Clevo + Ryzen: possible?

I think Clevo would rather let ASUS dip their toe into that river first, to see if they get eaten by anything before proceeding. If they see other companies having success they will probably explore it more.

 

Nothing I can report on.

As I explained, this is about how AMD do/don't/to what extent enable the laptop ODMs to utilise AMD components and technology, not the other way round.

 

The higher prices intel try to grab, the higher is the chances for AMD Intel Slashing 'Intel Inside' Marketing Funds For OEMs, Higher PC Prices Now Likely

 

That they're not removing it entirely makes me think they're keeping it in their back pocket in case Ryzen 2 has a bigger impact on their market share.

 

AMD need to hit the mobile space hard to really leave a dent.

 

More importantly they need to hit it FAST, otherwise they'll quickly lose their window of opportunity to actually take advantage of their core efficiency.

The Intel 8000 series is basically Intel panicking and pooping out a product as a result. Problem is even though we all know this, there's no getting around the fact the 4-core ULV CPUs perform very well and the entire range (45W 4/6/cores) will sell quite simply because it's the "new" Intel chip.

Ideally, they could absolutely demolish the thin/light gaming market (which seems to be a huge money-maker the past few years) if they paired with a Nvidia GPU, simply because Intel's chips get so damn hot.

 

Will Intel release mobile processors with more than 45W TDP ? Or is thin and flimsy the target? Next unlocked HK Mobile from Intel (if it will be named 8820Hk I don't know) is still a 45W chips.
35-Watt and 65-Watt mobile Ryzen processors might be coming soon

Faster graphics, oh well. More important than the pure cores. G series YEEES. Can I smell G for gaming?

 

No more Intel Inside = No more bribe from Intel
So can we expect more Ryzen Laptop from Clevo ?
Why 4 cores 8 threads is still a thing in 2018 ? I know there is Coffee Lake Clevo Laptop but this thing is freaking expensive! (over $2000)
Clevo W650kk1 with maximum config (Desktop CPU i7 7700 + 16GB DDR4 + 1050ti 4GB) costs less than $1000
http://www.eluktronics.com/w650kk1
Clevo W650kk1 with Ryzen 2 would be sweet , don't you think ?

 

Intel Inside isn't being cancelled, the structure is changing. It's not a sales bribe, it's a marketing channel (and unless people aren't familiar with how the industry works, AMD and every other component manufacturer has similar marketing structures, so do phone/TV/car manufacturers etc etc etc) - so it doesn't directly affect the sales value, it affects the marketing budget. From the article posted above:

"If Intel is no longer sweetening the pot [as much], it could lead system builders to adopt processors from rival AMD, which has always offered a value proposition with regards to its processors."

It's not exactly as clear cut as that, this is a rather general assumption not an accurate conclusion. For example, you could argue that system builders might see more benefit in offering AMD, but then again the desktop PC Ryzen demand speaks for itself without taking marketing budgets into account. It won't directly affect what ODMs can do with Ryzen in laptops - these are two very separate topics. In order to see more Ryzen powered laptops, the ODMs know what they want to offer and it's up to AMD to support this in the best way that they can.

 

A 65W integrated solution with a decent amount of bandwidth could be really reasonable for quite a few people.

 

AMD's 7 nm Zen 2 and EPYC Rome CPUs coming in late 2018
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-s-7-nm-Zen-2-and-EPYC-Rome-CPUs-coming-in-late-2018.281504.0.html

 

about the 15:30 mark.

 

We will see if any of it is interesting to the high performance space.

 

RX Vega M excites me.

 

Any news about clevo+amd ryzen+nvidia gpu?

 

So much 8th gen intel hype that I doubt anything will make anyone's radar in the immediate future.

 

And intel G cpus with integrated amd gpus?

 

I think I saw a Dell with one, but no Clevos yet.

 

Nothing.

 

Thanks

 

Thanks.

 

Shame, Ryzen+ and a 1070 would be a workhorse for the masses.

 

The masses benefit more from the higher MHz and lower power consumption.

 

That applies to anything, but doesnt gusrantee a lower price point like AMD does right now.

 

Neither does AMD guarantee a lower price point.

 

Sure dude

Find me another laptop with 8 core processor for 1500 USD.

 

8 cores which don't really benefit the masses you were talking about, having 6 faster cores is better for them.

 

So you cant, got it.

 

I'm getting flashbacks of the playground.

That 1500 USD 8 core machine gets beaten in every way in taking by a 1070 max-q based machine which can be had for around the same amount.

It's quieter, faster and lighter.

So when there is a product that really provides tangible benefits to the consumer and the price is actually lower then it's worth considering.

 

None of which are cooling a 1700, and none of which are equipped with a 16 thread CPU but both gimped GPU and CPU.

There are plenty of benefits for the consumer, its just a shame your not able to recognize a single one.

I had 3 people today alone complaining that siege wouldnt output more than 20 FPS in their new i7 GTX 1070 and 1060 laptops at 720p with the lowest settings.

Who cares if its lighter if it cant even run tasks in the mainstream audience? Its absurd.

 

That's the whole point, they don't have to cool the 1700 which draws large amounts of power.

If it's not running well on the 7700hq with 1070 it's likely not running well on the 1700 with 580m either.

 

Your attempting to change the parameters of the point I made.

Your welcome to go there, but Im not making that argument. Never once did I say we should fit 1700 into a frame that barely cools gimped hardware.

