7970m overheating? np9170 can easily reach 90 °C?

I thought the laptops were already propped up by rubber domes? I guess that isn't enough, lol.

Either way we have TURBO FAN MODE (fn + 1 for those who don't know)

 

Didn't work on mine

 

Turbo Fan worked for me. Thanks for that tip, awakeN!

 

hrm pressing fn + 1 isn't doing anything for me... there's no marking on the key, is this only for certain rebrands?

 

It's for the previous 81x0 series.

 

Does that mean the Sager ones still have the Turbo Fan function on the P150EM?

 

What is with so many people having over heating issues with the 7970M? Is this normal or are there many defective cards?

 

i'm debating repasting mine today just incase it is a bad paste job

 

I wouldnt debate it, its very easy to do and offers instant temp reduction. I'ev shaved off over 10c from my temps in 2 minutes that it took to repaste.

 

To the people that are repasting, did you already have the IC Diamond paste upgrade?

 

I didn't get that particular upgrade, my supplier offered arctic mx-4 which i went for... I've just bought today though some arctic silver 5 which although not quite as good as the diamond stuff was the only thing in stock at my local computer supplier

Will be repasting in a min!

 

i order the diamond paste and the GPU can hit over 90 degrees when running furmark. the fan has a turbo mode which kicks in once the temp reaches 91 or above. it drops below 90 reapidly and the fan go back to non-turbo mode, then the temp rises above 90 and the fan once again enter turbo mode and the temp drops and the fan slow down and temp rises again.......repeat and repeat.........

 

ok well that was a complete waste of time, i actually hit 100C on that run - made it worse if anything, although it is hotter in this room today...

 

how did you repaste? did you remove the existing compound completely first? How much of new paste did you apply?

 

yeah i completely cleaned the old stuff off using the correct chemicals, it shined nicely after, gave it a good polish... and I'd say a blob of around 5mm in size in the centre then pushed the heat sink back in place, and screwed it on, i might try again, to see if it ended up being too much paste or too little perhaps...

i did the same to the cpu and that's turned out fine, not any hotter at least though i wasn't really monitoring that one before hand.

 

something isnt right there, mine has the same heatsink / gpu / fan, but is running a lot cooler.

 

According to benchmarks review 80-way thermal paste test (which is easily the best review of thermal paste on the internet). Arctic Silver 5 is the 2nd best you can get. It takes about 200 hours to set properly though, which would result in a 5-10c drop. A+ category. IC diamond however is a A- category. If i was anyone (also from when i lifted up my heatsinks and examined their paste job) I would go out get some AS 5 ($10~) and repaste. These machines seem to require a good amount because i think the heatsinks do not make amazing contact.

 

So do you think it's possible I used too little to get results I just got?

 

I saw that you thought it strange that vrams do not have individual thermal pads in the 7970m. Do you will fix it?

 

I think it's there after a hard hard look (i wasn't able to unscrew it) And it just seems like they are really really thin. I think they require fatter ones to do a bit better temp drops.

 

Well, if you decide to change your thermal pads, please share the results with us

 

Sorry to bust in on the thread, but its a bit unclear from reading the thread so I thought I'd ask. Is it the consensus here that the 7970 has an overheating problem in the 150em, 170em, or both? At least as it arrives from the retailer? Or does it look like individual suppliers are "hit or miss" on proper gpu heatsink installation..ie. pasting?

As always, thx in advance.

seer

 

Ok I repasted, that seems better than the first attempt, around 96 again in kombuster, interestingly I decided to also run furmark which appears to not quite load the GPU as much, as that only hit 91c tops - so perhaps we all need to be running the same program under the same settings as well.

Anyway, just to show some pics of my repaste with AS5:

After cleaning:







The paste itself:



Application:





Heat sink re-applied







Sorry about the large number of images, but I think that's about as good as I can get this, and just wanted others to see what I've done, and yet still unable to cool it down much - hopefully we'll see some better results in a few days though if it takes quite a long time for this paste to settle.

