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    Clevo 2019

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by steberg, Jan 6, 2019.

  1. jclausius

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    any reviews or news on the clevo p96 yet? seems a bit bigger (especially the width) compared to say an msi gs65 or acer triton 500 but i guess that might help cooling?
     
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    It's wider simply because it has a 16.1" screen instead of 15.6" (even though both it and the GS65 have thin bezels).
     
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    meh, 10% faster at 1080p and 20% at 1440p.....
     
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    Soo... just asking, the PB50/51 is sold in Europe by XMG only? Not that I don't like them, but they are usually a bit more expensive than other resellers...
     
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    Take look at stock cloak speeds and TDP for 1080.

    In regular 17 laptop it is higher than 1800mhz/150TDP.

    For example in my case it is 1887 mhz/200 tdp stock.

    I guess that at 1080p - they're almost same for non rtx games.
     
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    Even the overclocking ability seems weak, only 70 mhz overclock on core. I hope this can increase if there is a tdp mod available.

    At least it runs cooler though.
     
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    To ask the obvious, have you checked the other European Clevo Boutique web sites?

     
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    it might run cooler only because of 15 vs 17.

    It is clear that p775xx have way more better cooling than p751xx
     
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    A TDP-modded RTX 2060 (running at 1850 MHz+) could easily come within 5 fps of a stock desktop GTX 1080. See the Gamers Nexus review of the RTX 2060 - it's generally 5-10 fps behind the 1080 in most games.
     
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    Also because the 2080 is easier to cool due to the lower TDP and much larger die.
     
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    2080 is built for quality not quantity. Can it push 4k above 60fps?
     
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    sure, on quality low settings :F
     
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    A GTX 1080ti equivalent is good for some 4k gaming, lets not get sucked in by hyperbole.
     
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    Not all of them but I've checked some, yes. Unfortunately, it still seems pretty rare. I even contacted the sales support team of some resellers and as far as they were able to say, by now, they do not have plans to sell it.
     
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    It might take a few days for the latest models to show up.
     
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    I have yet to see any mobile RTX 2080 that is a 1080 Ti equivalent out of the box.
     
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    In BF V @4k res, the rtx 2080 (XMG Ultra 15) is at the same level as the gtx 1080 Ti:

    Source: NBC
     
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    At 4k the extra memory bandwidth of GDDR6 really helps.
     
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    Exactly!
    DLSS & RT disabled and what Turing is left with is essentially an optimized Pascal with a few more Shaders, shrunk to 12nm and with a new vRAM. The vRAM alone is responsible for roughly 10% performance improvement at 3K/4K.
     
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    Resellers please provide more 3K/4K panel options. Why almost all 2080 RTX are paired up with 1080P?
     
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    Will your vbios for 2070/2080 be available from resellers with whom you cooperate or will the situation be like with 10xx gen?
     
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    I think what he's saying is those systems support the 2080, just not in SLI, and Clevo is no longer selling the P870 form factor due to SLI no longer being supported by Nvidia.
     
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    HID Evolution is selling a P870TM-R with a RTX 2080. Presumably all that separates it from a regular P870tm is maybe a bios, if even that.

    Clevo went EOL on the P870 laptops because RTX cards don't support SLI so...theres no point producing SLI laptops for at least this generation.
     
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    Because a higher frame rate usually gives a better gaming experience for most people especially at the screen size of 15.6-17.3".
     
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    2080 RTX really makes no sense for 1080p IMO.
     
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    Exactly! I didn't buy a lappie as there were no reliable 3K panels when Pascal came out. The only models that had caught my attention were the PA71 series but I hopped on the waiting wagon. 2 years forward, there's no reseller that offers PB71 in Europe at all. Let alone with 3K/4K panels. Com'on!
     
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    "RTX on" might not be viable on any res higher than that...
     
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    I think you read a little bit too much into what Brother @Prema was saying. But, being done with laptops isn't such a bad idea, LOL. That said, there is plenty of nonsense going on with desktop Turing GPUs and AMD doesn't really have a horse in this race. See below for more info.
    I'd not be surprised in the least if none of the RTX 2080 MXM cards even have an SLI connector for the reason @Khenglish mentioned. And, judging from my experience trying to maximize the performance of the desktop RTX 2080 Ti, I am not confident that a single notebook 2080 will be a performance upgrade over the Clevo 1080. It definitely has potential to perform much better, but the NVIDIOT firmware and hardware are both such a mess that my confidence in that not turning out even worse for notebooks is very low. They have lowered the TGP for 2080 mobile cards, so we will have to wait and see how it turns out on the mobile front.

    Watch the first 5 minutes of this video and you'll see what I am talking about. It is a sequel to the second video.


    For context, this was the first video of the 2080 Ti power limit mod, which didn't give the performance boost that was expected.


