/p6r3hs/blade_17_qhd_3070_11th_gen_intel/

    I think techpowerup also has a download now

    Everything works on the 3070 so far. Have not tried HDMI 2.1 since I only have a 2.0 monitor .

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  20. shardey

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    The one on tech power up right now is the stock vbios.

    Someone posted their 16TB/64GB/i9/3080 17” that I spoke with to dump their vbios for us. Seems like we should be seeing a 130W 3080 16GB bios here soon.
     
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    What is the wattage for the new rtx 3080 Blade 17?
     
  23. shardey

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    130W
     
  24. Jalen9762

    Jalen9762 Notebook Evangelist

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    is there room to push the voltage up in any way?
     
  25. shardey

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    If anything you would want to lower to voltage to reduce temps to keep the clock speeds higher.

    What blade do you have? I’m trying to see about a GPU z screenshot to make sure the early 3080 and mid 3080 have the same device ID so I can flash the 130W onto my blade.
     
  26. Jalen9762

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    I dont have any blade right now, so your saying the temps are high on the blade 17 as is?
     
  27. shardey

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    Im not saying that but my early 2021 3080 doesn’t get over 72C on the GPU while playing cyberpunk. It has the thermal capacity to handle the 130W and I plan on flashing it when I can verify the Device IDs. Not to mention the GPU fan never maxes out so there more potential to the cooling.

    The CPU will run hot but that’s every single gaming laptop out there for the most part.
     
  28. Jalen9762

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    How hot is the CPU getting when running CyberPunk are we talking in the 90's?
     
  29. shardey

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    It depends on the mode I have my CPU set to and if I have turbo boost reduced to about 4GHz it wouldn’t get but in the high 70s but with no limits usually it may touch into the 90s but wouldn’t hold it there.

    This high CPU temp isn’t limited to the Razer. I had a Maingear Vector pro with a 11800H/165w 3080 and it was in the 90s, an AMD strix advantage with the 5900hx/6800m and it hit in the 90s.
     
  30. johnnobts

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    Have an early 2021 Blade 17 3080 coming this Friday (price was too good with 2 year warranty), like $1000 cheaper than the new 11th gen update. Would love to see if can flash the 3080 from 90w to 130w as well. please share if anyone has had success in this.
     
  31. Jalen9762

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    but am I correct here the early version of the Blade 17 only has 8gb VRAM correct?
     
  32. Darkhan

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    Correct.
     
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    does make any difference to performance? because the i9-1100h 4k variant has 16gb VRAM.
     
  34. shardey

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    I have a 17” 10875h 3080 4K/120hz and it came with 16GB VRAM. So it depends on the model since the 17” FHD has only 8GB of VRAM.
     
  35. Jalen9762

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    yes my question is does the difference of 8gb and 16gb VRAM show in performance when gaming
     
  36. shardey

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    I quoted your previous post because you received only a partial answer. I personally didn’t know they came with both 8/16GB depending on screen resolution.

    I would assume it depends on your graphics and resolution. 1440p on cyberpunk takes around 7GB VRAM.

    If you’re only running 1080P, then I wouldn’t think the VRAM will make a difference since it wouldn’t be getting to 8GB of usage.
     
  37. Jalen9762

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    I see the thing is I don't want a 4k touch screen tho because the screen shows way too much reflection, but I will have no choice if I want 16gb VRAM.

    Sent from my SM-F916U1 using Tapatalk
     
  38. Jalen9762

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    Will there be a new version of the blade 17 in early January 2022?
     
  39. Jalen9762

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    were u able to see if you can flash the vbios to 130w with your blade?
     
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    I know you weren’t directing that towards me but for some reason my GPU (16GB 3080/10875h setup) has been hitting 130W while gaming and I haven’t even flashed the new bios yet. In the NVIDIA control panel it shows it at 100W which is what it’s suppose to be.

    The guy on Reddit never posted a device ID for the 130W bios in his mid 2021 so I’ve been hesitant to flash it.

    I’m also wondering if someone with a 8GB 3080 should reconsider flashing since it’s a 16GB vbios.
     
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    I haven't tried flashing mine, it's a 16gb 3080 as well
     
  42. shardey

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    The person on Reddit hasn’t posted anything since the bios upload. Tried messaging as well with no response.

    As soon as that device ID comes up I’ll be willing to flash mine.
     
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    Question, is the early 2021 razer rtx 3080 worth $2200? Or should I get the latest 2021 razer rtx 3080?
     
  44. shardey

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    What size and screen is in it?

    I bartered with my 16” MacBook and cash to get an early 2021 17” with the 120hz/4K screen for a net total of $2200. It was still in its package and unused.
     
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    The early model is 100w on the GPU and the new one is 130w on the GPU. The new one is noticeably faster. You could get the newer 3070 model and still be faster honestly. I think if you could get a better deal on the older one I'd change my mind on that.
     
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    Well I'm not too sure if I'm going to be flashing the 130W VBIOS from the 2021 3080.

    I attached both a screenshot between my 100W and the 130W mid 2021. I noticed my 100W is using pcie 4.0 16x vs 8x on the 130W. The other difference is that the stock clock speed is 900MHz (100W) vs 930MHz (130W).

    I have seen my 100W 3080 boost to 130~ watts while gaming so I don't see what I would stand to gain by flashing this new bios unless the core clocks and memory can be overclocked to a higher degree.

    3080 100W.gif 3080 130W.gif
     
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  47. seanwee

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    Its still effectively a Max-q card for all intents and purposes, thats why the memory clock is unchanged. Power limit boosting isn't reflected in the stock clock speeds, it affects boost clock speeds.

    And forget about the pcie lane differences shown, the boost you'll get from having a higher power limit will be more than any performance penalty you might get going from 4.0 x16 to 4.0 x8 which i doubt is even a correct reading.
     
  48. shardey

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    I’ve seen my 3080 pull 130w while gaming so I’m unsure what the difference between the vbios is other than the stock clocks.

    What would be a good test is someone running timespy with the performance set to max in the synapse panel and I could make a comparison and see what the performance difference is, if any.
     
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    A 100w vbios can peak at 130w+ for a split second and it will register as 130w+ max power draw, that doesn't mean it pulls 130w sustained.
     
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    I ended up flashing the 130W and noticed it does pull more power during gaming but with timespy I’m still getting around 11.5K with the power consumption not hitting over 108W.

    I saw a peak of 137W during cyberpunk and temps were still in the low 70s with my profile set to boost. Doesn’t get over 60C in timespy with the fans maxed out.
     
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