BGA Venting Thread ;)

I do hope that people will start moving towards more powah again though. We need more powah, no exceptions. The more powah we have, the better. Now, if we could only make even beefier coolings, that would be great.

 

They can and should do those things. But, they probably will not because we are so outnumbered by retards. Retards building, selling and buying garbage, LOL. Apathy and ignorance are at unprecedented levels.

 

Or maybe, the number of people who just want to play games on a laptop that doesn't weigh 4KG are at unprecedented levels.

 

yeah, like me. I want a 17 inch laptop with 2K/4K display that is 4kg including the adapter. Those that exist are over $2000. If I could upgrade them like I did with my M570TU, I wouldn't mind the price, but when everything is soldered, no way!

 

That's exactly what I said. You just said it in a more politically correct and less confrontational manner. Those same bottom-feeders need to also be OK with 30 FPS and 100°C temperatures with their disposable toy crap that has been castrated to accommodate a wimpy sissy-boy form factor.

 

If there was some way to offset the cost of not being able to upgrade, it would be a much more attractive option for sure.

 

..should everyone should lug around a 4KG laptop with a further 1KG in power brick/s just so they aren't carrying a "wimpy sissy-boy" laptop? Get real. What's with your obsession over the masculinity of laptops?

First your problem was with big laptops using BGA. Perfectly valid, things like the crazy Acer x21 should just use desktop processor.
But now it's with thin laptops as well...

PICK ONE

I'll be honest, my P650 is great. It's quite thin/light (particularly compared to my older machines including the P750DM), fits in my bag with all my other tools and crap, $1000 cheaper than a LGA laptop and to nobody's great surprise...plays games pretty damn well. I can even run benchmarks without throttling...WOW

My biggest issue with it, is I couldn't get the 120hz panel for it.

 

That's what I said earlier, and got shot down

The P650 series are a great compromise; they have consistently the highest computational and thermal performance within their weight and size brackets. But to be really honest, I wish Clevo had used MXM, like the previous P150 series, given that the P650 was to replace the P150... Can't really do much about the Intel CPU, but if they'd used standard MXM, that would've been really great.

 

It would probably be heavier and loose a bit of it's purpose for being more slimmer. Still, would be very cool to update the GPU.

 

Currently MXM spec requires a surface mount connector which means your base thickness increases significantly. For reference, from the base of the mounting PCB (typically motherboard) to top of the MXM card is 5.2mm. Then you have to add the height of VRM (tallest GPU components) which is a further 5mm or so, cooling system and finally whatever plastics/aluminium chassis over the top.

BGA (or even a custom board) side-steps the initial 5.2mm height and VRM can be worked around with clever placement so that it doesn't contribute much to the overall height (in the same way desktop GPU heatsinks tend to mount to the core and have cut-outs for the various VRM components to sit in).

There's currently no way around that other than creating a completely new connector. Problem is it's not easy to come up with a robust connector with high enough contact density.

EDIT: an alternative could be to parallel mount the MXM module and use a ribbon cable instead. You'd probably have to send the majority of the power over an external connector though and you'd lose in overall board density. Basically the overall size goes down at the cost of using more length + depth to do it.

 

As always with engineering there is more than one solution to a problem but all of them have different balances of cost/size/weight.

Just because one suits you better than others does not make the others trash.

 

I still think someone should come out with a configuration that has instead of a surface mount, a cutout in the board and 'rails' that you could slide the card into, make it flush with the rest of the board but still removable. Wouldn't solve the likely extra cooling hardware needed and would reduce overall lateral space for other stuff (so smaller battery) but there's a market for everything and a thinner MXM machine i think would go over pretty well.

 

I bet they could keep it thin and cold with a billet aluminum chassis as a massive heat sink and a Peltier cooler with the hot side to the chassis, cold side on the chip.

 

The machine I'm imagining right now would look like a cold war era soviet doomsday device. I wish I had the photoshop skills to mock it up.

 

There's a company that has already done it for desktops: http://www.calyos-tm.com/calyos-fanless-pc-workstation/

Linus tested it and found that it actually works surprisingly well, only downside is that it's heavy as **** (and expensive).

 

All this means this is impossible to archive. BGA can't be heavy. And it can't be too expensive. Forget the idea!!

 

Well... I don't necessarily want it to be as heavy as possible, I just don't mind it if it;s ore powaaaaaa for us!

Let's be honest, why wimp on the CPU if you can put the best CPU out there?

As for smaller notebooks, I do agree that if you really want it, it should exist. The key here is knowledge - You should know beforehand what you're getting yourself into.

BTW

 

The problem is that there is a lack of knowledge. Then, will every single ODM take advantage of the situation and push out more trash. More trash out will only lead to more confusion for those who lack the knowledge from the beginning. Around and around as a bad circle

 

Neat. Cooling a Titan X like that is impressive.

 

I agree. This is a big problem. Before the nice people over at NBR took care of me and explained things to me (5 times over), I didn't really understand all the details I needed to know to make an educated purchase.

To be honest, every single day I learn more things, but at this point I understand much better how everything actually us and what you need to buy and in which situation.

 

Well then.

(Not my image, still funny to think someone can use a touchpad for games. )

 

Well then, is this true?

 

I don't see how that would be true....