Thats nonsensical.

 

So put it into something larger like the ones that support an 8700 or 8700K and have it compete there?

 

I think you guys are missing the point I made, my argument was from a price point perspective, not a form factor perspective.

 

But it does not fit the smaller form factor in terms of power consumption. It would need to be larger and then you have to develop it with no support so it would end up selling at a higher cost than the Intel units due to those development costs.

 

Sounds like it would still be an odd duck, not really competitive with anything of similar form factor. Maybe a lower price is worth that but it doesn't sound like a safe bet for Clevo to me.

 

Again not my argument. Im not sure why you think lower price point = crap cooling or tiny laptop but thats your own bias at play.

Nothing is a safe bet in business.

If they could figure out how to get the Ryzen 1700 into the same form factor as my Ranger, I would be switching the moment I could. And yes, the Ranger can handle upwards of 100w with 4 stacked heatpipes. There are multiple avenues to disperse the heat.

 

I think that clevo is not considering amd ryzen cpus because they could soon have an intel 8-cores cfl with new intel z390. May be september?! So many work and money for integrating an amd chip in a new mobo when they can use a z390 and recycle a lot of work from z170/z270/z370 models saving a lot of money. And new nvidia gpus could also arrive for that upgrade

 

The reason it's not happened yet is the same reason as at the start of this thread - unfortunately for customers who want Ryzen and for companies that want to sell Ryzen:

I'm not attacking AMD here, or in the other 20 odd posts I made in this thread - and I understand that it looks like I could have been over-defensive of Clevo on this topic. But the fact remains that, as booring as it is, there is no Intel/AMD/NVIDIA conspiracy here. Only one simple reason, as I explained in the above quoted post.

 

Whether something is likely to sell in numbers can affect whether they make it though. Just because you or I would buy something doesn't mean there's a wider market or even then that it would be a good return on investment.

 

You nailed it. Clevo is a lazy ass company, that's basicially it. They keep reusing the same design over and over and over again, they don't fix janky cooling design or anything else. It's such a shame especially considering how the ryzen CPU's are so much superior to Intels crap. Those CPU's might not have as many IPC's, but are way more than powerful enogh to run games, are much better for work and most importantly, they run a heck of a lot cooler than Intel CPU's.

 

Please read my above post. What I said (on this page and on the first page of this thread) is factually accurate, it's not based on conjecture.

 

Ill just have to continue waiting for a company to make a laptop for my needs.

Ill be selling my Ranger in due time as well and just build an SFF desktop. m4600 will suffice for now. Its not like there are any games of interest at the moment anyways.

 

And I call tell you that's a load of bs.

pbhenry started his custom notebook project (designing and building notebook from scratch), he wanted to ask for licenses and help from intel, guess what? They didn't want to do jack s*it, refused to cooperate and work something out. But then, when he asked AMD, they were willing to support him and make it happen.

So don't give us that bs.

 

Did a quick search and could not find a project linked to that name to start looking at the claim.

However there are fundamentals in engineering and finance that users here are understandably not well versed in. I don't want to sound mean but people have displayed a lack in understanding by posting what they have.

 

You're pretty bad at searching then because not only did he mention it here but he also has a youtube channel dedicated to his project.


His first plan was to go for a z370 based chip and use intel CPU's, but that had to be changed because intel is...well intel.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/what-do-you-value-would-you-like-to-see-in-a-laptop.813570/

There you go.

So ya, XMG's explanation is bs.

 

Ok so it's not a Kickstarter it's an individual project that has no relation to a world wide mass produced product. So it bears no impact on the discussion.

Also his forum name is pbhenry3 not pbhenry which is why the search brought up nothing.

 

Forgot that the site is half broken.
Also it does matter. You just want to disregard it because it's bad for your business when people realize how garbage clevo are without modding it.

 

There is your agenda showing again

 

AMDs engineering team is also not treated as much as a disposable asset when engineering projects are finished so you have more people retained in the company that know the arch and its quirks intel has the money they dont care. Its probably been discussed already...but the Z-Height of the ZIF Socket + CPU puts it squarely into nearly the same thickness the P755 and P870 enjoy which alone will lead to much lower sales overall and if it is paired with an RX580 like the ROG why would someone pay that much for a laptop that thick with the performance of a 1060? Not all of us are using the laptops for just cpu heavy workloads so its even more of a niche plus board design time by the time Ryzen was seen as successful enough would of pushed it to EOL of Gen1 cpus. Clevos and any manufactures best option is to wait for Z390 and Ryzen+ launches to develop for those fresh and gauge if its worth splitting the stack even more.. Whats going to really matter is the I7-9700K performance vs. 2700X because Ryzens side benefits like more lanes goes out the window in laptop form factor. AMD has also promised smaller form factor motherboard designs that have not come about yet so being smart Clevo could have sat around to see if it did happen to then build upon that instead of having to work off the B350 or X370 designs and reworking them to fit the chassis which would take more time....its not like Intels design where they have the groundwork every-time for the most part from previous releases.

Unfortunately Intels been only high end on laptop space and its going to take more than one successful generation of desktop cpus to make it get used in proper. AMD Also has to figure out a way to offer BGA (cant believe im saying this) versions of the 2700, etc so they can be put in thinner laptops...

p.s and if there seems to be any bias...I literally go by AMDNeko everywhere else lol