AMD Catalyst Mobility PowerXpress and Enduro Fix Drivers (13.10b)

Honestly he does this for free on his own time. No one forced you to install them. Some see improvements and some don't. Some of us want to see what he is getting so we can compare and find out how to make ours work as well as his.

Don't bad mouth someone when what you are using is optional and free.



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Agreed. You can just ignore his posts if you guys want.

I wanted to ask LeeKM if it's possible for him to post screenshots of all his CCC settings. I couldn't get that kind of fps in Diablo 3.

 

@ leekm

What cpu do you have?

Edit: and the rest of your specs

 

I installed a "modded" driver from LeeKM exactly one single time. End of story was, that I spent a lot of my free time to clean the registry from display driver entries which didn't work correctly and caused problems while installing another radeon driver. I only can warn people to install these drivers.

@cavell219 and Seanzky
I don't want to stop you using those drivers. You can believe and do whatever you want, It's really not my problem and I don't want to make it to one of my problems. But I want to share my opinion and experience about.

 

Thanks for posting those, LeeKM.

 

WoW 32-bit test (1920*1080, AA x8, AF x16, shadow low, All Max setting), used 13.10b Fix driver



and Youtube Video ( used 13.1 Fix driver )

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This. Though there is nothing wrong with feedback.

 

I agree there is nothing wrong with feedback, but there is a difference between feedback and attacking a person .

@drieschel

My post was supposed to be for the one above you. Yours was feedback

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Take a chill pill. My exact concluding remark was: "I don't blame him, he's trying his best and his English isn't very good, blame AMD."

Fact is, you come and go, I lurk. Every time he's posted a new "fix" driver he started a thread that got mostly negative feedback and people just couldn't get that fix to work with any tangible stable results. The old-timers and technical heads around here generally avoid it, and there is no consensus whether they work or not after a couple of months of painstaking efforts. I never tried them before but since I was intending a fresh OS I thought I'd give it a whirl, and if you check my other threads you'll see that although not a professional or hardcore modder, I do know my s*it.

His drivers might work for some (Not that I've see any) but this latest one I've tried is definitely way flaky and unstable pertaining to Intel HD graphics performance. I still haven't found any Intel HD4000 driver ver. that works well in windows with his modded drivers when on power-saving mode (and I've tried 4 versions, with full driver and registry sweeps and restarts every time). As far as SC2 and WoW which are the games I notice throttling in the most, SC2 showed no change, and WoW actually did worse utilization wise, with the official 13.10b being consistently at 99% and LeeKM's drivers doing wild 40-70%. It took me a long time and restart to fully clean (I hope) the fresh Win7 installation from his drivers and install the official ones, so if I'm feeling up to it later tonight I'll re-install his drivers and do a screen-cap for the forum. I just hope it doesn't force me to format like the previous 3 times.

Again, this is not an attack against him, he's certainly doing more to address the issue than I am and I recognize that, but perhaps after several threads of negative feedback, he can smooth out the issues with Aero before using every thread to advertise phenomenal results only he sees, or he can just give better instruction detailing which Intel HD graphics driver works best with which of his modded drivers. Also, where are all the people that benefited from his fix anyway? I haven't seen any conclusive compares by him either btw. WoW usually throttles badly in certain areas or settings. Showing me 99% util or high fps and labeling it "fixed" is a bit misleading. Where is the corresponding official driver cap in the same game area/setting? A 480p vid with no idea of the settings or even fps (Ctrl-R in WoW) is not conclusive. I do realize there's practically nil chance he's just trolling us, but I wish his results were reproducible. If you ask any questions he answers with: "Did you use driver fusion?".

I'm interested in results, not etiquette classes that waste posts. Make an attempt to read with your logic not emotion, the West can't be that culturally feminized

 

@NeoCzar

Your criticism DID sound a bit harsh. However, that's my opinion.

I feel your points here are pretty much all valid but your tone was a bit condescending. For instance, he could just reply with a 'I don't care if you had to reinstall 3 times, it's working for me etc etc'. Because in the end, he doesn't really owe you...or anyone else..anything.

