ATI Mobility HD5870 DDR5 GPU's VERY SOON...In a Clevo??

As far as I remember you saw 280M GTX in the device manager once but it wasn't working properly. Anyways, 58xx series will hopefully bring something new to the table because, I am really getting bored. I need something to cause WOW!!. XPS M!730 with SLI 8800 can still fight with a M17x sli 280M GTX. 4870 and/or 4850 is just an attempt of ATI trying to pass Nvidia and it slightly worked. I am just looking at the laptops only 4 years ago where 7950 was the king by far and now even some of the netbooks can pass its scores. It has been 3 years since 8800M GTX and that is why I am hoping to see something that is really powerfull in a year.

 

14k in vantage is nothing to ignore

 

Actually the 7950 GTX level of performance is now pretty much similar to that of current medium-level GPUs.

 

When we saw the 2K 3dmark06 from w90 we said ok, new era is here but it didn;t turn out to be like that. 14K in vantage? Who got that GPU score?

 

mandrake is @ 13.45k and he hasn't even overvolted the cards yet.

4850's in Xfire

 

Another of many articles....

AMD's Mobile Radeon HD5850 with 1GB of GDDR5

 

Other sites have reported the 8942G will use a Mobility 5650.

http://twisted-reviews.com/acer-asp...st-notebooks-with-ati-mobility-radeon-hd5650/

 

notebookcheck reported as having 5850GPU but with GDDR3, instead of GDDR5.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M5da991c6032.0.html

i hope nothing other than 5850 with GDDR5 is true because that is what i want!

 

5850 with 1 GDDR3 seems what you should expect. Gddr5 is still a least a couple of months away from the mobile market.

 

Notebookcheck links Fudzilla and the same German site everyone is getting their info from as their source.

 

Any chance at all of these having the older mxm version as well as the new 3.0 mxm?

 

Anything is possible

 

CES is just 1 month away!!

"Mobility Radeon HD 5000 series DirectX 11 support in January prepared to announce AMD, laptop computer market, wants to continue with the rise in the new model. New laptop computer system vendors to support DirectX 11 in Las Vegas to be held on January 7-10 CES 2010..."

DirectX 11 Mobile Radeon HD 5000 Series article

 

Notebook check reports that the 5850 scores around 6000 points in vantage and the 5870 scores about 8000 in vantage (probably depends what CPU they are using as well).

Also notebook check reports that the nvidia quadro 3800M is 55nm with 128 shaders just like the 280M, the main differences are DX 10.1 support, the clocks set at 675/1000/1700 and of course, it eats 100 W.

All in all, looks like ATI is gonna be king in the notebook sector!

 

That's right ^^^^

ATI Mobility HD5870 Info

 

8K by itself, ouch, thats pretty much a desktop 4870 (or more a 5770), those are gonna be pretty beasty in crossfire if thats anything to go by, hopefully they'll end up a little faster though, even so 8K for a single card, when a single 4870 hits about 5-5.5k is a very solid improvement.
With a weak P8400 before I got my X9100, my crossfire 4850s were only getting about 8.8 as a comparison...that 5870 is almost as fast as the dual card setup.

Take those results with a pinch of salt though, Notebookcheck is often wrong.

 

i dont see that big of a difference .....


But i guess it goes to show how much of a role clocks play on ATI cards

 

The card will also feature the 1600 shader cores compared to 800 in the 48 series. If they've got strong clocks as well then they'd definately be capable of producing some exceptional power in comparison, even beyond the shader power increase.

 

10k in a LAPTOP

20k with Xfire

pshhh


Ichime hit 7k on a 4850 so i expect 2k jump from stock on the 5870

 

Just because the 5000 series is shown at CES doesn't mean you'll actually be able to buy a laptop with one the next day. A laptop with a 58xx GPU will probably arrive sometime in March or April.

 

i think we know but thanks

 

Maybe we should have a poll when people think they will be able to get them in their hands

 

Why poll when you can bet? I'm already holding babyhemi to "the seeming fact that in January or maybe February 2010 the ATI Mobility HD5870 DDR5 cards will be out in notebooks" for $100.

