Clevo + Coffee Lake: Status?

You will see a large difference in benchmarks with single channel ram, less so in the real world

 

nice find man. 213 for CFL seems low so it might really be no IPC increase at all. have to wait and see.

another part is 6c 5ghz at 1.415v? i think its 1.415v seems too high for 14nm++. since silicon lottery chips could do 7800x 6c 5ghz at 1.35v im assuming 14nm++ can be better.

 

Almost Minus IPC Or at best Zero Or fake!!

@ole!!! pushed 50x for yoo

 

More cores usually need a slightly higher voltage, partly as the weakest core dictates the voltage needed.

 

yes and more stuff cramped in there. if u can get one 6c 5ghz for 1.3v it'll be ideal.

 

It should not be cramped, the spacing should be very similar, it will just be bigger (not that much as the CPU cores are actually pretty small, it's mostly IGP and cache).

 

cramp is good

 

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz (6C 12T 4.7GHz, 4.4GHz IMC, 6x 256kB L2, 12MB L3)

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_r...d4ecddeadbe8dafc8eb383a5c0a598a88efdc0f0&l=de

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_r...d5e2d2e0d8edd8fe8cb181a7c2a79aaa8cffc2f2&l=de

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_run.php?q=c2ffc9ef8eefd2ebdbeddae8cebc81b197f297aa9abccff2c2&l=de

 

Has Prema already got its 8700K engineering sample for Clevo compatibility tests?

 

8700k launches october 5th..

http://i.imgur.com/cRFYS6d.png

 

I did my preliminary rating only for the 8250U, I only have enough info for it.
By comparison to the 7600U, the 8250U performs 25%-30% faster in multi-threaded applications and 10% slower in single threaded applications.

By comparison, the 8650U is 40-50% faster in multi threaded applications vs the 7600U and similar in performance for single thread applications.

However, it remains to be seen in practice for how long the boost clocks can be maintained, this is just based on multiple benchmarks. For now, overall, Kaby Lake -R seems 20%-25% better than the old Kaby Lake, same single thread performance, 40% better multi-threaded performance.

 

Have you ever seen a data booking system in an electronic store/shop?

 

nope

 

That looks like a power I green screen

 

so now I hope in a christmas gift from clevo

 

I don't think clevo intends to do a power 9 series machine with green screen interface. IBM did actually do an os400 based laptop in the past though which is quite amusing.

 

clevo wheres the laptop HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM? where is laptop with 8700K with giant fat cpu heatsink?

 

Maybe when Volta come

 

We could always put in vega and use the entire 1080sli heatsink for near single 1080 performance

 

You may have broke it Aka AMD all the way, sir JK

 

its not so much to ask, to be able to properly cool a 6c 12t CPU at 5ghz. my worry is that 7700k is rated at 91w and 8700k is 95w. even though those numbers dont mean much to us, however all OEMS design their computer/heatsink for those value, or worse, which imho is beyond retarded.

if we can get a heatsink twice the size of current p870dm/km with 2 fans working on it that would solve all issue overclocking.

 

take your 7700hq, lock it to 15watt, downvolt it, run same benches the new U cpu had to understand that there is nothing new under the moon for today

been there, done that

 

probably nothing new with energy efficiency considering 8700k either...

 

just around the corner actually not sure how fat though yet, hoping for a 4th fan still, haha

 

its gotta be THIIISSSSS BIG

 

Yeah, just that the 7700HQ has a MSRP of $378 while the 8250U has a MSRP of $297 . Something that should not be overlooked.

 

True, but you will never get same performance from 15watt locked CPU, as you can get from 45w one, don't you think?

It's like saying that 7700 is cheaper than 7700k and praise it for that

 

It doesn't matter really because the cooling system can only handle 15W. Bottom line is that for the same money as a 7200U, you now can get 35% better multi threaded performance. That is a very nice upgrade. It may not be some incredible innovation behind, just some tweaking, but frankly as a consumer I don't care.

 

I am just saying its nothing new: we have been fed same thing again and again, now on bigger portions for the same money... But hey we could have had this already in 2015. Perfect money making system from intel.

 

That I agree. But it's still much better than the 10% gain year to year we've been having since 2012. Hopefully mobile Ryzen will finally make a dent on Intel's laptop dominance.

 

There was no competition in 2015 so Intel did what they would always do in that situation.

 

Exactly what I am pointing out.

 

And we can clearly see the end results from it now AMD is on the ball. And Intel loosing market shares.