Now back to the topic. I agree with you. There just aren't enough people posting benchmarks after using these drivers.
At the same time, there have been reported problems(like yourself). This is the main reason I have held off from trying out these drivers.

I'd like to see people who have given this driver a go post their experiences with it. Sadly I've hardly seen any.

There's LeekM's screenshots, which while fantastic..are only 1 man's experience. Also he's the maker of the drivers...so not exactly 3rd party confirmation. Likewise, there's you on the other end. With no disrespect intended, I'm sure you'll agree with me that you are one of the most anti-AMD person on these forums =D. I don't blame you. I just feel you ended up getting the short end of the stick.

Long story short, I'd really like to see people who have tried this out sharing their results with us. Until that, you are right...it's hard to say just what these drivers do.

 

I would have posted results but me going back and forth between official and LeeKM's modded drivers will probably force me to do a fresh OS reinstall soon. I don't have the time to do that right now and I have way too many things I can't afford to redo again at the moment. I've been running tests and the results are identical between the two drivers now. I refuse to use those driver cleaners because the damage those do, I believe, is equivalent to redoing a fresh OS reinstallation anyway.

This is just one example of tests I ran using Kombustor with results coming out pretty much the same. One is modded and the other is official...

 

I have tried this driver on a fresh Win7 x64 installation vs the official 13.10b also on a fresh win7 x64 installtion. (Yes it did take some time)

I did not notice any performance increases with the LEEKM driver. It did however give me the 99% utilization bug? when launching any 3D application, which made my fans spin at max all the time. False reading or not, my temperatures definitely skyrocketed with the LEEKM driver. I tried both with ULPS on and off. Made no difference. Also after uninstalling it and installing the official 13.10 driver it still had the 99% util bug. This happened with the LEEKM 13.8b driver aswell when i tried that some time ago.

Only solution with to do a fresh OS install and go with the official 13.10b driver which runs smoothly in most games.

I really appreciate what LEEKM is trying to do. But so far his drivers has only caused problems for me, and not getting my any performance increases in any games. On the other hand the official 13.10b driver really seems to run all my games just fine. I know that isnt the case for everyone.

@NeoCzar: You should really look at the link that drieschel posted if youre running an i7 CPU. Editing your WOW config file in that regard has done wonders for WOW for me. I used to have FPS drops in the major cities, but no longer after editing af single line in that config file. Hope this helps you too

P150EM
i7 3610QM
7970m
Win 7 x64

 

Is there anyone other than LeekM who is getting any sort of performance boost?

 

Here is my 3dMark results, its easier to just put the link and you look at what you want than screenies

AMD Radeon HD 8970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700MQ,Notebook P15SM

4749 score. LeekM's driver on a fresh install of windows 7.

Although this is a good score I still get crappy FPS in almost every game I play.

 

With the latest official 13.10b I'm getting 99% all the time (fresh install so not bug I think) yet the fps drop to low 40s and sometimes late 30s on all max settings (8x multisampling) when flying in new content with a lot of trees. Util remains 99%, so is it possible that the new content exhausts the 7970M to 40 fps on all max settings full HD? My WoW config file doesn't have that line at all, and when I added it anyway I noticed no difference. Yes i7 as in sig.

By the way the official drivers gave me 60 points in 3DMark11 6565 compared to 6505 for LeekM's drivers.

 

I'm using his drivers atm, I just updated from 13.8 b2, While oced at 990/1450 my fps in crysis 3 had quite a nice bost, the graphics card shows an 99% utilization in all applications, and with AA at FXAA (or w/e it is said) and the rest all maxed out and only the rainy part of crysis is going down to 28 fps, in some closed places it went over 80fps, temps stayed stable until some part where it maxed out at 90ºc and was going back and forth with 89º, then the mission ended and it gone down to 76º.

