Clevo 2020

I reached out to Prema and was told not to mess with it, as on Clevo machines it doesn't do anything but causing instability.

 

i have changed my ac/dc values and they are fine. again this is for my windows power profile and for my chip on how i wanted it to behalf.

most people left it at default and simply just undervolt the chip be done with it. i just simply dont like to see peak voltage being that much higher than load voltage being reported.

 

Guys, we're talking about the "DC Loadline uOhm" setting in "CPU Overclocking Menu", not about the AC/DC loadline values.
I remember Prema saying over here not to change the AC/DC loadline values.
No one ever asked about the DC Loadline Override" setting in CPU overclocking menu, at least not from what I ever remember reading.

Are you sure that you made it clear to Prema that you were talking about "DC Loadline Override - uOhms"?
@Prema are you here, brother?

 

the setting im taling about is in the vr menu w/e that menu is called. changing them to values of 1 as you stated requires voltage to go up which is similar to what im use to from older generation cpu.

 

@ole!!! @Falkentyne

I sent this to bro Prema,

"link to thread, It's about the ac/dc loadline being 160 for the 9900k, but mine defaults to 210. Do I need to change these manually ->AC/DC 160 and Core VR loadline override to 1600 mOhms?"

To which Prema replied to leave it at default.

 

Please ask him about the "DC Loadline Override (uOhm)" value in "CPU Overclocking Menu".
That is supposed to control "VRM Loadline Calibration" if it's even hooked up to anything (e.g. if it can even communicate with the VRM or if the VRM supports changing its loadline slope).

 

P870Tm and firmware was orginally for 8th gen processors (max 6 cores) and Z370 chipset. AC/DC loadline is dependent on what _Sku. Regarding Intels specs for 8th/9th gen... 1.60 for 8 cores and 2.10 for 6 cores and lower. I expect all is down to Clevo never released machines with newer MB and Z390 chipset.

From what TDP numbers? Intel increased up to 127w for 8 cores (KS chips). You mean add another 25% on top of that?

Before Intel did the first change... 4 cores was
91W. Intel knew what would come and had to change specs. Now 127W for 8 cores. Coming 10 cores on same 14nm+++++++ will probably lift it further. Of course they'll had to push for new socket and new specs. Do it for Chipset features... not so much. My simple Guess... We will see 140W for 10 cores.

In exactly same way as AMD did for New Threadripper

 

Would it be too naive to expect Ryzen Clevos in 2020? Even further with Navi 7nm gpus? Tired of Intel's incompetence on mobile platforms..

 

Intel’s “incompetence” on mobile platforms is better than AMD’s non-existence on mobile platforms. You know what they say, the first step is showing up.

 

I'll gladly take a 3900X and a GTX 3080 if it means better performance and cooler.

 

Ignore stated TDPs, the real power progression has been pretty linear for Intel.

Gamers nexus has done some good videos around power consumption and how TDP is a chosen value.

 

And when you set PL1/2 to unlimited with an overclock that TDP number becomes useless.

 

papusan knows, we just dont like the fact that heatsink isn't up to the task to cool 300w just on CPU alone.

 

didnt someone mentioned clevo will not go for AMD machine? that would apply for at least a year or two minimum so not expecting to see AMD machine from clevo during that time frame.

i would too. 10 cores with that heatsink and dissipation probably not much OC opportunity. may as well go 12 cores use less power with higher IPC.

 

I wonder why, though. I feel like the Acer Predator Helios 500 w/ AMD components was very well received overall, both commercially and critically. The thermals were excellent on it.

 

not sure. at the time zen2 wasn't out so clevo might change, or they may feel the need that if they design an AMD system they also have to do another one for intel within the same chassis, and that just cost too much money for the not worth it.

 

The Notebook ODM's will use it for what it's worth and as baseline for the cooling. And Intel won't put TDP higher than 140W in specs for coming 10 cores mainstream chips.

140w left for 10 cores if the pict is from valid information sources.



This is 8 cores 9900KS@127W. Add 25% more cores and you'll see where this will go for the power consumption.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-9900ks/17.html

 

it wont mater cause only 1 pipe goes to left fan which is stupid. they make a unified heatsink and only have 1 pipe of cpu and gpu goes towards other fan is dumb as hell. the other fan barely cools any CPU heat.

should have sticked to p870tm design, take 2nd GPU PCIe for additional storage, give extra space for cooling and heatsink. silly clevo.