 

It takes around 200hours for the paste to settle but even then you will only see around 5 degrees C of difference, and also that looks to be a little too much paste. Generally you only need a very thin layer of paste on the core, the paste is mainly used to fill in the micro holes and not provide a layer between heatsink and core. If unsure try putting the heatsink on and applying a little pressure, take the heatsink off and then inspect to see if the paste goes all the way to the edge, what about thermal tape, is it covering all of the necessary components? Last thing is checking the heatsink and heatsink fan itself, check to see if there is nothing blocking the airflow from the bottom of the case through the fan and out the back fins. Also remember to double check that the fan is not faulty, listen for the fan or have the bottom off and physically check that the fan is spinning properly, it might be faulty or need lubrication or even a replacement, I have fixed many fans before with vaseline in the bearings and they run quieter and more efficient. Lastly, though it has never occurred, the heatpipes themselves might be faulty and not making optimal contact with either the heatsink or the heatsink fins. Might be best to get the manufacturer to fix this. Desperate option is to RMA it.

Regards.

 

What is the best cooling compound? Some body mentioned Arctic MX-4, is that it?

 

for me i am better. original ic diamond

 

YUP - One more for the not worried club. This thread and issue has brought false insecurities to the group. 90C big deal - don't worry about it. I have my processor overclocked to 3.6Ghz and rock solid. Fan kicks on from time to time playing Diablo III. Civ 5 runs great. On Furmark I was able to push it close to 95C. "Ewwww..." AutoCad opens up with as many files as I can manage with the 16G memory and no hesitation with anything. (Though I'm primarily low res 2d electrical diagrams.) Just an awesome machine - don't worry about the heat. Use the machine and enjoy it. If it breaks, turn it in under warrantee.

Attached are my screen shots based on your settings and stock intel overclock pic of the 3720QM

 

apparently mx4 isnt that good as its very prone to air bubbles forming between cpu and heatsink.

 

AFAIK Noctua NT-H1

 

maybe you have to replace the original thermal pad ...

 

I think you're right, after repasting twice due to this thread just to see, I think I need to stick to my original conclusion that this card runs hot, there's not artifacting, or crashing or any other issues, it's time to not worry tbh, if mine happens to cool down after 200 hours great, if not, well the thing still works!

Oh and in reply to those asking about the thermal paste to use, we were saying Arctic Silver 5 is among the best 2nd I believe, not sure what first is..

 

IceHot, you've started a positive trend with your reports and statements. I and a few others are believers, too. “The system just runs hot and there is no cause for alarm.”

It may seem extreme that a lot of you have been repasting and this or that, but hey, it’s cheap insurance and you’re doing the community a service by helping us understand the thermal operating parameters of the chip. The fact is there is no published data on 2970M cards operating temp in the P170EM chassis and its configurations. Let's get a pile of temp recordings and then we can start to listen to peoples cooling mods or this or that. But right now it's about stock temps on a "Standard" setup that is easy for everyone to interpret. I like the Komubster because it is straight forward and stresses the chip out enough to get us measurable results, but not too much to do any possible harm if someone does have a bad setup. "I know the MW3 guys are going to want more stress, but this is a start."

ANYONE: if you have a P170EM with a 7970M, please;

Setup MSI Kombuster to Direcdt 3D11 , Run test for ~ 8:11 and take a screen shot, Snip-it, picture, whatever and post your results.

If possible post picture and copy and amend the log file below to add your name and results to the list. (there’s probably a better way to do this, but it’s a start.)


