[Guide] Upgrading P150HM with 2960XM....and overclocking it!

hm, try installing those SQL packages linked to in the first post. also, check and see if the issue persists with different versions of xtu. 3.0/3.2/4.0, maybe more current ones, if available. the 2.1 is just the one that offers the most functions on the HM series laptops

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i install 32bit then 64bit and same message pop up. i am not going to try newer versions of xtu as i am using 3610qm and i want to oc my ram only. dont know what happen.

 

you'll only notice the increase in benchmark scores. in real life usage you wont notice the speed increase that much. I had the slightly quicker 2760qm (not 2670qm) and upgraded to 2960xm. wasn't impressed so put the 2760qm back in and sold the 2960xm.

 

I play a lot off multiplayer. BF3, Planetside 2 and I will get BF4. I plan on upgrading my gpu in some manor, to 7970m at least.
Even today, with 6990m, my cpu is the bottleneck in Planetside 2. I can set the graphics to almost whatever I want, as soon as there is a big fight my fps is at 28-30 bound by cpu. If I put a 7970m or even a 780m in there I fear I won't benefit from the extra power much, if all, in multiplayer games.

That's why I'm even considering it. I agree I probably won't notice any difference in real life usage or single player games. But I want to upgrade my HM to last, and that seems to require a stronger cpu as well for me (which bums me a bit since I was assured 2670qm would never bottleneck a 6990m). And that's why I'm trying to get a number on how much faster the 2960xm really is, is it worth the extra cash over 2860qm and how much performance increase can I expect.

 

The 2760qm was the best Bang for the Buck After his Release... I Run the 7970m with the 2760qm, the Gaming power etc is awesome

 

The extreme is only going to be more relevant next gen from a strictly gaming point of view.

 

I dont quite follow Meaker, next gen cpu after Haswell? And why not until then?

 

I mean if you want to upgrade to the next graphics generation, it's likely that the other chips such as the 2670 will start holding that class of card back.

 

Ah thats what I was thinking too.

 

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generally, u can calculate approximately 50% loss of worth when it comes to such tech. so something in the range of 700-900 wouldnt be unrealistic i guess.

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considering the old slow i7 2760qm and GTX 580M, though u got 240g ssd, £600 is fair

 

Wouldn't call the 2760qm slow??? Performance is actually close to the new haswell 4700.

Probably get closer to £800.

 

thats not quite correct im afraid. ive kept an eye on mobile cpu performance numbers and it seems like my oced 2960xm at 4.7ghz boost juuust manages to draw a tie with the haswell 4700MQ at stock so yeah, the 2760qm should be considerably slower in comparison... although still not bottlenecking any mobile gpu as of yet, but that might change with the maxwell nextgen.

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I didn't say it was the same i said it was close. I have a laptop with a 2760qm and a new one with the 4700mq and there's not much difference in real performance. 5-10% difference.

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its definitely way more when comparing raw cpu performance. those 5-10% are most likely just the difference in games i presume? or what are those based on?
i was talking about wprime/3dmark physics scores/cinebench 11.5/pcmark7 etc.

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Haswell is that fast? I didn't know, that's pretty impressive.

 

Have you got a 4700mq?

Here's a benchmark. Passmark 8 cpu test is 8500 for 2760qm, 4700mq is 8900.

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well, concerning the synthetic benchmarks given in the OP i rechecked the results on notebookcheck and that would place my oced 2960XM between a 3940XM and a 4900MQ at stock clocks. whereas real-life gaming wise id say my cpu is much lower in performance...

@davepearson: well thats the problem in singleing out one benchmark, since they potentially differ greatly. for example, in Super Pi i can beat even the fastest desktop cpu at stock but when running cinebench 11.5 multicore i only rank 20th in the notebookcheck cpu list (desktop & notebook cpus included).

all in all, its difficult to say how much of a performance difference there is, depending on the situation (games vs. synthetic benches vs. real life tools). here are some benches by computerbase to get a better picture:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...haswell-prozessoren-fuer-notebooks-im-test/7/

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...haswell-prozessoren-fuer-notebooks-im-test/5/

and no, i dont have a 4700MQ

 

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Wherever you live, Im envious. Id be lucky to sell mine for 200 € in Sweden :/

 

what? why restrict urself to sweden? just offer it worldwide on ebay and start the auction at 1€. also make sure to include a description in english one more thing to expand ur audience of potential buyers is to set the maximum auction length of 10 days and let it end on a sunday afternoon, when most people are sitting at home trust me, with that strategy ive always gotten my price expectations fulfilled thus far!

and no, upping the starting bid will NOT result in a better end price, it rather scares off buyers who would otherwise start bidding and stick to your auction! its all about 'market penetration' (in ur case the market being the bidders) and drawing as much attention as possible to ur offer

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200€... I spose you neighbours ain't too keen on buying second hand then...
I see "gaming laptops" with gtx560m selling (or at least trying to sell) for around 1k€ all the time here in Finland.

