Clevo + Coffee Lake: Status?

You almost touched on the point I thought you were going to make, that the Coffee Lake ST/MT performance would also kill sales for all of the Intel products it matched or beat, that's a much larger swath of product range than would affect AMD.

And, with the "real" Coffee Lake product not here for another 3-4 quarters AMD will sell their cheaper high / higher performance products over the "Tea Lake" release, while Intel would be cannibalizing their higher profit product ranges.

 

Still, Intel need a 8 core i7 for mainstream desktops, or they will risk being left behind. Maybe therfore we will see Z390 only a short time after Z370. Mind you, I dont talk about Mobile.

 

z390 is scheduled for 2nd half of 2018.... that's 6/2018 or after...

 

Sighs, at the rate this is going, I am just going to hold onto a cheap 2nd hand desktop then; neither camp is making me want to buy their stuff at 1st hand prices at the moment!

 

What will be the NVIDIA GPU model by that time? VOLTA w/ HBM2 memory? If that's the case then better to wait then maybe 144hz 4k laptop display will also be available together with it!

 

I know. Intel has screwed themselves up into a corner with mainstream!! Not having a 8 core to compete with Amd, is a terrible choice and decision!! Some should be fired!! A very small company could break its neck and go under with similar workmanship and
awkward decisions.

 

Not really, most users don't need more than 12 threads, having 6 cores and faster single core performance is better than 8 slower cores for the vast majority of people.

There are edge cases by I am talking 95-99% of users here.

 

Now people can have an AM4 8-core Ryzen and in future they can use the same motherboard for Ryzen2.
Is Intel z370 compatible with ice lake cpus?

 

Yeah, Im fully aware of Intel's faster single core performance and higher OC potential.
But I'm fairly sure that more than 1-5% computer users, as you said don't need more than 12 threads, will skip Intel's ship due they only can offer 6 cores chips for mainstream. And I'm sure Intel don't stop with 6 cores for LGA mainstream. This was the only they could manage to throw out right now. We will talk more about what people said or really need when Z390 being released. 6 core ain't and won't be Intel's best offer in mainstream desktops within 2018 is finished.

 

Intel could use coffee lake2 14nm 8-cores cpus like a test platform before changing production method. so they have datas for developing new ice lake 10nm 8-cores cpus IMO

 

honestly though, that line all started with intel's bribing to go for higher IPC and less cores. had that not happen in the past, our software nowadays would take so much more advantage on multi core system like 6-8 cores easily, if thats the case, majority of people would be on multi core system as well and can't go without one.

welp, oct 5th 8700k release date need it SOON

 

More of it might be but it's not just a case of flipping a switch, it's not easy to write most kinds of programs to go to higher core counts.

 

thats why i mentioned way back, software takes time, and with 5-10 yrs this would already given enough time to develop them. im not talking about the new cpu extensions, simply just using multi-core is a start.

intel had the power to force that change, they didn't, they instead wanted to stagnant so we are stuck where we are now.

 

Then again a lot don't even use 4 threads even though 2 cores 4 threads is pretty mainstream.

 

post removed because someone asked me to remove it because they had an NDA.

However - I was never told I could not share it, and I carefully asked, and it was awhile ago.


Anyways. cheers.

 

I have people who ask me pretty much daily for updates on this stuff, lol, I will just direct them here instead. On occasion I get a glimpse ahead of time, but I wouldn't really have anything not mentioned here I assume.

 

For people looking at cores, NBC just put up a "live" review (ie, it's not finished) of the ASUS GL702ZC with Ryzen 7 1700:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Live-...zen-7-1700-Radeon-RX-580-Laptop.247548.0.html
Here's the German link which appears to get updated quicker: https://www.notebookcheck.com/Live-...zen-7-1700-Radeon-RX-580-Laptop.247470.0.html

To nobody's great surprise the single-thread performance is a solid "meh" but the the multi-core demolishes the 7700K which is good news for people who want to do renders or video work on the go. I imagine if it was paired with something faster than 2400mhz RAM it'd also benefit.
Doesn't show anything on temps but I imagine they'll be half-decent given the desktop results.

The RX580M is nothing to write home about.
One thing that surprises me, is it apparently comes with a 280W PSU. Not sure what the go is with that. The RX580M (I'm calling it "M" since it's clocked at 1077mhz which is below the desktop version) only lists 72.4W but that may not be correct given GPU-Z is not update on their machine.

Paired with a Nvidia GPU this could REALLY shine in desktop replacements and mobile workstations. Most heavy rendering apps are either CPU core heavy, or lean more on Nvidia GPUs (via CUDA etc).

 

question!! if z370 chipset or in this case its the actual CPU you're talking about, wont come out till late of nov, do oems have early access to purchase them bunch?

if not then we wont see the new laptop till maybe dec or early 2018. if clevo gets the new CFL/z370 chipset early like mentioned oct 5th, then we can expect laptop to hopefully come earlier no?

 

It's chipsets, see, like Skylake was the 100 series and Kabylake was the 100 Series, Coffeelake is the 300 series.

Does that answer the question ?

