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    7970m overheating? np9170 can easily reach 90 °C?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by spettow, Jun 12, 2012.

  1. truekiller28

    truekiller28 Notebook Consultant

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    Don't know what he's using, but MSI Afterburner is fine.
     
  2. icehot

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    Interestingly Afterburner won't see the temps on my 7970m, I'm having to use hwinfo64.. Weirdly kombuster does show the temps, not sure why the difference.
     
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    Those are actually rather insane temperature drops... I might have to order myself some of that.
     
  5. icehot

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    Ordered! Willing to try anything at this point, will be delivered tomorrow, so I'll test it tomorrow night and report my findings :)
     
  6. SoundOf1HandClapping

    SoundOf1HandClapping Was once a Forge

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    I use GC-Extreme. I don't know how good it is from a material standpoint, but it comes with a useful spreader tool and it goes on easy as butter.
     
  7. TrantaLocked

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    Hey Forge, how did you apply your paste (small dab and then pressure, several dabs, or smooth over like butter?) and what are your temps/change in temps from previous?
    BTW I am also in the Bay Area. I'm going to be a first year at SJSU.
     
  8. SoundOf1HandClapping

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    I spread it manually. Make sure I get a nice even spread. At stock in a 70F room, I hit 82C after 16 minutes of Furmark. I didn't do a test with just a paste change. By then I had overclocked and done hardware mods (Moar Coppah™ and Moar Holez™ ;).

    I'm sure just the paste change helped, though. When I was cleaning off the die, it was sloppy and excess stock paste was all over the place.

    And nice. Represent, brother.
     
  9. gcrain

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    Who did your paste job?
     
  10. SoundOf1HandClapping

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    Well, remember I'm just cruising around the Clevo forums. I don't actually own one.

    Anyway, my paste was bone stock from MSI.
     
  11. Blacky

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    I use Shinetsu X-23 :D.
     
  12. truekiller28

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    Yes this is definitely weird that Afterburner doesn't show temps and Kombuster does. Can't remember if there was 32 and 64 bits version in the .zip installer from MSI... Can't tell where's the problem from :confused:
     
  13. marine0089

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    I've had Afterburner not show temps before, usually just need to start Kombustor to make the GPU active then restart Afterburner. Picks it up fine then.

    I put this down to enduro actually disabling the GPU all together (not just throttling it) so these monitoring programs are having a hard time knowing it's there.
     
  14. hihihehe

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    tried max payne 3 with everything maxed(including highest AA) and the fps is around 70-75. temp average is 70c and the highest is 82c but only last for few seconds.
    does that sound normal?
     
  15. bn880

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    Hmm, it seems that actually the 170EM + 7970M is set up to work in the 90C range as the fan only maxes out at ~91 degrees.

    I get teh same results, hovering around 90 to 92 degrees in the 8 minute Kombustor test.

    I have to admit that I'm not terribly worried about it.
     
  16. TrantaLocked

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    90C is 194 Degrees Fahrenheit; 100C is the boiling point of water.
     
  17. bn880

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    ^ yes it is. There are online calculators and so are physical/chemical properties of various elements/substances, don't think that we need to post those details here. :p
     
  18. dasgnurgen

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    I was hoping to get some feedback from sager and some other builders about this topic. I'm really curious to hear exactly what they have to say about this.
     
  19. icehot

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    Righty... now this is impressive...

    I have done 3 things this morning since getting my GELID GC-Extreme paste in the post.

    Firstly, I used the new paste, nice stuff with a good applicator, be warned though the stuff seems to dry up quickly

    Secondly, I bent the sprung retainer clips on the heatsink back a little bit just to allow it to apply more downward pressure when screwed in hence making hopefully better contact

    Thirdly, I used the thinnest layer you could possibly get away with on the GPU as perhaps I was using too much before.

    Here are the results, bear in mind I was hitting 102c after 8.5 mins of kombuster:

    [​IMG]

    Not bad huh?? Knowing it will never ever hit those temps in reality makes me feel much better about this, a rough 8 to 9c temp drop, and it is a warm day today, I'd say our office here is around 26c. Also it only just hit the 93c once on the 8 min mark.

    Still makes me think though that these laptops are meant to make it run at around 90c especially as the 100% fan only kicks in once it gets beyond that.
     
  20. Hetion

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    I must have gotten lucky or something, but I'm getting similar results to you icehot, and I just have the IC Diamond pre-installed, and the drivers that came with the system. It got up to about 92C before 100% fan speed kicked in, then it dropped and hovered around 89 C-91C.
     
  21. dimd00d

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    Another +1 for GC-Extreme.

    I've got my 150em today and Kombuster was running 96-97C in 24C ambient. This is supposedly with 'high quality Arctic Silver'. I've opened the notebook, cleaned the compound (there was a *ton* of it) and repasted with GC. Steady 90C!

    There was another nasty surprise inside the notebook, but I am waiting for an answer from the vendor before I decide what to do.
     
  22. Blacky

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    Was it a cockroach ?
     
  23. dimd00d

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    Yeah, held with electrical tape between one of the many relay's contacts. Or not.
     
  24. Anddo24

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    The P170E
    reseller:XoticPC

    I hit as high as 87c today. Then again it is low 90's in in NYC. My temps at the moment seem normal 68c/73c.
     
  25. misterhobbs

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    I hit 87C on the 15 minute 1080p Furmark burn in test.
     
  26. Goombaypunch

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    any one else got temps top report? We need to get an average for these cards....
     
