Clevo 2020

To be fair it has a large fpga on it so it's not free to make the module.

 

I would't be surprised if AMD begins to push nvidia in the graphics department. Recently they've been on a redemption roll of the decade.

 

They do have a way to go, with a process advantage they are only on par in terms of efficiency after Nvidia added all the ray tracing parts.

 

Not gonna lie, if the pictures are true and not concept art then the x170 is gonna be one nice looking machine. Gonna give the Area 51m and Msi GT 76 a run for their money. Especially the ports selection. Why is it Clevo is the only one that doesn’t take ports away on their desktop replacements?

Would be nice to see a refreshed 15” model too. Maybe keep the current size and bump it up to 16.1”? Though besides apples MacBook Pro 16” I haven’t seen many 16.1” screens have more than 1080p 144hz. That might be a hard sell since 240hz is kinda standard now and 300hz laptops are starting to pop up.

Maybe my dreams will come true and there will be some 1440p 144hz panels?

 

16.1" would be nice but you do need to make sure long term availability on the desktop models as they are not refreshed as often. Are they still going to make the 16.1" panels in 2 years time?

 

Looking at the pictures of the x170, it is actually difficult to see what ports there are exactly.
What I liked about the p870 was: 2 * ethernet, 2 * thunderbolt, 2 * 2.5", 3 * m2.
Now for sure the X170 doesn't seem to have 2 * ethernet, but does anyone know about the other ports?
What I like is that displayport / hdmi moves to the back, avoids quite some cabling on the side with the p870.

 

Actually you can see every port on these pics. And I really like connectivity of this laptop. If clevo won't be cheap on fans - we will have complete product.

 

I'll stay skeptical until I see how well the cooling handles lga1200's 10 core cpu's.

 

Well, I can't distinguish between Thunderbolt and plain USB-C, and obviously I cannot see how many SSDs fit in the chassis.

 

I have to say I'm a bit dissapointed.

What do I want from a new Clevo laptop:

• A bigger screen (19+ inch screens). This would give more space for a better cooling system design
• Support to handle 200 W on the CPU and still keep temperatures under 100ºC (maybe bigger fans, water cooling?)
• Release the power of RTX graphic cards, let the card to draw up to 250 W
• RGB leds all over the place
• Better keyboard, with available macro-keys (empty keystrokes)
• Better quality on screen HDR support, OLED. frick the 4k resolution, 1080p is enough. Current generation of video cards (and probably next won't either) can't handle 4k games at 90+fps. And playing video games under 90 fps hurt my eyes.
• Up to 4 sata ports and 4 NVMe slots
• Wi-Fi 6
• 10 Gbps Ethernet ports
• Aluminium chassis

Things I don't care:

• Battery life
• Weight
• Size
• two, three, four power bricks I don't care
• Noisy fans (I have noise isolation headphones)
• speakers

 

You forgot NVlink support.

 

Well I have to be honest about that. Every day I see less and less SLI/CrossfireX support. Unless you use some professional multi-GPU software there is no reason for NVlink. I have zero motivation for my next machine to have SLI. I have been through three laptops with SLI and this one has almost no use for the second GPU. Batman Arkham Knight, Assassin's Creed Origins, BFV, The Evil Within, Blair Wtich... all games I'm currently playing and none a single one of them support SLI..... I like SLI concept and raw power but at this point it has been a waste of money

 

Nvlink support is down to nvidia, not clevo.

 

For the love of God, NO!

 

Just set it all to hot pink

 

I share the same strong feelings against RGB nonsense that @Papusan has towards BGA's.

 

Rgb is what motivated me to get the P775DM3-G. No Rgb, no running a on-going Christmas tree around. Hope they don't do that.

 

You say waste of money.
You know what was the reason for P870 good cooling? It’s due the Sli options and the machine is also intended for single graphics. I would take a machine intended for SLI any day.

Hate flashy lights as well. I use only static white on keyboard and lid.

 

RGB is a great thing to have... for resale value.

Personally, I like white lights on everything else black the best. I don't mind seeing a splash of another once in a while for a bit of variety, for a few minutes anyhow. But, please only one color at a time. And, no flashing... thank you very much. Ooops, time's up. Back to white lights again.

I'd much rather see fancy colors on a custom-painted chassis more than colored lights. That's much classier than colored lights.

