Clevo + Ryzen: possible?

As much as I want to believe you, I can't leave that one alone - Zentrica R9-M295X, DELL W7170m, GeCube RX 480, DELL WX 7100. How these happened? Why there was no clevo with Tonga or Polaris? Tell me again that it wasn't up to clevo.

 

Dell go their own way. Always did. Not many of the ODM put in AMD graphics. Dell and Apple

 

That's what I'm asking why clevo is not among them?

 

Look at it the another way. It is possible Clevo only follow the majority of the ODM's. Does not mean anything other than this. And AMD has offered almost nothing in recent years. Why should they bother?

 

Because of this.

Whatever. I'm finally writing off clevo. Enjoy whatever you want.

 

The range of good products is more and more limited. But more and more garbage being pushed out every year. The range of garbage is enormous. And will only escalate. Sad but true. I'm sick of this.

 

In my post that you quoted, I said nothing of the sort.

Back on topic....................

 

I think it's a case of people reading what they want to read.

XMG and myself are saying exactly the same thing on this matter. All the information you need to figure out why there is not a launch Ryzen system for any notebook is out there.

Polaris was not good enough in performance or power to be worth considering putting design effort in really.

 

@Meaker@Sager - yup, agreed.

 

I might not give a damn about clevo anymore, but it doesn't mean that I wont respond if affects me directly:

Given that I named a few MXM GPUs (I intentionally missed the soldered ones), tell me where the blame is then.

You sure? Let's go back and recap - you were talking mainly about cooling and then for redesign that it would involve (which is not obligatory (talking about the chassis here)). XMG was talking mainly about some reason other than redesign.

Really? Tell me how you see a 95W RX 480 (i.e. binned, or we forgot that word) at lower cost than the competing products? Then we go to performance - not good?! What about DX12, wasn't good enough as well? nGREEDIA did a great job with the whole desktop in laptop, it's just people fail to realize that it's power-hungry, hot-running chips first and performance second. The same people were/are pointing fingers at AMD and say that they were/are too hot. Entertaining doesn't even begin to describe it.

 

Lets break it down, the RX480 uses more power at stock than an overclocked 1060 does. Performance is similar to the 1060 in a lot of ways as a direct competitor looking at a broad picture.

Now you need to design a PCB + Heatsink, do the validation and driver support on a card that sits in the lower end of the product stack and sell it to enthusiasts in a platform that already has a markup due to the form factor.

For the 1060 all you had to do was put the chip on the same PCB as the 1070 and 1080 and populate it with less memory chips and power phases.

Suddenly it's not so cheap anymore without some serious help.

The BOM cost for an end user deliverable is only a fraction of the story.

 

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Cool story. Now tell it again in regards to GTX 480m - special board (because of the big @$$ chip) *, late to the party, hotter, more expensive, yet it was there and I bet it outsold the AMD (5870m). This is what I'm saying the whole time - it's fine if nGREEDIA puts yet another crap, but if it's AMD, it has to be PERFECT AND CHEAP in order to have a CHANCE of seeing it. Yeah, that's why clevo is dead to me. I might bring some flowers later.

EDIT: * Forgot the main star.

 

So you're saying they should repeat the failure of the 480m rather than learn from it?

 

P870DM3 is a proof that they "learned" a lot in that case (sarcasm, translates as - they've learned nothing at all). And yes I do realize that I want a Ryzen in the same chassis (and I said that it's better to be single GPU), but again - it can be done for some, but not for others. So, are they learning from their mistakes? No.

Root for monopoly guys, I dearly hope that the next xx60 GPU would cost you $2499, which can be installed in a $5999 barebones. OWWWWWW YEAAAAHHH!!! Enjoy.

 

The main problem with AMD is that the power draw is too high, this isn't a significant issue on a desktop, but once we are talking laptops, it is a question about improving the cooling (from fans to heatsinks to new thermal design and relocation of everything in the chassis) to a even larger PSU.

Which is basically a headache in itself.

I for one, for now, cannot imagine cramming the current Ryzen generation and a AMD GPU into a desktop replacement or a gaming station laptop. You will need a refrigerator to cool down the laptop.

And that is just for stock... now if you OC (don't even mention OV) you will have to be sitting somewhere near the northern pole, outside, to have optimal temps.


Until we see better power draws from their GPU, it is nSHI**** all the way. Ryzen can work tho, again, if the cooling will be optimised.... The prices on laptops will most likely be absurd anyways, as always.

 

The main problem for AMD is they have about a 6 year long history of selling loser GPUs and 10+ year history of selling loser CPUs, and zero effort to even pretend to participate in the high performance notebook space. People that want and can afford the best performance available won't settle for mediocrity and lameness. It is difficult to trust and respect a company that has been AWOL this long and focusing on kids toys (console gaming). Working with them would be a potentially huge financial risk for any notebook ODM. It could also be very rewarding if things work out in the right way. One thing that needs to happen is for AMD to release an enthusiast grade GPU that overclocks extremely well and is capable of matching or beating the 1080 Ti. This needs to happen on both desktop and notebook platforms for them to be taken seriously in the enthusiast circles. AMD have been the laughing stock in PC world for a long time. Ryzen has potential to bring about a positive change, but the trust factor has yet to be re-established.

 

Intel's Cannon Lake PC chip shipments may slip into next year

"If you were expecting to buy laptops with Intel’s next-generation Core chips—code-named Cannon Lake—by the end of this year, you may be disappointed."

"There’s a chance that shipments of Cannon Lake—Intel’s first on the 10-nanometer production process—may slip into next year."

"So don’t expect Cannon Lake laptops during this year’s holiday season. Instead, users will be able to get PCs with 8th Generation Core processors, which are made on the 14-nm process. PCs now are available with 7th Generation Core processors code-named Kaby Lake."