 

Getting excited about this offering!

 

I've just seen that notebookcheck reports the 5870 as having a TDP of 60W. But somehow I doubt that, probably is closer to 70W.

 

die shrinks are awsome

 

It doesn't make sense for them to use the 60W TDP when the standard now is 75W. They could just increase the clocks and provide higher performance. Why limit yourself to 60W ? Unless other laptop manufacturers that don't have very good cooling systems like Alienware and Clevo also want to use the card ... ATI can't say no to larger sales.

 

Also if its running on lower voltage, potentially it'll run cooler, quieter fans,but will have a lot more overclocking room.

 

Ahhhhhh........ such rampant speculation!

This is fun!

OK, I'll bite! Here is my prediction, and I know many will think I am out of my mind, but here ya go.....

I predict:

It will not be Clevo or Dell/AW to make the initial debut. And YES, it will be seen at the January CES. All one need do, is look at ATI/AMD's exclusive distributions of it's mobility flagship last year.

Sometime as early as the 2nd or 3rd week of January, but no later than mid February (most likely in January), pre-orders will be available for the following:

A new 17" customizable and reasonably priced 'gamers' notebook, Core i7 (both Clarksfield & Arrandale)..... powerful and leading edge, with most all the features a gamer desires. It will only have a single ATI 5870 (1GB of GDDR5) card, but as you know, this should game most any game on the market, at 'high' settings.

This notebook will not be a 're-hash' of existing technologies, but rather a complete 're-fresh'..... wherein it's thermal design will be specific to the needs of the 5870 card. Given past history with specific manufacturer's on such a notebook, it should run very cool, considering.

I do not anticipate models with 5870 GDDR5 cards in 'CrossFire' until Q2 or Q3 of 2010. Even then, the manufacturers will have an enormous challenge, managing the thermal designs..... so much so, I would not be surprized if a trend develops..... of single card mobile solutions (and/or perhaps with dual GPU's on a single board) becoming more commonplace in the gaming arena. This will not only facilitate better thermal management and design, but will also eliminate the stuttering issues experienced with SLI or CrossFired solutions. This is not to say however, that SLI & CrossFire will disappear, and no doubt, Dell/AW will attempt to take the lead here. As such, this single GPU model will suffice for me, for now.

And again, I will soon become an 'early adopter'!

What do ya think?

 

ROFL, the 58xx are supposed to be out since two months now and atm you can't even get one because of the immature 40nm proces...

Cry for mobile 58xx before Q2 2010 =o !!!

 

MSI will be first with a 58x0 notebook!

 

Ahhhhhhhh, but Phinagle, I am taking specifically about the 5870 w/GDDR5!

I predict this will not be MSI! Am I outta my mind, or what?

 

Is it really? I can't find that anywhere ): can you give a link?

 

Phinagle is a very smart guy! He MUST know something, heretofore un-published.....???

 

Wait are you people predicting stuff? it would actually make a lot of sense for MSI to have the first notebook with a 5000 series ati GPU, seeing how they had a 4850 in the GT725... plus, they need to improve their current i7 line. GTS 250 sucks.

 

The closest anyone is going to get to a 5800 series card in in January/February is a paper launch. Until TSMC irons out its 40nm process, don't expect mobile 5800 cards in mass quantities until June.

 

In theory, the first notebook with a HD5850 will be the Acer Aspire 8942G-728G1280TWN...

I think there is a typo somewhere but I found this info on every website I came across.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16684/1/

 

Or maybe the same model will have both cards... the 5850 and the 5650 for a cheaper version. Thus explaining the confusion. Also, if Acer is the one adopting the 5850, knowing that Acer in general makes cheap laptops, I would expect that the 5850 will have a decent pricing.

 

Hmmmmm........ has everyone missed the Acer 8942G, supposedly configured with the 5850 card? Yes, click my link...... and I think the only typo in the Fudzilla article, was claiming GDDR5 onboard the 5850.