 

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critical event 41 Kernel Power
I was getting randome shut downs with this error , about half of the time it was occuring while playing BF3. Assuming that my power supply was the problem , I started downclocking my CPU . running the CPU @ 3.0 GHZ seems to fix the problem. then to my surprise I got the same shut down while just playing an mp-3 , so I did some digging online
verdict , It seems that it was a conflict with audio drivers. in (device manager) ,(sound video and game controllers) I had an AMD high definition audio device and a high definition audio device driver running at the same time . after disabling the AMD high definition audio device . I have not had a crash running BF3 @ full overclock

cpu 2920XM @4.2GHZ
240W Dell powersupply
6990M GPU

my CPU temperatures were creeping up from the origional 93C max into the 99C range during prime 95 stress tests , around 3 months after I installed my 2920XM CPU , monthly cleaning of my fans and radiators didnt seem to healp , I was very surprised when a re-paste of the CPU solved the problem (origional and re-paste were done using Tuniq TX-2)
I was surprised to see thermal paste lose its thermal transfer efficiency in 3 months. re-paste often (pea or rice method only)
another note . I found a Sunon MagLev Cooling Fan on amazon for around 12 dollars , it is 25x25x6 mm . this means it will fit between the CPU and the bottom access cover inside the case of this laptop , even with the added heatsink mod.

 

A 6990M and 2920XM should not make the 240W struggle after all.

Which paste did you use?

 

ive already heard several user reports here on nbr stating that thermal pastes use their efficiency when theres a serious oc involved on the cpu that makes it creep above 90C for longer periods of time. so yeah, frequent repastes are a must if u wanna keep up such clocks

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guy in the week i ll receive the 240watt dell psu.also i have one spare 120watt psu.is it possible to put the cable from 120watt psu to the 240watt one or i need the cable from the 180watt psu?thx.

edit:also when i installed 2960xm 2 days ago and run 3dmark11 first time i got high physics-combined score.now i runned today and got almost -600 both combined and physics score.why?

high score



low score

 

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I would not want to push over 200W down that thin bit of cable :/

 

the 180watt psu cable is also thin or u tell me that for the adaptor above?

 

The listed adapter, the cable from a 180W should be a thick enough gauge, ofc I have not seen every 180W adapter in the world so YMMV.

 

what about the cable from 120watt adapter?also my friend why i have so lower physics score now in 3dmark 11?i saw others with 2960xm have way higher score than me!..see this guy physics score and look mine.also in vantage i only get 18750 cpu score same score like my previous cpu 2720qm.

mine

AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-2960XM Processor,CLEVO P170HMx

the other guy

AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-2960XM Processor,Alienware M18xR1

edit:i found a setting in throttlestop EIST.when i unchecked it my scores are way higher tha previous scores.cpu vantage score 20580 and 3dmark 11 score physics like 7350.i read that EIST is Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology.is it safe to disable it?

here is with EIST off all stock gpu -cpu.room temp 29 celsious.

Vantage



3Dmark11



edit:i just run some game tests and in some games like gta iv(full modded with enb-textures,etc),assasins creed 3 and fallout 3 & vegas(again full modded with texture packs and enb) i got like 8-9 fps boost and in some areas 10-11 fps boost with EIST off.so big difference and that with stock speeds gpu and cpu.and some other games like metro last light my min fps raised a bit like 4-5 fps.

 

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What did you use to test it though?

 

First of all thanks for this great guide.

I did follow your guide and now I have an overclockable 2960xm thanks to you guys. I could "only" overclock to 4,6ghz, very happy with it, but I've seen that because of the limited TDP, I changed it in XTU but "good old" ThrottleStop says I'm stuck on 55/62, my processor only gets <3ghz in mutithreaded aplications.

I'm asking you for the modded bios, I can't PM Prema for his permission so I'm here asking for your time. Thanks.


Ah, have you noticed that changing the multiplayer in TT did actually change cpu multiplayer for 2,3,4 threats?

 

so why this difference with EIST off(intel speedstep)?

 

it's an energy savings system so I suppose the difference comes from the short while that it takes for the processor to go from speed a to speed b between different loads... I could be wrong tho.

 

Don't use those jumper cable converters.

The wire can handle the current, the issue is the tip cannot and it will melt/burn your nice laptop...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...-220w-power-supply-p150em-19.html#post9290217

I spoke with the manufacture and the tip is rated for a MAX of 5-6amp continuous load. The stock 180w is rated for MAX of 10. This is because thicker wire (though not much) but more important better tip.

I do not know if the 120w vs 180w use same thickness wire and same tips to comment on them.

