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    Clevo 2020

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Dakka3, Aug 28, 2019.

  1. Dakka3

    Dakka3 Notebook Enthusiast

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    X170 perhaps resurrected as single GPU?
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    RGB underglow gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever.
     
  2. wentalong

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    Battling with thermals on my P775 and 9700k so would be interesting to see a new heatsink design on newer models.

    Currently struggling to keep the CPU at stock speeds without a decent undervolt, when ideally I was hoping for undervolt + overclock

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    Looks good. Looking forward..

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    Dr. AMK Living with Hope

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    What is the specs for this model?
     
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    bigspin My Kind Of Place

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    Upon closer look at heatsink I have a feeling this model may not have mxm gpu.

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    I would expect it to have a desktop CPU at least, hence the reason for such a beefy heatsink, and if they're adding a socket CPU I would have thought they would have an MXM card too?

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    Well..word on the web is next gen "Comic lake" ... oppsss .. I mean Comet lake based on now ultra refined 14++++++++++++++ is rated 125TDP, so they need beefy heatsink.

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  8. wentalong

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    Jesus. Didn't know that, and that's 125 tdp without all core turbo I assume?

    Crazy considering my 9700k is about 120 tdp at all core 4.6ghz

    Feels as though Intel are just throwing more power at the silicon and hoping for the best

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    Apparently they will release 10 core cpu with 125w TDP. But you're right that TDP is for base clock. With turbo it might consume 200W or more.

    At this point Intel simply throwing everything to the wall and pray something will stick. If Clevo eventually wake up and decide to release AMD cpu version, I'll definitely buy that even though I might get slightly lower FPS.

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    I like all the extra heat pipes. The design seems like it takes a lot of cues from ASUS and MSI at least visually.
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Robust as the VRMs basically bag the side vents.
     
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    Reciever D! For Dragon!

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    I like it so far, hopefully it pans out for the rest of my boxes to check.
     
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    400w heatsink and 3 fans pls.

    edit add mux if comet lake comes with iGP, or at least allow iGP to work.

    cooling for SSDs/ram
     
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    thin bezels (about time!), beefed up heatsink with more heatpipes, anti-dust fans (yum), non-prominent RGB, so far so good!

    non-MXM graphics? o_O Clevo wouldnt dare! :eek:

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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Thin bezels = +2,5 cm less width = Worse cooling than it has to be :( See the left grills and fan. Could be bigger with normal sized bezels. I hate the new move. But I like the color. This Yellowish would be awful.
    [​IMG]

    And the Keyboard is equal as for their 15,6 inch laptops as usual.
    [​IMG]

    Nothing to jump into the air for.
     
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    the side vents barely has any heat pipe leading to it. whats the point of having side vents lol. we need to have more heatpips and or more fans, more capacity.

    150w gpu means 190w cpu. 10 core easily 300w.. god damn
     
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    The small fan irks me, it irks me in the ranger and it's only slightly smaller.

    Probably just going to build a desktop lol
     
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    The main problem is the left fan and grills, bruh.... Too small :( Should be equal as the right side cooling setup.
     
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    thank god we got AMD.
    next yr zen3, 16 cores for the cost of intel 10 cores and uses same power. amazing!

    single heat pipe :(
     
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    Yeah the Ranger is still competent to play games on and will make a nice hobby machine / secondary

    My eyes are looking towards the 3950x
     
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    lol, better to HAVE side vents than not to have them at all :D which we didnt, before ;) (im NOT talking about BGA models here, so dont bring those up :p)

    also, it DOES have more heatpipes. as for the keyboard, i couldnt care less. for my usage the 15 inch keyboard is just fine :)

    finally, the fan size on the right matches the current setup. so they actually enlarged the GPU fan. all steps into the right direction, whats not to like?
     