League of legends shows no change, still at 120~fps but reporting 99% utilization

 

That's within error margin of the tests for 3dmark. WoW is not known for being well coded graphically.

 

The 99% is fake readings. is it that hard to recognize?

 

AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor,CLEVO P150EM

AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor,CLEVO P150EM

AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor,CLEVO P150EM

AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor,CLEVO P150EM

AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor,CLEVO P150EM

 

Could you please expand on that? Does that mean that no matter how powerful the GPU is, WoW will always have fps fluctuations even with full gpu util? I wonder what the AW 7970M crowd have to say about WoW performance.

By the way after playing WoW all night I can say that the GPU util was at 99% only in the demanding areas of the game when the fps dipped to 40s (max settings), like the new DX11 coded content on the latest expansion. In the old area where I was doing consistently over 100 fps the util was 70-85%. Is that normal?

 

I don't get it. Your drivers don't improve synthetic benchmark results, nor have you claimed so. They're close to everyone else's. They're supposed to fix gpu utilization fluctuations to improve fps, right? Can you demonstrate that in WoW and tell us which version of Intel HD4000 drivers are you using please? That seems like vital information.

 

How much fps are you expecting with WoW? how much are alienware 7970m users getting? and how much are the optimus 680m users getting?

I haven't played WoW on this laptop, but from my experience with it on the PC it wasn't very graphically intensive.

 

I don't have any expectations but 40-50 fps flying in new areas and 25-35 fps on intensive fights is not my idea of a flagship card performance for a 9 year old game. In the old areas of the game the fps is almost always above 100, but in the new content (DX11 with some gfx perks) released last year it's the above fps. I don't know how much AW 7970M and 680M users are getting.

With every expansion they've revamped the graphics engine. I played the original on a desktop Nvidia 6600GT and was getting ~50 fps on max settings back then. As soon as the next expansion went live the fps in the new improved areas dipped so I had to tone down the settings. There's still some significant 3D rendering with spell effects (specially with ~25 people playing) so it's not Pacman.

 

Well I'm sure you and I will both agree that we should definitely have the info regarding non-enduro 7970m and the optimus 680m. Without that info, it is hard to say what is good or bad performance.

WoW is old, but you yourself admit that the older content runs at 100+ fps. Its the newer content that is causing you issue. To know for sure whether this is due to enduro, we need to know how the alternates are performing...namely...the non-enduro 7970m and the 680m. Could be you could find that the difference is not so big.

Also, you must remember, different games perform differently on different cards. The 7970m even on enduro is beating the 680m is qyite a few titles now, You can;t judge a card based on just 1 game. Heck, DOTA2 runs better on the 7970m than on the 780m. What would you tell a disgruntled 780m owner if he complains that Dota2 should perform better on his card. That he should look at the bigger picture!

back on topic, We need someone to bring in info regarding WoW performance on the non-enduro 7970m and the 680m before we can start bashing Enduro/AMD for this specific game.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...-3630qm-7970m-world-warcraft-performance.html

WoW info from m17x owners with 7970m

 

EDIT

Download: AMD_13.10b+Intel_3257(W64).exe (332.2 MB)

Password: www.notebookreview.co.kr

 

hard to judge any numbers here. All I can take from this is that even non-enduro 7970m users are not satisfied with WoW performance.

 

Funny thing is that my HD 6970m beats any fps you people are getting with 7970 in WoW, game is easily running 60fps.

 

It could be a GCN issue, not Enduro related per se.

 

Just tested these drivers and can't see any noticeable improvement over the standard 13.10 driver tbh in fact if anything the performance seemed slightly worse, would have run some benchmarks but the few games I own that are affected by enduro any more (Far cry 3, Dead rising 2 and Saints row 3) dont have in-game benchmarks

 

What's supposed to be new with this one? Besides the Intel HD drivers (3257), which I already have.

 

muxless system is unstable. (CLEVO switchable graphics)

muxed system is stable. (Alienware switchable graphics)



modified the driver(enduro fix) is optimized for D3D9.

 

Added only intel driver.