 

Depends how yoo see it, bruh
Intel® 100 Series Chipsets - Intel® 200 Series Chipsets

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Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Motherboard Line and Specs Also Surface - Quad Channel-Guru3d.com

 

Interesting how somebody was expecting something mind blowing from the Ryzen 702.
With that (or any AMD card) RX580 you need a power plant and a cooling tower, no surprises until Vega improvements make their way to mobile.
Late November for desktop 8xxx in Clevo seems about right, certainly should you give us something to talk about before BGAs hit in Q1 and Z390 in Q318

 

EDIT - NDA issue resolved, just looking out for resellers on here

 

yep, editing out names/brands would be a good idea

 

Meh... Intel Core i7-8700K Cinebench CB 15 Benchmarks-Guru3d.com

@ole!!! Be prepared to run into the toilet and throw up, if this is all you get And please, don't look into the mirror. All you will see is a sick man with a nasty Puke Green color

Edit. The Single threaded score isn't bird or fish. Look after my older 4.7GHz Single threaded CinbenchR score (205cb) I showed you.

This scores is fishy. Some pulled a joke. Do your math. This is 50x single Threaded score in CBR-15

Fire up the ugly New modern calculator in Windoze X, if you still have it. And calculate a score based on 50% moore cores with 4.3GHz boost clock for all cores.

 

NDA or not aside. It's actually nice to know someone here in the community really doesn't want us pissing money down the drain. No one wants to drop 3-4k on a machine to then have a six core come out the next month... or that that MXM is going to change design ala DM1 - that sh#t ain't cool either. I can tell you from experience, when that happens you feel an overwhelming sense resentment towards a brand you're trying to support.

 

I agree...it sucks...always has for decades now. However it does not justify or excuse violating the Non Disclosure Agreement.

 

is z370 compatible with skylake and kabylake? is coffee lake1 compatible with z170 and z270? these are simple questions!! 2000/3000 euros for a died motherboard/socket is not acceptable and Intel should be clear with customers IMO

 

The risk at least these days is not missing out on a Direct X level and not being able to run titles at least.

 

I always ask if I can share new info, I was not told I could not share this. But if it makes you uncomfortable I removed it.

 

I've told plenty a buyer of mine or would be buyer of mine to wait a few months.
Pretty much killed my own sales for the last few months cause of it.
Feels good and bad at the same time, lol...FML !

 

no NDA was broken, no my fault of my own, I always ask what I can share when it's "news". I've had this info for quite awhile too, like it's been a month.

 

If you are not a party to the Non Disclosure Agreement, then you didn't violate it. However by disclosing to you without notice that the information was under Non Disclosure, whoever disclosed to you is definitely in violation. They are actually in violation when disclosed to anyone who is not party to the Agreement.

You apparently quoted an email...correct? If so, was it specifically addressed to you only, or was it an email blast?

 

for the record I literally ask if I can share this stuff always, but yes it was an email, but before any negative drama comes out of it, I'm just going to ask a mod to remove someone who quoted me and let that be the last of there being any sign of it.

I had no idea there was an NDA about, honestly. I get this type of info almost weekly or monthly, I don't normally share much of it, because it's not very interesting. I only shared this one, because the dates changed. Like it was an update.

 

Thanks! much appreciate!

 

Well, one could argue it's inevitable in tech nowadays - there is always something new around the corner that you could wait for.
Of course, it's worse if you happen to get a top-of-the-line machine just becomes no longer top of the line.
Late November is still a wait, and 2018 even more so.
Plus, some here (myself included) aren't expecting much of an improvement for now (Intel being Intel)

 

It didn't make me uncomfortable, I pointed it out like I said because it could get you and the reseller into trouble. I edited my post as you edited your's, so no hard feelings and things can settle down again ;-)

I would just recommend that, if there is a lack of specific information from a reseller regarding launch dates or NDA dates, especially when we're talking about new hardware which has not been launched yet, the general rule of thumb is wait until the launch day and press release comes from the component manufacturer.

 

Oh hey no worries, I honestly didn't know of any NDA. I didn't follow much of this thread either, so in my mind retrospectively I was just updating people, because they inadvertently keep asking me everyday or calling me and asking for news etc.

 

Too much jargon here. Can someone put in layman's terms what this means for the ge73vr and the pa70hs? Will they be available with the 8700k in october? Should I continue to wait? I've been waiting since February to buy a laptop while I use my mom's old imac. I'm not sure I can hold out much longer...

 

HK and HQ are soldered cpus. So they are not LGA and they should be available for the start of 2018

 

Okay so the soonest those models will have a cpu update is next year? I can't wait that long so I'm going to buy the ge73vr now.

 

Clevo P775dm3 should have a LGA 6-cores coffee lake for november. It is better than that msi

 

Where are you located?

Do you want the CM238 chipset version or the HM175?

Which GPU do you want?

 

Hah I know nothing about chipsets. All I want is a 1070 in a 17 inch notebook that is smaller than the gt72vr and doesn't hit 90c+ in overwatch and bf1 with stock paste. I live in Brooklyn.

 

How do you even find out if a chipset is lga or bga? Intel doesn't seem to list it.

 

All mobile CPUs are BGA, the desktop ones you find in notebooks are LGA. Also note the "M" in the chipset name and CPU name.

 

Anyone have an idea of how big the tornado f7 will be or what case it will be based on? Will it be bigger than a gt72vr?

 

You can't put in a 95w 6 core Cpu in a laptop with Apple design. LGA socket need a bit thicker chassis design than those who contain soldered on BGA processors.

 

I think it could be similar to eurocom px7

 

It won't be any smaller...it almost has to be bigger.

 

8700K $466 US at current exchange rates...$389 Euro.

European Core i7 8700K Coffee Lake prices Spotted in Germany
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/european-core-i7-8700k-coffee-lake-prices-spotted-in-germany.html