    And, for more context regarding the messy RTX nonsense...
    Don't get me wrong... I am pleased with my RTX 2080 Ti because I am getting higher benchmark scores and racking up points on HWBOT. However, I am not pleased with every aspect of it, and I think most people would use a different measuring stick than I am using with overclocked benching and higher scores being the only reason I am pleased. The RTX 2080/2080 Ti had great potential to be far greater than how they have turned out to be. Way too much completely idiotic nonsense from the NVIDIOTS this go 'round. And, a very poor value based on the asinine price they are fetching compared to a mod-friendly GTX 1080 Ti. Since ray tracing is currently irrelevant, buying a Turing GPU for gaming today is a total waste of money. It will provide essentially nothing useful for the owners of 1080 or 1080 Ti GPU(s) that do nothing but play PC games.

    If you want stock 1080 performance, don't care about overclocking, and want to spend as little as possible, a Radeon VII (Vega 7nm) might be an option for the budget conscious desktop owner. That is assuming the drivers smooth things out (still a little sketchy there).

     
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    My issue exactly. EU resellers are in a pretty weird situation right now. Odd choice of models available, and odd configurations as well... For example, pcspecialist's Defiance V comes with a 2080 max-q and a 180W PSU. Seriously, what the hell?
     
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    No just no. I want options for myself, not somebody else's preferences.
     
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    Panel swapping is fairly easy but it comes down to being able to have enough demand to justify the extra parts.
     
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    Is the new display IPS 144hz 1080P better than the previous 1440P 120hz?

    And what's the deal with this......?
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lapto...aphics-coming-soon-from-Eurocom.402301.0.html

    "The larger Sky X9C, which supports two 190 W MXM graphics cards in SLI, will also soon have RTX 2080 SLI options. Such a configuration will be geared more towards professionals and workstation applications."
     
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    Likely just putting two cards in as render targets so you can have two running at once.
     
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    Hey I just think it's funny that I could get a 4K Panel for my Clevo P650SG few years ago without any problems but hardly can find a reseller carrying 4K Panel for the new Clevo now.
     
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    But what with the 190 W moniker? A custom/moded TGP vBios? Or a typo?
     
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    It can depend on what panels are being produced and are available in sufficient quantities.

    *shrug* you would have to ask them.
     
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    Then RTX 2080 makes no sense at any level.
     
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    There is a severe downsizing of Giga-ray throughput for the Mobile RTX GPU's vs desktop GPU's.

    PCWorld noticed that the RTX 2080 mobile has a 5 Gigaray Low vs desktop RTX 2060 5 Gigaray Low/High showing sustained RTX performance for the mobile RTX 2080 is closest to the RTX 2060 desktop:
    rtx 3dmark port royal graphics 1.0 poor result for 2080 max-q laptop.jpg
    There are two Gigaray throughput numbers for the mobile RTX 2080 / 2070 GPU's, while the desktop GPU's have a single throughput number:
    gigarays low 2080 max-q 5 same as desktop 2060 5.jpg
    Apparently the added load of full Gigaray throughput can't be sustained while delivering full rasterization throughput, power? / thermals?, so under actual RT RT use the frame rate drops in half, even on the latest "optimized" game code and driver.

    Nvidia should have left out the RTX features for laptops and focused on getting real performance boosts instead, and dropped prices to give people an incentive to purchase 20-series over 10-series.

    Another complete flop of an RTX product release from Nvidia.

    RTX arrives in laptops
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-173#post-10856786

    Maybe @Prema can unhobble RTX features performance for the Clevo RTX 2080 mobile GPU?
     
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    Looks like they lowered mobile 2080 boost clock compared to mobile 1080 as well. Looks like the only real step forward is GDDR6 and more Cuda cores. That might be enough to level the playing field and give a small performance boost, but it won't likely be nearly as amazing as most would hope for it to be. Certainly nothing like the jump from 980N/980M to mobile 1080 was. And, 1080 SLI will stomp the life out of a single mobile 2080. It will literally ragdoll it like Hulk vs Loki.



    If it truly is SLI/NVLINK and not a second GPU for rendering and PhysX tasks that will be pretty great. If it is the latter, it will be a massive waste of money purchasing the second GPU that cannot actually be used in SLI/NVLINK.
     
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    It's just that, a misleading promoted article.
    There is neither SLI nor NVlink for mobile RTX at this point.
    Then again mobile RTX doesn't even exist, right?:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ounge-phoenix-4.809589/page-221#post-10782554

    :rolleyes:
     
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    They are talking about the 190W 1080 and SLI, then cleverly bring the RTX into the mix to make it seem so...hence a misleading article. Clevo MXM RTX 2080 is 150W and so is the MSI.
     
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