BGA Venting Thread ;)

Call it classic.

 

But the cooling.

 

This would be as all chips were just as HQ. Have not seen one single reason that a fully locked chips have life rights. Even worse than BGA

 

Scratch that..1080nm...bring it on.

"The all new GTX 1080nm. Cook your dinner while you play. All in one."

 

When you flip the meat, it overclocks.

 

No no Tanner you gotta call it the "Ancestor Edition"

(plz tell me at least one of u gets it)

 

If you use it you shame your ancestors?

 

http://promotions.newegg.com/nepro/17-2173/

 

That's beautiful.

 

To give the younglings an idea the Pentium III was 0.18um (180nm) and would peak at around 1.3ghz

 

My first desktop had a Pentium III...and it only had a stock cooler on it. I think I was about 10. I don't think I had anything to monitor temperatures but let's say that air in the rear of the case used to be quite toasty! Boy that brings back memories.

 

1.3ghz??

I had Thermal(take)right Copper heatsinks with 8000rpm Delta's on a pair of PIII's @ 1.1ghz, and that was OC'd to the max on an Abit VP6
http://soggi.eu/motherboards/abit/VP6.htm#spec

 

I was thinking of the Tualatin core which was actually 130nm, you are right the 180nm would only go to around 1.1ghz (Intel had to recall the 1.13ghz version).

My first CPU above 1Ghz with a 1.4ghz athlon thunderbird an an Aopen black beauty motherboard

Not too long after that I embraced SATA with the ABit NF7-S with an athlon XP 2500 barton core

2x 80GB 7200.7 HDDs in raid 0 back then was SO much faster than my old 4200rpm 6GB Drive (I tended to take huge leaps back then lol).

 

How far we've come.

 

Comparing the highest end boards of the time to even a budget board these days in terms of component density let alone quality really makes it stand out


(The foil around the socket was to stop the screwdriver you were applying large amounts of force on to get the heatsink to mount did not scratch the PCB!)
vs

 

Funny thing was, it seemed like it took forever to get to 1ghz in 2000.

IMSAI 8080 - 1975 - 2mhz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSAI_8080

Apple II - 1977 - 1mhz ( even back then Apple was the slowest )
http://oldcomputers.net/appleii.html

Super Fast GNAT (military model) - 1977 - 4ghz
https://classictech.wordpress.com/computer-companies/gnat-computers-san-diego-calif/

Good times...

Just before that *full* 1ghz, I had a 933mhz that would *almost* OC to 990 something mhz... not quite 1ghz.

It seems like it was another whole year before we got that full 1ghz.

 

I find it either funny or alarming that my Samsung phone is a lot more powerful than my first laptop (and has a higher res screen). My phone is probably a $500 device at time of purchase - I'm pretty sure my first laptop was a lot more.

I also agree that in general for expensive monolithic hardware (and specifically for BGA laptops) it is infuriating that the device is nerfed to improve manufacturing yield and that the possibility of optimizing performance for individual components is gone.

However, if size and weight are any consideration then there is a big gap between a $600 BGA notebook and a $1800 LGA gaming laptop and I don't see a "vote with your wallet" option in there.

Having said that, if I had to do it all over again, I would probably pay more to get the MSI Tornado F5, but I don't think that that is a decision everyone would be willing to make.

Also, frankly, I don't think the "stick" vs "carrot" approach really sways other peoples opinions if that is what the intent of BGA bashing is. I can see that it is a good way to relieve anger and I do agree that the situation is infuriating...

 

That god damn NForce chipset!

The amount of times my system would bluescreen or just refuse to boot because of those drivers.

Funnily enough, it was that very chip that created the cross-licensing deal between Intel and Nvidia which expired very recently.

 

I never had issues, then again I would not jump on drivers the second they came out

 

Those are a bit before my time, my first computer was a 386.

 

The Intel 80386 had a very long production lifetime, Oct 1985 through September 2007(!)

Do you recall the year, or the /speed of the 386 model you had?

Intel 80386
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386

 

I believe the 486DX2 we had was 20Mhz turbo and 40Mhz base.

 

The 486DX2 was Intel's solution to not being able to run a stable external bus at 50mhz (on VESA local-bus, but EISA was ok), so Intel doubled the base clock in the 486DX2 => 20mhz external and 40mhz internal.

The 486DX2/25 was slower (1/2 speed bus) than the 486/50, but was stable and ran cooler on a new process.

The 486DX2 came out in 1992/3, and there were 3 models, the 20/40mhz, 25/50, and 33/66mhz.

There was a 486DX4/33 as well, running 133mhz after 4 x 33mhz base clock.

Intel 80486
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80486

Spoiler: fond memories...

Brings up a lot of memories. In 1991 I had the 486/50 and had trouble getting a stable video card on it, and at that point perfected a fast backup / restore from disk due to needing to recover Windows so often. I think I also used a RAM doubler at the time after getting the Video card stable. I also had racks and deskside units of Sun hardware back then "humming" along; eventually curing me of my joy for loud computers. My daughter was born right around that time too. A long time ago now.

 

I want to say it was a DX, but that's been many moves ago and I was pretty young.

 

That's likely to have been a 386DX-?? , and I know what you mean it's tough to recall such details on the spur of the moment.

When @Meaker@Sager jogged my memory with the 486DX2, and the Wikipedia Intel 486DX2 info lead to the 486/50, recalling the 486/50 PC brought back lots of fond memories from that time, and I began to remember lots more details

 

Would have been a -25 or -33, at that point I was more interested in playing games than in system internals though so it's a bit fuzzy.