 

Yeah having a better colling system is nice, but comen on, I want to use the second video card to increase the performance while playing games not just to sit there to disipate heath of the primary video card. I know that SLI support is more on the side of game developers but for some reason more and more games nowdays are lacking proper SLI support.

lol, I don't get the hate on RGB I mean you can always turn it off or set the thing to a single static color.. I personally I like to have several color lights flashing on my keyboard, lol.. and I miss the lighted touchpad from the AW18, lol

 

I don't hate it. I like all colors, just prefer white lights for my day-to-day use. White looks nice against a system that is otherwise entirely black and it's neutral enough that I find it easy to get used to and I don't have to think about what color to choose next. Kind of set it and forget it. But, if you look at what I said, I sometimes even change to a color other than white for some variety now and then. Whatever color I am in the mood for, my personal preference is a monochrome/single color scheme rather than multi-color. Red is one of my favorite colors, but I seldom select it. I have an NVIDIA GPU and I have a weird hangup about using colors that don't go with branding. If I had an AMD GPU I wouldn't select green. Weird, right. It strikes me as being hypocritical, LOL.

The flashing lights thing is a matter of personal preference. I don't care for flashing lights on anything, computers or otherwise. Don't even care for it on a Christmas tree. But, it doesn't bug me that some people like flashing lights as long as I don't have to be exposed to it for an extended period of time.

The lighted touchpad that was on the Alienware 18 looked nice. I liked it, too. Even though I don't use a touchpad (almost never... probably less than 2 hours in 10 years, because I despise them) it made for a nice accent as long as it was set to static in the BIOS. The breathing thing made me want to smack it with a hammer. I also hated that about the lid on the P870 until @Prema fixed that nonsense.

 

R + G + B = White

Colours of the chassis cant be changed and can limit resale value.

 

I remember pulling out the RGB ribbon cable from my P775TM1's keyboard, lol. Having the RGB on, constantly reminded me of this nonsense trend. But I see RGB like icing on the cake, IF everything else is up to snuff, I'd have no problem with it.

I think it's something that should be spent on last, after you properly allocated budget towards things that matter, decent components and cooling.

It's like 'muscle vs tuner', the muscle guy cares about what's under the hood, whereas the tuner cares about how loud and flashy his car is


Come to think of it, the Charger does look like a Clevo. Now what does the Supra remind me of....

 

lol classic! and i love that analogy, very fitting indeed

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I go for a solid aqua all around, non obtrusive but a hint of colour.

 

KB + mouse is set to Ice Blue for me

 

My external keyboard is blue only, no RG! MX brown switches though so no complaints from me

 

You had me there until the RGB leds
OK, I will give you those if they can all be set to off or any color we like but separately please.

As for absolute size with todays' slim bezel craze the funny thing is that we could probably fit 19" 16:10 displays in all of the older 17" gaming and workstation flagships like MSI WT75/GT75, Clevo P870xx and also the big Asus and Acer 17" models so such a laptop would not have to be bigger than what we already have.

However if we want really good performance without cooking the hardware and/or unleashing the sonic equivalent of a vacuum cleaner from hell a bigger chassis would be much nicer and then we could even increase the screen size by another inch to a full 20" - that would DWARF everything we have now and allow for lots of performance, storage and cooling opportunities, especially with "only" a single GPU and a cleverly implemented vapor chamber design.

As for noise I understand that many do not care but so far it seems that even at maximum fan levels most laptops simply cannot stay cool enough if maximum performance is desired so fans can only do so much if the other cooling hardware is not up to the task. Therefore I vote for making it loud (only if it has to be, we need good adjustment posibilities) AND big.

What would also be nice if such a monster would get switchable graphics - costs very little extra and allows for a very good battery life without a performance penalty and it adds very little to the price while allowing DTR versions to be more usable.

Unfortunately something tells me that the laptop that this thread is about will not be that machine...

 

Stupid people began the laptop-destroying process around 2011-2012 with all of the panty waist sissy boys wanting Windows laptops to be thin and light like the crApple turdbooks their friends on Facepoot were so excited about. First came Razer and their pathetic garbage, then the brain cancer metastasized. Now all we are left with is disposable soldered trash that runs hot, lacks too much performance and looks ridiculously anemic and anorexic. (Heaven forbid that good and respectable options would still exist for those that want them.)

But, my God, that thin and light filth... it's just soooooo cute.

They'd sell even better if they came with one of these. Then everyone would have to get one.

