AMD Radeon 6970M - ETA from Resellers?

I thought it would be the other way around as well..

Oh well.

 

That just means they likely have more margin built into the base price.

 

I'm happy with my 485m choice Gotta have the 3D option for this decade.

 

What seller is listing the 6970M option?

 

I think he's talking about the X7200 model. The 6970M is available on this model now. It is a $245 upgrade from the 460M.

 

well, sager, mythlogic and rjtech, so basically everyone.

 

Hmm, wonder if that same price will carry over to the other laptops though. Does not always. Like Blu-ray player in 8130 is only a +$70 option but +$120 for the 8150, and +$80 for NP7280.

So it could vary.

 

Looks like Clevo has given the GTX 460M another price drop, which is why the upgrade looks more expensive than Dell's. I'd be happy with $245 as that is the $250 difference, which I've been predicting.

The value of the SLI'd GTX 470Ms, at just $345 for both, is immense. If I was buying an X7200, I'd buy those without blinking.

 

Actually, the dual 470M just went up to 395$ The update was received just a few minutes ago.

 

That kinda sucks for Nvidia fans, but 50 bucks isn't the end of the world, and Nvidia fans shouldn't be bothered by it as they are used to dishing out more for their brand of choice.

 

Quite surprising actually considering the 6970m is in the pipeline and not much slower than 470m in SLi.

Curious what the markup of the 485m is actually, and if it could be competitive with the 6970m if they wanted.

 

Actually, a single 6970M is a good deal slower than 470M SLI, in most games.

Look at the 1080p tests vs 480M SLI, then add another 10% for the 470Ms.

 

Some bench's for you all

EDIT: Crossfire 6970's with 990X

 

Justin - isn't that for Crossfire 6970m's? To compare with my 485m:

3DM11:
6970m XFire = Performance 5780 / Extreme 1965
485m Stock = Performance 2933 / Extreme 973

 

Yes this is Crossfire Bench's, sorry should have clarified that. Also a 990X CPU.

 

believe i saw dual 470's from another thread making around 4062 in performance fyi

and here's a score from another single 485m

 

i was wondering something is there any physical difference between vendor variants of the 6970m e.g. dell and clevo. physically there all the same and the only difference would be the bios, i'm assuming either vendor brand would boot up in either system that supports the card but for which ever system the card is running the bios for that vendor the 6970m should be flashed to?

or are there differences from vendors? Not ES models off course.

 

There is no physical difference.

 

so all would be needed is a bios flash yea?

 

In theory, yes.

 

swapping bioses from different vendors wont harm the card, it'll just make it compatible with whatever motherboard it's running, or less buggy with proper read out and response to the card

 

Yes, you are correct. You may even want to acquire one of Eurocom's ES 6970M, in hopes of the flash unlocking the 6990M 's 1120 shader cores.

 

=\ ? you mean 6970m not 6990m and the shader clock can be overclocked the only thing the bios would do is just have it's clocks overclocked at stock, from what i read ES samples are also something to watch because they still could have bugs and might have driver issues.

 

He saying someone got an ES card labeled as a 6970, but it turned out to unlock to the characteristics of a 6990 after he flashed bios. Lucky, lucky sob

 

User ichime flashed the Dell BIOS onto an ES 6970M, and it unlocked 160 additional shaders, for a total of 1120 cores. He gets 20% more performance than a stock 6970M.

It's a full Barts XT, and has sparked the thought that there's a 6990M on the way. Plus Eurocom claims to already have 6990M samples.

 

wouldn't the 6970m stock have those shaders available already by default, so what difference would it make on a stock card since its unlocked already.

 

That's the thing, we aren't sure whether the ES 6970M is identical. What he do know, is that someone with a Dell 6970M tried the flash, and it didn't unleash the extra shaders.

My question is whether more of Clevo's stock of 6970M has the capability. There's not enough data out there yet, but it's possible than AMD shipped Clevo a cache of Barts XT, with the shaders simply deactivated.

 

I think Ichime picked up his ES card from mxm-upgrade.com.

 

ok i did a little browsing through loads of sh!t literally sh!t looking for any updates on the 6970m, alot of sh!t anyways( people need to stay on topic)

so

has the official 6970m final product already come out? if i get my hands on a ES SAMPLE, i would like to use it with a w870cu, now i seen reviews where the w870cu works with a 6970m, the concern is though, that i'm sure the psu is being pushed to the limit and considering there was a review of the w870cu with the 6970m(no doubt it had to be an ES version), would it be safe to unlock the shaders to 6990(theoretical) state, increase of shaders like that and 20% performance, there has to be more power draw question is how much more? i don't want to kill my w870cu but i'm just wondering.

also has there been any speculation on the 6990m yet clocks? shaders? cores?

 

This thread has derailed into other discussions related to the 6970m because the original topic was a question aimed at the resellers that cannot be definitively answered because of uncertainty/NDA. I wouldn't say that even your post is exactly ON TOPIC as far as the original intent of the thread was concerned.

Out of the threads that ask for specific information that cannot be released, only occasionally do they get any useful replies. We are pretty sure that Clevo will announce the 6970m very soon for the other models. That is all that is known by anyone.

