Clevo 2020

I know its gonna be way faster than mobile. That's why I couldn't pass it up. I have this 4710hq pushing as hard as it can I feel Like Han Solo when he goes for light speed and the hyper drive is incapacitated. lol! I have that undervolted too. cooling was great in the GT72 just not enough cpu power for the duration. I probably could have waited another year to see what the design for these would be but couldn't pass up one of these for $1500 bucks

 

I got my 9700k @4.8 all cores, -120mv and don't go over 80c

(Delidded with thermal grizzly)

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any special mods to the case that might help? seem like drilling some holes in the bottom case and adding some mesh for debris would allow some more airflow. Also whats a good laptop cooler for this model? I see the P870 is slightly bigger for the sli portion. I am assuming most people don't use the sli and just get this for the additional fan?

 

Is it while gaming like BF5? Or only when fully load cpu?

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While gaming, I can load it with AVX prime 95 and it drops to about 4.2 all cores at 95C, but the load is so unrealistic it's best to go on the gaming temps Imo

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I know that under the 100c but still quite hot. but I guess that's the trade off for such a powerful CPU. Mine is supposed to be already delided and undervolted /OC to 4.8. the 1080 seems to be quite the issue in these p775's. Is it select 1080's or all of them? I imagine that too needs undervolted and OCed to work well and stay cool enough to work. I have a 1070 in my GT72 and undervolted to 0.993 with a OC . Temps steady at 64c on BF5

 

I'll just be using it for gaming. but I like max settings or at least high

 

You can't break the rules of physics. You get a lot more headroom but on a desktop you can just whack ina 240mm AIO.

 

I'm not too sure about the 1080 (mine has a 2080) and haven't touched the voltages on the GPU yet

I wouldn't be too worried I would expect your rig to perform the same as mine depending on the undervolt and OC applied

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I don't mind if Clevo decide to get rid of one of the hdd bays and use that space to fit large heatsink.

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Exactly this, it's all about NVME these days anyway!

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Not for a fair few people and the larger SATA SSDs can offer a lot of good value.

 

I would agree with this, one of the advantages of a P775 has over MSI, Acer, Asus or Alien models is an extra HDD bay.

Though whether it would be enough to outweigh better cooling if that's option is another thing.

I hope to god, they don't go the route of 2 power bricks, that's very off putting for me.

 

Two power bricks is required above 330w, so it all depends on TDP.

 

Yeah sure but why can't we have a larger single power brick like this Eurocom product, it's 780W

https://www.eurocom.com/ec/pricelist(2,404)780W_AC_DC_Adapter

 

I agree! You can always splurge for a bigger ssd. but the trade off would have to be worth it in temps though not just a couple degrees.

 

usually the cooling design is so poorly done it'll be just a couple of degrees. if they are going to remove sata all together, then we'll need them to design mobo so 8 lanes for CPU and 8 lanes from CPU for storage, that way we get total of 5x NVMe x4 lane slots.

 

MSI did it on their gt76

 

I think they were all nv

me?? not sure now I think about it.

 

with QLC replacing TLC in near future and improved 3D stacked TLC we can see maybe 4TB on a single NVMe m.2 SSD soon then i dont mind sata being replaced.

we'd need 5x M.2 slots, 2 slots from CPU lanes and 3 slots from chipset lanes. gpu running on 8 pcie lanes dont really need more.

give rest of the space to CPU heatsink.

 

Samsung PM983 NF1 NVMe PCIe SSD, 3.84TB

Manufacturer Part Number: MZ4LB3T8HALS-00003

Features and Benefits:

• Unmatched Density – Six times the front-accessible storage system density of comparable U.2 SSDs.
• High-Performance – Four times the performance of SATA SSDs, using Samsung state-of-the-art 3D vertical-NAND (V-NAND) flash
memory. An optimized Samsung NVMe controller with a native PCIe Gen 3.0 x4 host interface supplies 32 Gb/s of bandwidth.
• Exceptional Value – The same low cost per gigabyte as slower SATA SSDs. By providing four times the IOPS per dollar, data
center operators can continue to scale workload utilization on their servers, decreasing the cost of computing.

Specifications:

Form factor: NF1
Capacity: 3.84 TB
Host interface: PCIe Gen 3 x4 @ 32 Gb/s
Spec Compliance: NVMe spec rev. 1.2 (partial), PCI Express CEM spec rev. 3.0, PCI Express base specification rev. 3.0
NAND flash memory: Samsung V-NAND
Power consumption: Active read/write up to 8.7/10.6 W, Idle 4.0 W (typical)
Write Endurance (@4K random write): 1.3 DWPD for 3 Years. Up 21,864 TBW.
Uncorrectable Bit Error Rate (UBER): 1 sector per 10^17 bits read
Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF): 2,000,000 hours
Endurance: 1.3 DWPD for 3 years
Sequential read: Up to 3,000 MB/s
Sequential write: Up to 1,900 MB/s
Random read: Up to 520,000 IOPS
Random write: Up to 45,000 IOPS
Physical Dimensions: 30.5 x 110 x 4.8 mm

Warranty: 3 Years Limited Warranty

 

NF1 has its form factor not too standard and meant for enterprise where they are willing to pay for custom desgin/cooling solution.

technically, they should already be capable of doing 6TB on a single NVMe m.2 2280 form factor, just no one will prob buy it so they dont bother.