Spoiler: The Ultimate Turdbook Accessory

 

It really baffles the mind that current DTR's are designed to be thin and light... which is against everything that a DTR stands for. But then again, there is no shortage of bad ideas. Such as the 55k cheese grater Mac.

 

Options are dwindling so I'm not optimistic.

Like I said in the for sale forum, I finally (FINALLY ) unhinged my wallet and picked up a HIDevolution P870TM1-G. After surveying what's out there and having maxed my P870DM-G (which I loved in various forms for over 3years), I realized there was nothing else out there for me and I love the P870 form factor. It excised the last vestiges of Alienware from my soul. I don't see a logical upgrade for me for at least a few years or more.

I don't mind thin and light. I do mind when the DTR market is marginalized and neutered as a result.

 

They wanted to carry them around work and did not need more than 15w quad core, that's not being a sissy, that's being a consumer with specific needs.

 

So, I guess to hell with anyone that wants or needs more that that, eh? Meanwhile, the few alternatives that are left are broken rubbish that is too thin, too light and just really sucks no matter how you slice it. Shame on those that expected more. The important thing is the cry-babies finally got what they wanted... thin and light low-powered junkbooks.

But, I still think they're sissy-boys, LOL. I'd be willing to bet most of them don't actually have specific needs. They just don't know any better. Their friends on Facebook like it, so it must be good.

Wouldn't matter that much if there were still ample good alternatives left. The problem is that there are not. Rubbish is the defacto standard across the industry now.

 

Generally you will find they need a light machine that will run office tasks, updates and antivirus on a domain and keep snappy. It needs to be light, with a good display, keyboard and build with maybe the odd legacy port depending on the clients they deal with. It needs to look professional in a presentation.

That's what typical business people need and drives a lot of the market. You can tweak that for students and home use but most of it is the same.

You can either fight and wail over the inevitable or you can adapt, exploit niches and keep up.

 

Just calling the balls and strikes as I seem them. I probably won't adapt, but there's a decent chance that I may abandon. I've sort of already done that, but one of my personal faults is holding onto for hope for the possibility of a favorable outcome far longer than I should. If I were smarter I would bolt at the first sign of stupidity gaining traction. There's really nothing to keep up with because the bar is set so low. It's getting to be pretty tough to keep a positive outlook when the options are disgusting. The trends that are popularly marketed as progress are actually regressions.

I'd really like to divert all of my passion for respectable hardware that no longer has a worthy outlet into helping Linux replace Windoze. I haven't burned many calories on that because my gut tells me that it will ultimately prove to be a waste of time. I don't really think there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening because the masses don't want to learn anything new. They'd rather just put up with whatever garbage is handed to them because doing otherwise requires too much thought and effort.

 

I think once you've had a real DTR, be it a P870TM1 or a like, you've been spoiled. Nothing can compare to it, and you end up measuring other stuff against it.

 

A P870 or even a P775 I'd say

 

The replacement needs to be more intuitive and user friendly, not less.

 

Is anyone going to be at CES? Clevo should be there with some new stuff.

 

Agree big time bro !!

 

Give me that P870TM1 and I’ll see how much I like it.

 

Just do what I did..
1. Order a barebone P870TM1 w/ Vapor chamber and Prema magic from HIDevolution
2. Swap out all of your older parts from the P7xxTMx
3. OC the crap out of it

 

Honestly I may sell my P750TM1-G complete around February 2020. And I will purchase a P870TM1 or TMR.

Honestly the P870TM1 with SLI GTX1080’s is not that crazy overpriced under 5K with (2) gtx1080’s and 9900KS. Still very over budget.

I would almost want a single GTX1080 or (2) again instead of a single RTX2080.

Especially in a P870, they perform very well.

 

No point in getting SLI, nvidia pretty much killed it and very few games support it or even scale reasonably with it. Plus VC and a single OC'd 1080/2080 runs cooler than the desktop counterpart

 

Lots of effects that rely on the previous frame making SLI difficult.

 

SLI means you can have double fun. See... Bench with single and in Sli Can't be any better than this.

 

Or use it to show off, like a nice engine bay in a car

 

Agree completely. If a P751 spoilt me this much, the 870 would be something i'd dig totally.

 

I've always wondered why all the Clevo pcb's are blue, be it the motherboard or the mxm module.
Today I found out that Clevo literally means 'Blue Sky Computers' in Chinese, lol

 

lol. That's perhaps why Eurocom names their computers as Sky as well.