Icehot, June 16, 2012: FPS: 112 (Min:83, Max:146, avg:114)
Stability Test – frames =56142 – Elapsed time=00:8.11
GPU Load 99% GPU Temp 96C


Littlecx, June 18, 2012: FPS: 112 (Min:103, Max:121, avg:114)
Stability Test – frames =58595 – Elapsed time=00:8.33
GPU Load 99% GPU Temp 90C

UncleRico, June 19, 2012: FPS: 117 (Min:97, Max:126, avg:114)
Stability Test – frames =56470 – Elapsed time=00:8.16
GPU Load 97% GPU Temp 89C

 

What about posting the ambient temperature of the room in which the benchmarking was done? I would expect a few degrees difference in a dry and air conditioned house at 70 degrees versus a hot and humid one at 80.

 

Are you sure that Kombustor is actually running on 7970m instead of the HD4000 as it says on the screenshot?

The reason I am asking is, that I've just ran it on my desktop 670OC, and my results are 5x (min:640, max:720, avg:675) and I am pretty sure the 670 is not 5x than 7970m.

 

Positive, it runs at around 20fps with the built in graphics... u sure ur running the same settings? 720p gpu burn in on direct3d 11?

 

As far as I can see, yes.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/k670.png

 

I dunno if today is hotter but it's hitting 102c then throttling today, really weird, I know the fan is working it gets to 100% and i can feel the amount of heat being pumped out the back, so you would guess the heat transfer is also working correctly cos it's very hot air coming out of it..

edit: interestingly I just tried it on a different surface and it only hits 97c

 

Now you're getting into dangerous temperature territories. What is your ambient room temperature?

 

Phew, false alarm. Apparently I was running an older version of Kombustor.

Here are the 2.3 results, which put the 7970m very close to the desktop 670OC

Imageshack - k67023.png

Also, its not on the screenshot, but after 8 minute run, my GPU temperatures were 77C. This is on a Gigabyte 670OC Windforce, which has pretty good cooling, so 90C in a notebook looks completely normal.

 

I think it's around 26c but I don't have a thermometer in here atm, only in the kids room and they're asleep so not disturbing them

Not sure what else I can do tbh, wish i never repasted.

 

ok one more paste attempt i think, and this time I'm gonna do it like i've always done it in the past, spread a thin layer with my credit card, that way I know exactly how much is on there

 

What are the normal temps for these new cards? Do they all really run so hot in Clevo builds? The guys over in the Alienware forums never seem to go over 80c, but this thread has people hitting 90 and just going up and up and up... 102c? That's crazy. Even my old POS with 1 insufficient fan doesn't go abolve 96c on Furmark...

Can anyone else comment on Clevo's normal operating temps and benchmark heat stress tests?

 

ok repaste number 3, extremely thin layer, spread evenly all over the gpu, took a lot of time to ensure no gaps, and that it was a very smooth application, put the heatsink on it, and i could feel it made contact with the thermal paste, and yet still the temps remain the same, hit 100c after 9 mins of kombuster, granted that took about 5 minutes longer than last time to reach that temp, perhaps cos it's recycling the hot air it's pumping out...

 

I hit 90 C in Unigine Heaven at 1080p maximum settings --> NP9150. By this point, I would say a trend exists.

 

This is really disappointing. Do the Nvidia cards also run this hot? I don't want to invest nearly 2 grand in a laptop that will prematurely kill itself because it runs so damn hot >_>

 

Well i am currently on my 3rd run of the furmark 15 minute test and I am sitting at a constant 91c every run. we need more people posting temps to get a better idea here.

As a side note I don't know why everyone runs kombuster when its just rebadged furmark? or am i missing something?

 

AFAIK, it is just easier to install it because MSI packages Kom with Afterburner.

 

Can someone post a benchmark with the gtx 675m, with the heat ofc? Thanks

 

I'm getting my system Friday hopefully. I'll run furmark and post the results as well as the benchmark results Mythlogic included in the package. I was under the impression that this card ran a little cooler than what I've seen here and now I'm curious.

 

Ya 90 degrees seems to be what I get too. With Anno 2070 I hit 90 degrees, no problem.

If Sager did a bad paste job on all these that would be rather poor quality. I ordered the IC Diamond upgrade too.