3yrs ago we already have Samsung 960 pro MLC with 2TB on a single 2280 M.2 form. lets assume die shrink didnt really happen due to no competition for samsung, a 50% is reasonable considering nothing really new since then, 2TB -> 3TB but usually its doubling every 1.5 yr, so technically we could have gotten much larger.

then 3TB is MLC, to TLC at least doubles the capacity, so 6TB should be easily doable by samsung, but we still only got 2TB 960 pro 3 yrs later. samsung is trying to milk as much as possible for sure, then theres the QLC problem right now that yields are so low it cost more to make than TLC. gotta wait at least another 1-2 yrs.

 

pricing is still an issue. 4TB SATA drives have barely begun to enter the consumer market. only recently, WD joined Samsung as the only manufacturer to provide consumer SSDs in the 4TB class. so there is just no market yet due to pricing...

I for one just recently got myself 2x4TB 860 Evo drives, so not gonna abandon SATA drives anytime soon haha

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theres like 8 TB to 10 TB sata drives exist like 4-5 yrs ago lol at standard 9.5mm SSD but they charge a premium for it something like 36k rofl.

but yea im not ready to abandon SATA yet until we get bigger capacity on m.2 to at least 8 TB and that'll probably take at least another 2-3yrs.

 

thats why i was specifically referring to "consumer" drives. the models you are mentioning are for servers / workstations / business clients. without warranty for private individuals and with abysmal write IOPS performance and yeah, again, pricing is even worse for these drives in terms of cost per TB...

same here, my current 9.5 TB of SSD storage will last me for quite a while until Ill need another upgrade

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these bastid OEMs charging more for NVMe SSDs when they should be charging less. these controllers are not that much different and expensive to make actually and most of these controllers only differ by a bit, it is simply the SATA bandwidth limit thats holding SSD performance back. when switch to NVMe they all use that as an excuse to charge extra.

at the beginning it was fine because they had to start some where making capable controller etc but as time goes out, which has been like 3-4yrs already, they should not charge more. M.2 uses much less material and no need for external casing, they are milking consumer at this point because the "standard" is to charge more for NVMe PCIe SSDs.

i can swallow up optane being costly also due to primary factor being intel/micron joint for pushing innovating something new, and performance wise it is league above flash. but going from SATA to PCIe SSD majority of latency reduction comes from the protocol and them making a bit powerful controller and charge a premium, no good.

 

Because its actively cooled.

 

Hi, not sure I follow. Eurocom sell these adapters for P870 and P775

 

And they are not approved by the usual major safety labels and are not suitable for all environments.

 

with clevo machine, you can always go the route of adapter. at home dual 330w, when on the go take a single 330w with you leave the adapter and other 330w at home.

 

yea but do you really need this adapter for the p775? Everyone is saying that its not needed due to the thermals not enough to cool if you fully overclocked it and add voltage rather than undervolt.

 

depends on your cooling solution, ambient temps, m4d sk177z and binning

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Realistically speaking you don’t need more than the 330W.

 

Depends on how you tweak your machine and what you want it to run at the same time (I mean more than have a game up).

 

8700K and 1080p display should use less power than 9900K and 4K display.

 

Thats correct. [email protected] stock and 33% less cores. But I thought he was talking about 9900K.

 

I have 3 bricks for that reason.

 

200W~ of those 340W are already for the GPU... ...3 screws for the CPU...

 

More like 7 for both when they are that close together.

 

Not the only reason though...looking at their distance and the missing spring mechanism...

 

2 questions today for the p775tm
should the 2 lights stay on the right side front after fully charged?
and is $1500 for a 8700k 1080 with one defective 2.5" bay a good deal. I'm kinda scared to send it back and risk this lady lying any more.

 

The power and battery light will stay lit.

 

just reviewed this a bit more and i take back what i previously said about CPU getting bigger side of heatsink. looking at it again now realize red rectangle is most likely the GPU, memory and w/e component it's trying to cool and CPU is the blue rectangle.. with 3 screws?

ontop of having only 3 screws, all 5 cpu heat pipes goes through GPU component so essentially if GPU is running and produces any heat, even idle temp in room temp it'll affect the CPU. this is essentially cancer for people thats getting 10 cores and want excellent CPU performance.

saving grace would be maybe getting a low end GPU like 2070 or 3070 for example but even then half of the entire heatsink capacity isn't really all that beneficial to the CPU at all. as expected of clevo to fk up cpu cooling again.

 

The heat will balance automatically going over the gpu area, especially not going over the core.

A plate with 7 screws cant be compared to a single one with 3.

 

I got this p775tm used 8700k 1080. It doesn't seem to have a way to adjust the fans is everything in the bios or is there a command center or something like MSI dragon center? everything was wiped the OC and undervolt. no control software

 

Yes the clevo control centre is the bundled application.

 

where can I download this application?

 

Here you go...

https://www.clevo.com.tw/en/e-services/download/default.asp

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That or your reseller.

 

I bought it used