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    Bruh, long and thin pipes ain't an advantage for cooling. Clevo's top dog P870TM had 6 pipes and two fans and two grills for the single graphics (And the Vapor chamber handled +400W). I know, only 4 pipes for the processor, but shorter pipes. A 17,3 inch chassis transformed into 15.6 size will have an huge disadvantage and I hate it. Of course its to early put final judgment but this doesn't bode well for high performance and proper overclocking. We will see when it will be released. But from my standpoint isn't this model what I hoped for. Too much of compromises for my likings. Sorry bruh, but I can't find so much positive with this coming model. I will eat my words if it perform equal good as the P870 in it's glory days, but I doubt it. We will see.
     
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    I'm with @Papusan about heatsink. It doesn't seem to improve much. Current model only had one shared heat pipe, but new model seems to have more than two shared pipes. Which unnecessarily heat up gpu even when your only using cpu.

    Also I really hope Clevo will design new model with air mesh type bottom panel like the below picture. Current models bottom panel with tiny cut outs not suck in enough air. [​IMG]

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  24. Papusan

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    Old P870 had air mesh type bottom panel. No need to find up the wheel one more time.
    [​IMG]
     
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    The GT76 especially with its protruding "dat @$$" backside for the deeper fin stack.

    I don't see a 4 pin barrel connector on it for power. Dodgy pics though, it could be hidden under text or shadow.
     
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    ah i guess the disparity comes from my preference for 15 inch models, youre coming from the 17 inch corner, i get it :) would he curious to see if we will also have another vapor chamber option. if they increase cooling capacity for the heatpipe model, chances are theyll do the same for a potential VC model.

    well the shared heatsink is something that depends heavily on the kind of workloads youre used to. there arent many workload scenarios that stress both gpu and cpu heavily (gaming included, thats nornally gpu heavy with cpu only mildly stressed), so thatll always give u extra headroom to use one of the two more heavily when the other is not in use.

    i completely agree on the mesh type bottom though, improved airflow is definitely nice to have for the whole machine.

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  27. ole!!!

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    that depends man. in theory it should be better because more copper etc but because now its 1 fan for 2 exhaust the air pressure is lessened, especially if you consider which way the fan spin and which exhaust gets least amount of air pressure.

    though this is the first time in yrs that clevo got a larger cooling on the CPU side.. assuming the larger is on the cpu side. im guessing they realize 10 core 125w is just bs when 8 cores easily hit 200w under load.

    if i do get the laptop, i can run 10 cores at 5ghz while underclock my GPU to p12 state LMAO
     
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    what do u think im doing for everyday operation when not gaming? exactly that! :D

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    Rear has 2 power connectors, similar rectangular type as GT76.
     
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    Not a fan of the shared heatpipes... Its definitely an upgrade on the P775, but I don't believe its necessarily an upgrade over the P870. Time will tell though I suppose.
     
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    P870 is a vapor chamber, the heatpipes are more guides and not doing the heavy lifting.
     
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    I should be more clear. I talked about both heatsink for P870. The vapor chamber was officially for Sli. The 6 pipes HS was for single graphics and handled 200w card.
     
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    While expensive a model with a unified vapor chamber would have had my vote.
     
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    agreed! unified VC FTW! :)

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    jc_denton BGA? What a shame.

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    There is no reason for RGB ever.

    ...unless it can imitate K.I.T.T
    [​IMG]
     
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    While that seems like it would be distracting while gaming, having it as an idle setting would be awesome.
     
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    But it adds 10fps ;) just like a go faster stripe.
     
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    with exception that cpu doesnt get any of it in the 870. infact earlier version had gpu heat dumped towards cpu heatsink.
     
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    A unified heatsink mated to both CPU and gpu so when I say a unified vapor chamber that's what I mean.
     
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    when u gonna tell clevo we need 500w cpu heatsink with vapor chamber and 3 fans? good ol meaker my frend
     
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    Wait, we haven't told them yet?
     
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    The last mega x79 box was not hugely popular.
     
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    looks exactly like the GT76
     
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    It's pretty different as mich as these things can be.
     
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    The 1st pic in the op does have the feel of a comparison of the new vs the old...
     
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    I'm gone for a week and this happens. :)

    Doesn't look like it's anywhere the size of P870DM or P570WM.

    X170 must be the model name because X170 is a old chipset.
     
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    Oh yeah the old xeon chipset.
     
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