  27. p1n0yBaLLeR

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    i reached 95C on BF3 max settings and overclocked to 900/1400. it was only one round of rush game.
     
  28. omnivor

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    I hit 90C as well, after about 20mins of playing Tera with everything maxed except for AA (which I turned off). This game is supposedly pretty easy on the GPU also, so it's pretty alarming.
     
  29. Goombaypunch

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    keep em coming. I'm in the mid 90c as well, gonna try repaste once i get my Gelid Extreme Performance GC3 and IC Diamond 7 paste. I'll see whats better
     
  30. icehot

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    I tell ya what this gelid stuff is getting better, 89c today... though I have noticed something very interesting, I was really paying attention to the fan speeds, and on occasion in this test run the temps would hit 92/93c and as soon as it did the fan speed picked up and brought the temps back down to 89c, then the fan speed lowered again... If the fan speed is meant to lower at 89c I think that kinda says it all:

    [​IMG]
     
  31. 3Stars&ASun

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    I just hit a maximum gpu temp of 85C playing bf3 on 4xMSAA ultra @ 900/1400 after one TDM round on the new close quarters map. My FPS are bouncing around 30-65 FPS and at one time went all the way down to 17 FPS for a second... even when I put everything on medium settings no antialialising I was expecting to have like 60 lowest FPS but no it still bounces around 30-60.

    Are you guys getting any performance gains at all from overclocking with bf3 on muliplayer maps? even when lowering settings? It seems no matter what I do I always get 30-60 FPS and always changing never stable FPS. is this normal for amd cards?
     
  32. dimd00d

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    Yeah, my fan profile is set the same way.
     
  33. TR2N

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    That is weird. My 6990m has stable 45fps and does not budge in one scene. In another it will drop to 35fps and hold stable and in another around 65 fps and stable.
    Not sure what is going on with 7990m. Lot's of issues from undervolting, to black screens, to overheating.
     
  34. 3Stars&ASun

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    12.7 beta are not official drivers, they only support 7970m bur doesn't
    mean it will now run it right including enduro. i will try installing throttlestop and see if my fps becomes any stable. even when vsync is on it is never stable, sometimes gets massive lag down to 20 fps for 5 seconds then goes back to average 45.
     
  35. gcrain

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    It's true for every video card I have used in the past 14 years. If vsync is on and your FPS is higher than your refresh rate then you will get stable FPS.
     
  36. bn880

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    That's odd, I had temps of 90-92 with IC7, repasted with Arctic Silver 5 and now it's much much worse. Temps hover at 100C with fan at even higher speed and never come down. I've tried to repaste 3 times to make sure I had no air bubbles and good spread, and that's the best I could get with AS5.

    How did you apply your arctic?
     
  37. bn880

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    It really seems consistent here that people who repaste with Arctic Silver get terrible results with the 7970M.

    My experience (Kombustor)

    IC7 Diamond decent factory application: 90-92C with fan not completely maxed out
    Arctic Silver 5 careful user application (spread was best): 97-101C with fan at max

    Will have to get some Gelid like icehot did
     
  38. jclausius

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    Did you get in the 200 or so hours for the AS5 "break-in" period?
     
  39. arcticjoe

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    these are my temps after 5 mins of furmark @ 1080p. This is with Gelid GC Xtreme compound, before that I had ICD7 and it reached 90c+ very quickly.

    I also have the back of my laptop lifted for better airflow, and if I remove the back cover my temps do not go over 75c mark.
     

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    it seems gelid gc extreme is the best choice for us. i should give it a try.
     
  41. misterhobbs

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    I'm going to experiment with ICD7, Prolimatech pk-1, and Gelid GC Extreme. I just bought a tube of each and will compare all the results.
     
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    looking forward to your test
     
  43. gcrain

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    I would be interested to see the results of more people trying this. I have a feeling may be the main reason for your improved temps.
     
  44. bn880

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    Really looking forward to that as well :)

    Please be sure to also try the thin spread method (since the GPU is not capped like most CPU's , apparently it may be better to spread than to use the blob. At least Arctic silver generally uses this method for uncapped CPU's, and when I compared the 2 application methods on the 7970 it was true that thin spread was giving me a better result with A.S.5.)
     
  45. bn880

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    I did this too, it may have dropped 2-3 degrees, but I'm still stuck with HIGH temps with A.S.5. (up to 100 degrees in kombustor after 10+ minutes)
    Mind you my temps seem to be coming down slightly as I heat cycle the card still, as A.S.5 needs a break in time.
     
  46. bn880

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    Nope and that's a good point. Still watching the temps come down slightly with heat cycles/time. Will keep monitoring it for a while.

    Edit: Oops I need to learn how to multi quote for next time ...
     
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    I repaste with artctic silver 5 and still 90C just take a bit longer to reach that temp.Cooling system is to weak .
    a lot of power produce a lot of heat.


    My asus with gtx460 go up to 75C stock and 80C overcloked.So this laptop with 7970 go up to 90C stok in same test.Remember that it have more power so must produce more heat.Yes or No.I am thinking right? If so many peoples have same issue this mean it must be that way.
    More power,morre heat,more noise from fan.
     
  49. fantomasz

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    I did last repaste.This time I put more paste than before.I want paste to spill around a bid.After that I run test and finally I saw small 1C improvement.Also it takes longer time to reach same temperatures.My max is 89C now.


    Before,after 1 minute I had 78C,with more paste 75C.
    Before I reach 90C at 4:30,with more paste I never reach that temp even at 10 minutes I had 89C.
     
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    Do you have the hot key driver installed?
     
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