 

I never said I agreed with it or that it was the smart thing to do

 

Coffee Lake Coming With 1151 Socket, But Still Requires 300-Series Chipset
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/coffee-lake-intel-socket-1151,35418.html
"The latest information comes from ASRock, which published Intel's imminent Coffee Lake CPUs on a Socket 1151 compatibility list."

How I wish the 200 mother boad series can support coffe lake via bios update so that I can upgrade my KM1. The only issue will be cooling that 6 core processor!

 

Judging by how Intel is rushing Z370/enthusiast products out before the rest of 300 chipsets, it is trying to tackle AMD. This faster roll out might not affect portable/Clevo parts since AMD isn't that much of a threat there.
A BIOS update would be nice, but Intel being Intel. Plus, some changes could be significant despite same socket

 

Eurocom / MSI are waiting until Coffee Lake "2" in 2H18 to bother making a new motherboard for Coffeelake, at least for their new 17.3" whitebook laptop:

Does this mean other vendors won't bother to make Z370 Coffee Lake laptops until 2H18 too?

 

I presume this relates to an F7 with a desktop CPU, hence Z390 board? Pretty sure there will be an in between stage for mainstream bga. Unless Intel really speeds it up, and gives every OEM a hint not to bother until 390

 

If there's a performance / resources issue with the "quick to market" Z270 rebadge as Z370 for Coffee Lake desktop compared to the full boat Z390, the same limitations will be there for Coffee Lake laptop CPU's as well.

Essentially the original Intel Coffee Lake delivery schedule is the same, on track for 2H18 shipment's.

This early "Tea Lake" release is a watered down Coffee Lake release to compete with AMD 6 core, while not matching AMD 8 core performance.

You would think Intel would cancel the Coffee Lake 2 release a year from now and try to come out with Octo-Coffee Lake for 2H18, or earlier.

AMD will still be 2 core's ahead even at Intel Coffee Lake 2 as it stands right now. So 1 Year to delivery + 6 months to 1 year life span, all on 6 core's for Intel. That's Sad.

 

may be msi/clevo are working on ryzen 8-cores laptops atm?

 

Are you referring to the new 8gen U parts as Tea Lake? Those were quick to market.
Also, I wouldn't equate AMD's (questionable in terms of some uses) core count lead in desktop parts to a strong laptop showing. So far on the gaming side we only have that one ROG, which, while performing well on the CPU side, is hindered by the 580. And it's only one such device.
Not even a barebone with ryzen (or whatever the laptop marketing name was) that I can think of being available

 

6-core desktop coffee lake cpus should be released next october

 

That would be awesome, Ryzen 5 / 7 + RX56 / RX580 / RX570 desktop for mobile

Maybe filling in the entry level gaming laptop and general use laptop range with the new Ryzen mobile APC's

 

Now people ask ryzen 8-cores cpus

 

No, the Coffee Lake #2 (original Coffee Lake) Z390 part is the full performance + expanded resources desktop chipset which releases in 2H18, while the about to be released Z370 is a rebadge of the Z270 supporting Coffee Lake #1 or "Tea Lake" with no additional resource expansion - only limited Coffee Lake support, releasing soon.

Clevo + Coffee Lake: Status?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-coffee-lake-status.807915/page-29#post-10597913

Putting 2 + 2 together with delay in creation / shipping of the F7 17.3" Coffee Lake laptop, with MSI waiting to make this laptop until the Z390 is shipping in 2H18:

*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-803#post-10597704

I wonder if the Z390 with original Coffee Lake support will come out on LGA 1151 or a completely different socket altogether?

 

Maybe they did it this way for prevent Coffe 6 core support. They haven't time for fix a real Chipset due AMD. The real chipset will be Z390.

 

Intel is

 

Yup, and Intel are making and going to make a lot of mistakes, ruining products by trying to get them out earlier than scheduled, taking Intel down further in reliability and reputation.

We basically can't count on Intel for any of this rushed stuff to be reliable or worth it, and it's best ignored until Intel stops panicking and Intel starts to put out "real" new products that are well thought out and full baked.

If we follow the Intel Roadmap from before AMD Ryzen released that will give the best time line for the real products.

If Intel keeps panicking the way they have been, any new long term plans will likely change many times along the way as new AMD releases interrupt Intel's "best laid plan's".

 

Intel are under some pressure in the desktop space but not the mobile space. Now add a 6 core mainstream part which for most people will kill the need for an X299 or X399 setup and not only give strong single threaded performance ahead of everything else but strong multi core and it could turn the tables quite significantly against AMD again.