 

The 2nd GPU PCIe should be for the main graphics. And with the modern slim bezel you'll loose possibility of bigger second grills on the side with second heatpipe. As well wider main grills. This for both sides. See... Design will always come before functionality!

 

i wonder if theres any room for any mod, looks impossible on how much space there is from the graph. tiny grill left/right side.

 

Thicker heatsink on the left means a smaller fan and less surface area for the rear while the VRMs get some dedicated cooling which will help stability.

 

or they can just do what msi does. huge fan, much thicker fins and still a decent size.

 

I guess the proof will be in the pudding...

 

According to this: https://www.pny.com/promo/nvidia-embedded-solutions

Pny will launch RTX 3000 and RTX 5000 in MXM 3.1 type-B format (82x105 mmm) in 1H 2020.

By the way RTX 3000 specs are wrong as they have used previous nvidia datasheet (see this as reference:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...40-owners-thread.830037/page-18#post-10948868)

I remember pny rebranded clevo p955hq1/p955hq3 chassis to offer its 'prevail pro'.

According to @Prema, x170 will be launched in q2 2020.
( http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-2020.830221/page-18#post-10963113)

Maybe a x170 'pny special edition' with comet lake lga 1200 cpu + rtx mxm quadro gpu is coming next ?

 

not sure about the GPU thing but with the pace this is going RTX 3000 might be just a refresh of 2000? new desktop GPU on 7nm from tsmc/samsung is gonna take ~6-9 months at the earliest and even if it's 6, chance seem slim, lets hope it is not a refresh i could use a more power efficient GPU.

as for x170 for q2 2020, if intel CPU is delayed (which there are rumors around it) then could be pushed back even further. also expect things may change as well. prema mentioned before for inside watercooling might eventually make its way into p870*m machines and that didn't happen (not the one from taobao requires external water cooling system, but all an internal one) .

all in due time.

 

1H could be mid of the year so 7-8 months.

 

Nvidia ain’t started with Super cards for Mobile We will most likely see 880M up once again while the desktop cards go directly up to Ampere and 7nm. Notebook users srewed once again.

 

The delay us usually not too extreme, the mobile segment is pretty strong. Plus the earliest adopters get to beta test the drivers.

 

Super for mobile: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Exclu...phics-cards-for-laptops-in-2020.443226.0.html

 

LOL as expected. milk continues! while desktop might get 7nm laptop prob gets the same arch with just more config cores. kinda like 680M to 780M.

time to wait for RTX 4000 MXM and hope it'll work in this laptop.. when 4000 MXM finally arrives, it'll be 2nd yr into new CPU socket which is EOL by intel's standard with LGA 1200 (however many pins that is). wait forever!

 

Nice bump for the 1650 with GDDR6, that bandwidth helps a lot.

 

And likely with clock-block 3.0

What a time to be alive.

 

they got layers of protection for user just to make sure clock-block in full effect.
bios, vbios, fan profile, finally heatsink, all in all 4 layers of protection.

 

Like the man himself said.

 

If you don't like it simply don't buy it, they will be nice bumps usually for those buying a new system anyway.

 

I'm all for voting with my vallet. My modded 1080 pretty much crushes anything.

 

I am the same way for now, performance is still very good for me.

 

This chassis is identical to a Aorus X7 laptop

 

Except for the different heatsink design and part placement?

 

but teh ray-tracings

 

"When you die and your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to NOT have ray tracing?"

 

It's cool tech which I look forward to be properly implemented in a generation or two.

 

It did take developers a while to finally start adopting Vulkan and DX12. Nowadays most if not all AAA games have either option. We'll see how widely adopted ray tracing is next year now that it's being added to Vulkan and DirectX.

 

Hopefully Nvidia's implementation does not get in the way of universal tech.

 

People also tend to forget...

Gameplay > Graphics

 

It's one aspect of the game, if it's designed well and draws you in it enhances the experience. But design is a big part of that too, something can be graphically simple but still stunning.

 

Although not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison, FreeSync seems to have the upper hand in display technology adoption. I'm sure G-Sync displays are popular, but Nvidia did break a little and started supporting FreeSync displays.

 

Nvidia is also letting future moduled G-Sync displays to work with AMD/Intel GPUs and consoles.

https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/blog/n...sync-for-future-native-g-sync-module-screens/

 

They are claiming the branding in a lot of cases, freesync has gone and g-sync compatible is there.

 

You're still going to pay the NVIDIA tax for the module