And out of curiosity, when did MSI release the GT725 w/the 4850? I know the W90 release with the x-fired 4870 cards, 19 Feb 2009. That was an exclusive launch for those cards, and I predict a repeat regarding the 5870 card!

Such fun!

 

First I don't have any insider info on MSI I'm just throwing a guess out there. They were first with the 4850 but only as a single card....I don't think they ever made a dual GPU rig.


@Blacky - The fact that Acer is known for cheap machines is why Im leaning towards the GPU being a 5650. The 5850 would be to high-end for Acer.

 

they are trying to go to both markets to increase their sales


so i say its both

 

Acer milks the netbook cashcow to pad their sales numbers.

If we were talking about Acer putting a 5850 in a new Gateway FX notebook then maybe I'd have an easier time believing it isn't a mistake.

 

Personally as i have a M980Nu I am not interested unless they run in Crossfire, but as mentioned eariler i cant see a Xfire one being available to Q2/3 like the m980nu, that was "announced" early in the year. I believe i am right in saying i was one of the first in the Uk with one and that wasnt till the first week in August.

Willing to bet it doesnt show till a similar time, regardless of announcement date i dont care, i want a realistic date where i can buy one.

 

Is there any news about next gen of Firepro cards base on HD5800?

 

AMD have already confirmed the high end parts (mobility 5870/50) will be crossfire capable. I wouldnt be so interested if they weren't

 

not questioning if they are capable just the immediate viability of the being in a laptop.

The heat issues etc will take more time to work around then a solo card. Things like the slave card etc will be hard to come across until a retail unit is produced and available for sale if we are looking at just upgrading our M980Nu's

But depending on pricing i may just sell this one and buy a whole new unit with an I7 extreme

 

I'd take a single 58x0 with twice the cooling and twice the power draw over two in Crossfire.

Hell I'd take a single 58x0 if they pumped in the 100Watts Nvidia is pushing through the Quadro FX 3800m.

 

To be honest, as they're die shrunk/40nm parts, compared to our current 55nm, how hot they get will depend on the clock speeds used etc. Given the M980nu has a decent cooling system, they MAY not be that hot in it, we've yet to see. I mean the desktop ones have a big cooler on them, BUT they also run very cool idle and load with it, and generally run cooler than other similar cards even with similar cooling beasts on them. Until we can see the raw figures, it may well be they're not much hotter than we already have.

Slave units can often be awkward to procure, but then they may just go for a master/master setup. I know the BIOS on our GTX280m are identical, so likely also in a master/master setup, and other similar master/master setups have been successful. In fact it'd be easier for them to adapt from desktop cards if they were!

I agree with you about pricing, and Im considering a similar probability; that said the likelyhood is it'll cost just as much to upgrade; the GPUs will likely cost 450-600 for the pair; selling the M980NU may not net enough to make upgrading to a new chassis in 6-12months viable for a similar cost.

I'd estimate the second hand value of our units is probably £1.5k or less, depending on who we could find to sell it to, especially with the I7 coming out in the next year, and its unlikely to come out at less than 2 grand for the new model, even from Kobalt.

Not that the idea of not having to rely on an Nvidia chipset; and getting a quad in the package isn't interesting

 

Just another of many of what is coming very soon...

"AMD has begun mass production DX11 laptop video card and will officially released next year CES 2010. There are three notebooks AMD DX11 graphics core, code-named Broadway, Madison, Park, will be followed by named Mobility Radeon HD 5800,5700 / 5600,5400 series.

First, in volume production is the most high-end Mobility Radeon HD 5800 series a long time. CES 2010 will held January 7-10 in Las Vegas meeting, while the AMD Mobility Radeon HD 5000 series scheduled for release on the opening day."

Mass production DX11 laptop video cards underway

 

ATi is famous for doing paper launches. It will be in a few select notebooks at CES and in a glass box for reporters to take pictures. You won't be able to really purchase it until at least May-June.