That said the 180w PSU only puts out about 9.5A and the 240w can do a little over 11 so I don't think much risk using the old cable on higher wattage. I wouldn't put it on 300w bu 240w should be safe. Just not with these cheap adapters or cables.

 

guys today i received the 240watt dell psu.to mod it i just cut the jack from 180watt psu and then one from 240watt then i joined the 2 cables each one with electrical tape and for last thing i used electrical tape again again over them.also dell psu had a 3rd smaller wire that i just cut it and cover it with tape again connected nowhere.is that good or i have a problem?

edit:the laptop works fine both overclocked gpu and cpu for some tests but i think i did it the bad way...what can i do now?order new 180watt psu and try again?

 

I would say that wasn't the best thing to do but end of the day it's your call.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/681885-recommed-180w-220w-power-supply-p150em.html has some pics of a user who opened two PSU to swap the cables. They used a 120w PSU which I wouldn't do as the tip is lower rated but we don't have many options at the moment.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...orrect-connector-around-lets-do-properly.html also has some info too

The best way seems to be open a 180w, remove the cable and open the 240w and swap, but a 180w PSU with the right cable is $80-100. Kinda crummy to pay that much for just a wire but so far every wire and tip I have found is rated for 6A max and the stock 180w PSU cable is rated for 10A and we are just trying to pull around 11A through it which should be fine but overdoing the 6A cable/tips is not safe/good neither.

 

is there any chance that the cables go lose and end up take fire or something?also i have a spare 120watt psu but like u said the cable is 6A max.i read those threads now but the mistake was done..maybe solder them then use electrical tape will be better?

 

It is possible it could fall apart since you just taped them. Basically the cable will probably get a little warm in that spot under full load and electrical tape warm can get sticky and start to unwrap or melt etc.

Since you already did this I would say best way would be get some of that wire shrink wrap stuff you can slide the wires through, try to do a clean solder and not make too big of a solder bubble but good enough that everything won't pull apart if you do a little tug. Slide the shrink wrap tube over and shrink it (usually with a lighter or something real quick). After that I would say you can wrap each wire with a little electrical tape and than the hole thing together, or put one of them core things over it you can find.


Or instead of the electrical table you could use larger wire shrink wrap. Basically smaller one over each individual wire, and a larger one over the total thing. Just don't forget they have to side on before you join the wires... I have used them before and after felt like a fool as I forgot to slide them on first hah.

 

The biggest risk is sparks melting the insulation, shorting out and starting a fire.

 

this will happen if laptop is working?so i open the cables again and solder them now first.then i covered them one by one with electrical tape after that i cover its one with wire shrink wrap and again all the way with electrical tape.maybe its safer now?

 

guys today i received a new clevo p150hm psu from here.

power supply / AC adapter 180 Watt for Clevo P150HM: battery, power supply, display, etc - Laptop Repair Shop

i gone to a technician and solder the clevo cable to the 240watt dell psu.

the problem i have is that cpu draws a bit lower power than before.look pics pls.i also have little drop at cpu scores.

3DMark 11 with previous cable(the jack was cut off form clevo cable and soldered to dell cable)



3DMark 11 with new 180watt psu cable soldered at base of 240w dell psu



why that difference is watt consuption for cpu?it has something to do with the cable?btw im running a bios from Prema with this TDP.

 

Depends how good the soldering job is, if the contacts are not great it will still generate a lot of heat, that heat will melt the insulation which then fails, the wires are then free to short with each other and the best case is the PSU detects the short and it shuts off.

 

I just purchased a 2960XM from ebay Very excited about this.
It´s my first major upgrade in a laptop so I am a bit nervous about the installation. At first I´ll probably just enjoy the boost at stock speed, too much of a chicken to flash it into a P170HM to oc it. Maybe in the future as a last resort instead of buying a new system, we´ll see.
As I´ve mentioned I´m heavily cpu-bound in Planetside 2 and I hope this´ll push me into more enjoyable framerates. It´s also an attempt at futureproofing my P150HM as I will pick up a gpu-upgrade one way or another (go Prema :thumbsup: )

 

I have the 2920xm and absolutely love it. I'm using prema's 70/80/32s. It's a very simple upgrade and congratulations on your recent purchase. Don't be nervous, it's only 10-15 minutes tops if you take your time. It's 4 screws off the back, 3 screws off the cpu fan, and 4 screws on the heatsink. Twist the lock on the housing, take out the old chip, put the new one in, lock it down, apply paste, and place the heatsink. Then screw down everything and done.

 

10-15 minutes, that can´t include the cleaning can it? I´m scheduling an hour for this

This is my first repaste. Can I boot directly after or does the paste need some time first?

Do we have to take the cpu fan off? Didn´t look like it in the op. Also, in the service manual there is a small warning that the WLAN module has to be removed as not to damage the pins. That part doesn´t even seem to be close to the cpu?