 

You can install Google Chrome, but not as defaul browser

 

??? Do you even physics? Just because you've got a large block of aluminium doesn't mean it works well as a heatsink. Heatsinks need surface area, not volume. Of course, the larger the surface area/volume ratio, the more spatially efficient the heatsink is, but the point still stands. Why do you think the best air-based desktop CPU coolers have wrinkled/dimpled fins?

As for Peltier cooling... May as well buy the Asus GX700 watercooling loop. We are talking up to a kilowatt of thermal dissipation here, the cooler in question would need to be huge.

Sometimes I wonder what American high schools and universities teach their students...

 

True or not, it certainly sounds like something the Redmond Mafia would pull out of their colonic bag of dirty tricks. Nowadays they seem to find great pleasure in doing things that multiple millions of Windows users hate.

 

It's the cost of "upgrading" from Windows 10 S (included) and Windows 10 Pro - but I thought it was $40, and now through September (start of school) it's a free upgrade.

With Windows 10 S you are limited as to what you can install (MS Store), and it enforces the default browser being whatever MS wants.

It's likely (possible) it's hackable / configurable, but IDK if it's even out in the field yet - in users hands, as soon as it is I imagine there will be lots of fixes available.

Hands on with Windows 10 S

 

I know what the S stands for, but cannot post it due to forum rules. It rhymes with spit, but it's more disgusting than spit.

 

lol

Now for real, what is wrong with them... Why even make that version of windows? Sounds really limited keeping in mind what Windows is made for and how...

 

I just checked. Windows store doesn't have any of my most used apps, that version S would be useless for a programmer / student...

 

More than likely, this is the whole reason for MS pushing the "S" version of Windows, to provide a captive audience they can market to software developers / vendors, so that they can get that software into their Store.

MS has been trying to get quality apps into their Store, with little to no takers from the professional software arena.

Although I don't know how that will work out for MS, considering at some point the Students will be "educated" enough to revolt and boot their own OS, likely starting in Jr High

 

Micro$loth lives to prey on the stupid. Since Windows 8.0 Insider Beta to now, they have done nothing but release one piece of feces after another, and the retards continue to drool on themselves because they love trash and worship Micro$loth.

 

Failure, upon failure, upon failure, upon failure. Starting to see a trend here? Unless they have a mental disability, or they were just born stupid, I think even a reasonably intelligent elementary school kid can recognize trash when they see it. But, remember... we also have Apple lovers out there, so there is stupid aplenty to be found. Some doesn't even involve Micro$haft. The problem is leadership at the Redmond Nazi compound, or lack thereof. There are imbeciles that work there that want to be more like Apple, which is the nemesis of self-respecting PC enthusiasts. We need a regime change.

 

Back on topic...

Take everything I said and apply it conceptually to BGA filth... and, ditto.

 

Because it's designed to be sold on low cost laptops to compete with chromebooks. If you watched the announcement they showed a bunch of laptops that cost less than $200. So the windows 10 S edition is probably given to OEMs for free or significantly cheaper than the pro or home editions are and MS hopes to make money back through the store.

The upgrade to pro will be free for one year and then costs $49 or something I believe.

I don't see a problem with that since it's aimed at competeting with chromebooks that have the same limitation. What I have a problem with is MS using that OS version on the surface laptop that is not supposed to be a cheap chromebook replacement, the thing costs $1000.

 

Yeah, no kidding. You're already getting screwed royally on a $1,000 piece of dog crap (Surface), and getting a castrated OS on top of that is like adding insult to injury. Surface should cost no more than $500 considering what it is. It's a glorified Chromebook for people that like to flush money down the toilet. This is what happens when people worship at the Church of Zuckerberg and rely on the counsel of the clowns on Facebook.

 

As you see from my post in Windoze X thread. You hit the nail on the head!!

 

It doesn't look too good for serious MS users tho.

I mean that win store alone doesn't give me access to my development software, I couldn't make software only with whats in there....

 

http://9gag.com/gag/a3qeXr8

 

I need to take that survey.

 

Linux master race reporting in.

Since we're going off topic, https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder943/500x/72731943.jpg

 

That's the one thing I liked about Microsoft all the way until Windows 8.1 , that data collection was as that guy put it, mostly about the device, not the person. This all changes with Windows 10. But I reckon there are scripts to block it right? I use this one: https://github.com/W4RH4WK/Debloat-Windows-10

 

Seventh Heart Studios makes games available for Linux as well

My main PC isn't Linux because I work late hours and don't hae the time to learn it, and I don't know if especially Photoshop, Clip Paint and a few other specific software do work with Linux.

 

Can you feel the sadness?...

 

Oh wow!

 

I still remember my box of floppy disks stores with various flashing tools and files on them

 

If you don't specialize in a field, then you know about as much as you've seen in movies about the subject when you're done with college. From a market/business standpoint it makes perfect sense; what is the point of having an accountant who understands organic chemistry or a programmer who understands psychology? From an everyday interaction with other humans standpoint it leads to exchanges like this.

 

Pretty sure this is a wider ecosystem where there will be cheap low end versions so they can compete with chromebooks on all fronts. I mean it's exactly the same concept as a chromebook, just with a different OS.

 

The real question is why a crippled version of Windows adds $700 or $800 to their version of a Chromebook and why anyone of ordinary intelligence would be willing to pay the difference in price. Oh, wait... it's popular and everyone that I want to impress on Facebook likes it.

 

I could have worded it better, but what I meant won't be its final form, I expect we'll see WinS machines down into the $250-$300 range just like Chromebooks. Just not Surface-branded ones.