 

What do you wanna show us with this pic? That you changed the hardware layout from Clevo Laptops by Radeon drivers inf modding?

 

Technically he can't really change the hard ware layout, what he does is change the MUX programming to be 0 or 1 at all times, it forces the signal to be hot at all times. He's just giving an example to show people that he did something.

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Ah right, this may possibly be the reason why I didn't notice much difference then, the games I mentioned I only play dx11

 

For my Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3, I am pretty much getting the same as what LeeKM is getting in terms of fps. Although, for the LoL, I cant seem to get the same ~238 fps. But I think the problem is the GPU utilization. For some reason, I am getting 170ish fps at like 30-40% utilization. If you look at LeeKM's screenshot, his gpu is at 99%.

@LeeKM
I matched your LoL video settings exactly as the screenshot. The "Frame Rate Cap" is on Benchmark. But, I dont know why League wont run at 99% GPU. How did you get it to 99% GPU?

 

You need enable Ulps.

 

Ah....but after I enabled ULPS in the registry. the GPU is went to 99% but the framerate is the same.....~170 fps. O_O"

The GPU is working harder now, but the fps is the same? Seems a little weird...>.<

 

So does a better processor help reduce the Enduro utilization problems in our P1x0EM muxless graphics? If I were to upgrade from a 3610QM->3820QM, would it improve the GPU's performance, even in cases where I'm not CPU-bottlenecked?

 

How dow you come to this conclusion? I don't think that a cpu could reduce Enduro related utilization problems (don't wanna say that there Enduro related utilization problems stil are or not).

 

Enduro(PowerXpress) and Optimus is the same structure.

Integrated graphics is always used.(muxless)

So, some programs will not be able to recognize the discrete GPU.(Profile needs to be updated)

In addition to the switchable graphics will cause a bottleneck. (Used system memory)

***This problem can not be solved by modifying the driver.*** (Please see the linked image.)




&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;muxed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,muxless&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

 

I'm overclocked 1000/1450 and using the LeeKM modded drivers and I can only get low utilization and around 60-70 fps in Diablo 3.

One is modded and the other is official drivers.



The max 99% was a spike.

UPDATE: I just noticed now, since I never really cared before, that all my games underutilize (whatever the % may be) just as long as the fps can hover around 60-70. Am I doing something wrong here?

 

I think I had the same problem too. But I just used the ATI uninstaller, restarted, used Driver Fusion to uninstall extra stuff after, restart, install LeeKM's driver, then restart once.

After that, when you check the power profiles, sometimes the pull down boxes are blank. But, when i restarted a second time after windows were applying stuff to the new driver, it came back to normal. So, it seemed weird. When i loaded up D3, I did get much higher than the 70 fps i used to get with the stock 13.10b beta drivers though. The load screen was getting close to 200 at times. In game, it was around 140-160 depending on where you are moving, and it felt as smooth as when vsync was enabled. For some reason, D3 had always been choppy before even if you had over 60 fps (no vsync).

The only thing I cant match LeeKM on is the league of legends fps.

@LeeKM
Did you do anything else to get LoL fps above ~170? I have the same "very high" settings and "benchmark" settings checked. GPU is also now 99%.

Oh and by the way...풍성한 한가워 되세요, 즐거운 추석 연휴 보내세요

 

Was the free Driver Fusion enough to do the job? I'm a bit hesitant to use these driver cleaner software but I figure if I'm going to reformat soon anyway, might as well try.

 

I thought it was enough. I also used CCleaner after the restart of removing AMD stuff with driver fusion, but I dont think there was anything to clean from it. I just used it to check for left over entries. I just cant figure out why my LoL fps doesnt change at all whether or not I use the official drivers or not, or whether is have ULPS on or not.

 

At least it's only LoL you have problems with. All of my games are 60-70fps.

 

AMD catalyst 13.9: AMD Catalyst. For wow players: "Significant game performance slowdowns when moving the mouse cursor in World of Warcraft using DirectX 9 rendering mode.".