 

i guess
1.the final hd6990 will be 1120sp and some 6970 is unlockable via bios flashing
2.that bios is just an failed "es bios".....bcz amd figure out 1120sp draw too much power & heat problem

 

Will the 6970M on the Sager NP8150 be switchable. Sager aid it did not make the Nvidia switchable cause of problems with Optimus, but since AMD has manual switching, will an AMD GPU mean switchable graphics.

 

unlikely since the switch need to be on the MB; and looks like clevo doesnt intend yet to have switchable graphics on gaming notebooks.

 

Got a new ETA on when the norwegian Clevo reseller would recieve the AMD Radeon HD 6970m.
10th April. :3
(Wantz naow)

Really want it before the 20th because of The Gathering.

 

i got a eurocom 6970m coming this week as of today, going to be using it in my w870cu =|, concerned about the internal psu limits if i flash to 6990m. will conduct thorough tests

 

how much did it cost?

 

Has a surefire way to do this been found? I thought it was luck (combo of the batch of ES card and drivers)..

 

No one else has an ES 6970M yet, so we really know nothing about how it works.

 

well we'll find out soon enough this week, the 6870m is reported to work on a w870cu but pushing the psu to it's limits, we know eurocom has been releasing ES samples, so we'll see if the same thing happens, though instead of a alienware system it'll be a sager system,

i'm thinking of buying a higher watt adapter maybe 160watt?, but heres what i don't get that maybe somebody can clarify what difference does it make what wattage your adapter is because the laptop has it's own internal psu/voltage regulators, you can buy a 60000watt adapter it still doesn't matter because the laptop has it's internal psu, the only theory i can come up with is say, a laptop has a internal psu rated for 120watt and the adapter is 120watt, every power supply in the world loses efficiency a higher grade 160watt would give that extra juice that gets lost, but what i don't understand also is what about when your in battery mode? do you just reboot instantly?

i've noticed my laptop in battery mode and plugged in( all windows settings set to non battery save mode) there is a performance drop undoubtedly about 40%, is this a bios issue? when a high end graphics card is on battery the bios kicks in to lower the clocks? or lowers it's operational status some how.


edit: just did a quick test with gpu-z and cpu-z seems clocks dont change on video card with battery mode but cpu obviously does, could explain the performance hit but still the card could be running in an entire different state, such as half power or something.

 

It might be a windows mobility thing, where you enter "power saving" mode when on battery.

Failing that, maybe the battery doesn't offer enough current to run the computer at 100%.

That said, i'm neither an electrical engineer nor someone with a Clevo

 

Just because the notebook comes with a PSU of a certain wattage, that doesn't mean the internal parts are set to only receive that amount of voltage. It really just means that they're rated to handle at least the amount of power the PSU offers thesystem.

To make such a statement, you would need to physically dismantle a machine to check all of the mobo pieces.

 

ahaha so now we're going to dismantle a system, off course psu's can run at overrated speeds obviously i've seen the 1000watt antec run at 1600watts of the wall(talking high end desktops),but anyways dismantling the psu is irrelevant because every system handles a certain amount, my point is say the theoretical given estimate that is presumed for a laptop, for example i'm guessing 120watt why ? well because somebody said SO and also that's the default adapter's wattage, and presumably based of what the adapter is rated at default, are you saying clevo would give a adapter that is underpar to handle the system, that wouldn't make sense.

i hope somebody see's what i'm getting at in regards to the psu, the theory's i mentioned above seem to make sense, but if anybody can undoubtly confirm that would always be great for everybody to be aware off.


not going of topic but build quality of psu is important to, such as cheap power adapter replicas tend to suck as well, i've seen alot of 1kilowatt psu results with very similar specs and they don't perform at all like each other, hope the w870cu psu is a good quality build

 

when i mentioned dismantling psu is irrelevant i meant in the sense of component and quality build, not every processor overclocks the same, same way as not every psu can reach a high threshold, dismantling a psu would be good however we still wont know what it's rated for, unless clevo officially has something to say and testing a psu's threshold would be pointless since not all builds are the same.

 

You should really make more effort at making your posts coherent if you expect anyone to have a conversation or even understand points you are trying to make.

As for the subject at hand, I will state that I have firsthand experience with a laptop's psu being unable to handle its load. I have had several fried hard drives and countless BSOD's because of it.

 

well you know what, considering the last 3 reviews i read where a 6970m worked no problems with the older generation models, and the fact you kill alot of systems admittedly, i'm going to ignore your advise, and there is no incoherence about the above posts, more like in depth to carefully elaborate for toddlers, whatever i'm done.

i'll post any "new" info i come across when the card come's

 

What laptops, with what PSUs?

 

Gateway 7811FX. Default PSU that came with it is 120w. I upgraded to an X9100 CPU and began having problems. When I did some research I discovered that the psu was notoriously weak, and extending it further proved to be a big mistake.

 

Or the more plausible explanation is that it's just an early engineering sample with extra stream processors and it was sold off to Ichime. Just like what happened with some desktop 6850s:

Can you Unlock HD 6850 to 1120 Shaders | Lensfire

Well if Eurocom said it, then it must be true.

 

I didn't come close to inferring that either rumor was true, did I?

I'm the last person in the world, who will trust and believe Eurocom.

 

amd nvidia both have spies in both company
amd must know nvidia is preparing gtx580m(485m@core 675 maybe)
so i think 6990m is very acceptable