"Those 8th Generation Core laptops may be more attractive to customers. The first 10-nm Cannon Lake chips will be slower than 14-nm 8th Generation Core processors. Intel acknowledged the speeds during the manufacturing event, with a chart showing 10-nm chips catching up with 14-nm chip performance in one to two years."

"The first Cannon Lake chips will be targeted at low-power laptops and 2-in-1s. PC makers typically need time to test the chips in laptops, so availability of the chips in mainstream PCs may drag into 2018."

 

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/release(372)ec

Eurocom launches Dual Processor, Quad GPU 19.1” UltraHD Tornado F9 Mobile Supercomputer Super Laptop supporting dual AMD Ryzen 7 series desktop processors with four desktop GPUs

Eurocom launches 19.1” UltraHD Tornado F9 Super High Performance Mobile Supercomputer Super Laptop supporting dual AMD Ryzen 7 series desktop processors with Dual SLI NVIDIA GeForce 1080Ti MXM 3.1 desktop graphics, or AMD Radeon RX580, 8 SODIMM, 6 NVME M.2 SSD drives


maybe a joke Ahahahaha!

 

They gonna need 1200W PSU or 2x top of the line Eurocom 780W adapter for that beast lol
Too bad, Nvidia no longer supports 3 , 4 GPUs in SLI ...
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3071...fficially-supports-only-2-way-sli-setups.html

 

It is April 1st after all ;-)

 

They should had tried bettet with the image though

Looks like a 2007' laptop with that DVDROM lol

 

and this ​

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/release(371)ec
Canadian Government Backs Canada-based Hardware Developer with Mental Health for Pets Virtual Reality Initiative (MHPVR)

 

Give an Finger to laptops and grab one of those chassis that you can fit whatever you want inside

 

You can always sacrifice portability for more performance of course

 

Now with the 12 and 16 cores in the corner is more exciting to have a portable pc than a laptop.

The best investment is the 1700 as in some months we will see the 16cores.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-1700-1700X-1800X-Review.208742.0.html

 

Hopefully AMD continues to improve their performance per watt as they tune their design and process

 

We need many months for this to become reality.

 

Yes nothing moves that quickly in the world of process and architecture design.

 

It does. On paper. Haha

 

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...-reviewed-taking-fight-intel-mid-range-market

Time for AMD to really bring the fight to Intel!

 

AMD Ryzen R7 8-core will suck power as a power Hog. The Cooling must be improved if Clevo shall push out 8 core chips. AMD Ryzen 8 core chips in different Aida64 loads

 

And in fanboy arguments too

 

Nothing new when it comes to AMD. Historically, their CPUs tend to draw more power than comparable Intel chips.

 

Depends on the chip, but the 1700/1700x actually run significantly under Intel 8-core chips. There's also the 20C temperature offset to consider. Most reviews haven't been adjusted for that yet.

The R7 1700 would be a pretty good candidate. It actually uses less power than the 7700K (stock for stock) and runs a pretty significant performance lead under well threaded benchmarks.

 

Generally process related as Intel always has a step ahead in the fabrication game.

 

And Intel coming Intel 300 series chipsets to integrate USB 3.1 Gen 2 and Gigabit WIFI - Guru3d.com You're welcome

As expected... BGA Trash will also come with 6C-12T as I have seen before.

"Intel 300 series desktop processor motherboard will be based on the current LGA 1151 socket. Earlier rumours stated that the 300 Series chipset's Coffee Lake-S processor will provide 6 Cores 12 threaded CPUS, which is Intel's first in the mainstream platform to enhance the number of processors and threads."


Intel axes IDF 2017 as a sign of the changing times - Notebookcheck.net

"Both San Francisco and Shenzhen have been homes to IDF events. Last year's IDF in San Francisco, which can now be considered the last of its kind, was already heavily focused on IoT, automotive, Optane, and smart clothing rather than PCs and raw processing power It's understandable that Intel will be thinning its PC lineup due to wider opportunities elsewhere."

 

Psst....this is the Ryzen thread. There's already a rant thread for that.

Back on topic though, looks like Ryzen 5 was a miss on power consumption. Oddly, the R7 1700 consumes less power than the 6-core 1600x under load which seems to be a side-effect of the lower chips being a cut down die (perhaps lower binned).

 

A native quad core die would help, cut down silicon tends to never quite get the best power consumption.

 

Intel will not succeed easily if the prices remain sky high. We will see 16 core ryzen cpu during the year. The problem is that mobile computing we will not see soon low tdp 8 core cpus.

 

We will need a refocused effort of a dynamic turbo I think which is able to properly turbo up with some cores switched off (with an effective range in the 1Ghz region would be useful).

 

AMD Raven Ridge APU
http://wccftech.com/amd-raven-ridge-ryzen-apu-vega-gpu-leak/

 

We know the AMD quad core is passable performance wise but the GPU/memory bandwidth will make/break it.

 

clevo with skylake-x or 8700k, or jumpship to desktop.

 

Skylake x for now is identical to skylake mainstream but with a hotter chipset

 

Look what Dell made: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-15-5576-gaming-laptop/dncwpa307sv2

 

This and RX 460 for $830? Nah, not a chance . For the same price , you could buy true Quad Core i5 7300HQ + GTX 1050 (Inspiron 15 7000)

Go Ryzen or go home , Dell

 

Bristol Ridge and Polaris thought right, did this launch recently? Could only find one suggestion that it was from the 17th May.

 

The FX 9830 is similar to a intel dual core, like the 7200U. The RX 460 is similar im performance with the 1050 (not the Ti) version.