 

You're an old man now @hmscott This will be your next Investment And you will need a +60" pc screen No more portability

 

Thanks Buddy

I'm not quite that old yet, but it is something to look forward to.

 

I'll take one.

 

Yeah but i'm talking turbo button clocks for those programs that ran too fast lol.

 

Don't worry, aging is reversible. (But don't let that stop you from treating yourself to a 60" screen.)

 

Jezza you utter prat.

 

Ultra wide 144hz curved I think for me next

 

That ASUS one?

 

Oh yes, seems that someone reminded me what a notebook is to non-enthusiasts lol

 

Any of the next generation panels really

 

I've seen two or three with very similar specs, though it's low enough on my upgrade list that I haven't really done much research.

 

There are only 4 major panel manufacturers these days so they are likely all using the same ones

 

I think more than happiness matters. Some of us are still guided by principles and intelligence.
When one buys a BGA turdbook they instantaneously become a contributor to the problem that harms us all.
When one votes no with their wallet and reject BGA filth they become part of the solution and serve the greater good.

 

Looks like maybe LG?

 

Also the AU Optronics M270QAN02.2 in the new Acer 4k 144hz panel is in that class too, though not ultra wide of course.

 

While not directed to me, 1991 IIRC, turbo mode with 2 runs states, 8 MHz and 20 MHz. It was a 386-SX20. I added the 387 math co-processor chip later so I could get better performance with the Falcon 3.0 flight simulator. Effectively turning back into a full 386-DX20. Sockets FTW!



Back then Microsoft actually came out with operating systems (MS-DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 6.x) and Windows (3.0, 3.1) that people actually wanted to upgrade to (compared with MS-DOS 4.0). Plus if one didn't like MS-DOS, you could always buy and run IBM's PC-DOS or Novell's DR DOS.

Anyone remember what the "DR" in DR DOS stood for? (don't cheat and use google). Also why didn't DR DOS have a hyphen in it? Was there a reason?

 

Oh man I remember that game! That, and the older MiG-29 Fulcrum game ate a lot of my youth.

And without looking it up, I think DR was a company name? But can't remember the company. DR DOS, refreshing soft drink. No idea why it wasn't hyphenated either.

 

It's nice to have, what my wife calls, a pull-apart computer. Meaning you can tear it down to individual components like an old muscle car to repair, to tune up, or to improve. I saw the tide changing in 2015 when Frank Azor @ Alienware was releasing the new BGA components. I figured my Alienware 18 might be the last-of-the-line of the pull-aparts. I tried to vote with my wallet to send Mr. Azor the message but it didn't matter.

I come from DT background. I always wanted a portable beast I could never justify to myself the cost differential between powerful DT and powerful LT. After seeing the Dell Inspiron 8200 and the Clevo-based Alienwares, I always figured I would get a LT like that "some day." So when I saw the looming LGA-MXM extinction event approaching, I wanted to enjoy these systems while I still can (before I return back to the DT ).

So, for now I plan to plan to support companies like Clevo and MSI who still sell MXM socketed graphics adapters though I understand with eyes wide open that those days are probably limited.

 

Amen to that. Voting no with your wallet doesn't fix anything when the morons calling the shot have an agenda and actually don't care what their customers want, or whether the product they are selling is any good. They can pretend to all they want and their actions always speak louder than their words.

The way things are headed with everything (including the precious remnant of products with sockets and slots) being castrated by cancer firmware and poorly engineered cooling systems (including Alienware) I am starting to believe there is absolutely no point in bothering with laptops if un-metered performance and end user control are things that truly matter. I cannot imagine anyone wanting an expensive "high performance" laptop that has been emasculated. Even something as simple as choosing Legacy or UEFI with CSM support is impossible with most of the notebook filth being sloughed off onto people that do not know any better.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here, bro. It's nice to know what makes you tick.

 

@Aroc, No searching here... I lived it. I'm sure I have my MS DOS, Win 3.1 and OS/2 diskettes somewhere in my basement. Anyway... DR was Gary Kildall's company...

Spoiler

Digital Research

Now, I'm trying to remember if my 2nd gen of purchases, the Big Kahuna, is down there too. Perhaps others remember that offering from the 'Cow Company' in South Dakota.

 

Yet we have one of the most unlocked standard BIOS in years for Clevo and I have been trying to investigate the power limit levels

 

I fix it for yoo. And Amen to that!!

See from one of my PM

"Maybe less crippled, but I ain't going to buy BGA. In any form, shape or other reasons. A crippled design bruh. Very crippled!! MMX graphics don't help, if the rest is BGA. I want high maxed oc on all my hardware. I'm not a gamer, but I want maxed power in all form and shape. Only socket hardware can give me what I want. Or just give a damn, sit down on my wheelchair see the rain-snow-rain-snow falling down from the sky(I live in Norway as you can see). And same time saving money for my children - grandchildren... Why should I throw my money down the toilet on pure trash? Not me, ain't happening!!"

 

Yes, better than the past for sure and that is a step in the right direction. The power limit levels are not necessary. There should be nothing to investigate. That they exist is a step in the wrong direction. The P570WM had no power caps and there is no reason for any laptop to have them. The output capacity of the AC adapter(s) should be the only limit.

 

I hope you can post your findings, I'd be very interested to see the numbers you get.