Clevo 2020

I fix it for you. 10 cores@125W Comet Lake-S and 200W Super. Last years 2080 will be as today 150w and won’t be for 2020 model Clevo’s.

And the 125W Power limit ain’t max. 8 cores 9900KS@127w had Turbo power limit at 159W. Everything Default clocks on a unlocked chips.

 

That will be the 30 second short turbo power most likely.

 

Wow, so the current Clevo units are still limited to a TDP of 150W with the 2080, even with Prema bios?

I guess in that case a 200W 2080 Super with a chassis that can sustain a higher TDP than the P775TM should have the potential to bring both lower temperatures and better performance with everything else being the same.

 

I've begun window shopping to replace my GT72 [980m 8gb], Anyone think a i9-10900/rtx3080 offering is a reasonable expectation in 2020?

 

A power modded RTX2080 will get you pass the 200W wall limit, but even then all the cards are clock locked to 2100Mhz core.

You'll be waiting for a while for the 3080 mxm, nvidia needs to dump their 2080 super mxm's first.

 

...but 2020 most likely, right?

 

There's always a delay before new cards head towards mobile, usually 4-6 months. So, if RTX3080 launches in the summer of 2020, mobile versions might show up towards Q4 of 2020.
By then the 10900K will likely be on the 14++ node.

So yes, probably late 2020.

 

I'm always willing to wait for the right hardware.

 

You can always wait for better hardware, but it's constantly improving, getting faster... holding out for longer doesn't change that. Even it, will eventually become obsolete.
A better way is to find something that makes sense and fits your needs

 

Just waiting because there is something better coming along is silly (it always is) but the GT72 has a lot of things going for it and finding a number of its features in another laptop will be difficult. It can be run very quiet, it has user switchable graphics, most people like its keyboard and it has probably the most storage options of any laptop in the last 5 or 6 years with up to 6 different drives and great connectivity.

If only gaming performance is lacking it might be a good stopgap to just upgrade it to a GTX 1070 for very nice increase in gaming and rendering perfromance and then wait it out for the RTX 3080. If I mainly was after graphics performance this is what I would probably do.

 

He waits quite some time as it is before purchasing another laptop based on his methods, so waiting will not be a painful process at all until something comes along and checks his boxes. usually 5 year intervals or sometime after next gen console release iirc

 

Right, I dunno if I’d wait either.

A modern i7 or i9 will blow you back with power. And this is just 6/12 or only 8 cores or 8/16. And even just a GTX1080 would probably double the 980M in performance alone.

A 9700K paired with a RTX2080 would show huge improvements. Over your current MSI laptop.

Just because something new comes out, doesn’t mean our hardware is no good. Hardware last for several years.

 

I waited about a year for the 980m because I was buying a PS4 port machine and the Nvidia/AMD refeshes [refreshes of refreshes in AMD's case] at that time weren't going to cut it. My 980m 8gb can carry me though 2020 without much issue, so I don't feel I'll be hurting.

I'm looking to buy a PS5 port machine and refreshes of Nvidia's 2000 line isn't going to cut it for 5-6 years of PS5 ports. i9/3080 as a combo is an option I'm keeping on the list. I really would like manual graphics switching in my next laptop.

 

I know, but jump on second gen Turing Mobile as Nvidia did for Kepler (780m then the useless 880m upgrade only for notebooks) ain't for me. The real performance uplift will come with 7nm as with Nvidia's desktops cards who has to refresh to be able to compete with coming AMD cards. Refresh is better than rehash

 

The future of chiplet GPU's looks bright.

 

I wouldn’t mind running some PS4 ports on my current laptop. How do I get started in this?

 

Step 1: Make an Epic Game Store account and download their launcher

 

GPU’s have a long life span. My goodness. My GTX1080 is like 68 in computer years lol.

If I had to guess 1 human year is probably more like 15 computer years.

So a 2y/o PC is already like 30 lol.

 

Buy some.

... I was referring to multi-platform games in general and by a look at your sig, you likely should have some already ...or you're wasting your hardware.

 

I mostly play BFV, Kingdom come deliverance, and fallout 4. There are a few titles on Sony that are not available on PC though. Do I need a PS4 to do this? Or I just buy the PS4 games, and I can run them through a emulator in my PC?

 

I hope they release a new architecture like pascal was back in 2016. The GTX1070 was like 3% faster than top dawg Titan X Maxwell for only $379. Pascal was incredible when it came out.

So if they did this in 2020 we would have a RTX3070 matching a 2080Ti or coming close.

And with AMD just killing it in the CPU market. Nvidia really needs to bring us a powerhouse for a GPU.

 

Again, I meant multiplatform games in general. To clarify further, I mean I look for laptop hardware that can just brute-force outrender the generation's console hardware. Sorry if I confused you by abbreviating it with one specific console.

I want to believe, but I worry that it will be buggy because of how SLI doesn't work.

 

It won’t work like SLI, and that’s the whole point. The chiplets will appear to the software as a monolithic GPU.

 

That's the way that SLI tried to do it but the latency and bandwidth were the main biggest factors which modern design helps with. Then microsoft went with an expose it all to the developers approach which.... did not work.

 

Hello. Soon then we will see a new product in the light.
Graphics cards for Clevo X170:

• RTX 2060 6GB N18E-G1-KD-A1 Version 4.1 (6-77-X170L-D04-KDG)
• RTX 2070 8GB N18E-G2-A1 Version 4.1 (6-77-X170L-D04-HDG)
• RTX 2080 8GB N18E-G3-A1 Version 4.2 (6-77-X170L-D04-B#2DG)

 

What's the difference between these and the current RTX MXMs? I see the 2060 is still 6GB, so it can't be the Super version.

 

In the form factor, most likely, I can be wrong. Waiting for the announcement of the model.

 

They look exactly the same form factor as the current MXMs, just one of the numbers printed on the die is different. Maybe just a higher power limit vBIOS?

Definitely not Super variants. Aside from the 2060 not being 8GB as previously mentioned, the 2070 is also still using the smaller TU106 die instead of the 2070 Super's TU104.

 

I’m just hoping for a couple new laptop form factors, I’d love a 8454+8966 hybrid. The port layout of the 8454, thunderbolt 3, with the matte 16.1” screen of the 8966.

 

I hope it is 200TDP RTX2080. I am going to be running one in my laptop for sure. Then i’ll just list my GTX1080 to recoup a little.

Eurocom is pretty good at getting the new MXM models up and for sale quickly.

$1,200 bucks?

TAKE MY MONEY!!!

Dang I want a Clevo X170 kinda too. I am so impatient. I am very curious how they will look.

 

It’s good to know MXM form factor, shape, and size will remain the same though.

That would be a little disheartening if they changed it again.

 

Not sure if it's been posted yet, but LinusTechTips just posted photos to twitter which shows the XMG/Clevo PB50 chassis with a Ryzen DESKTOP processor sticker on it!
Underside/cooling is also pictured.

https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1214966482183974912

Paper next to it says "Special 65W 8-core Desktop CPU".

 

Maybe that’s why they got rid of the 8453, to get this one ready. It make me happy if they did.

 

And here I just gave up and built a desktop lol

Oh well, very excited none the less!

 

Here is the chassis according to Clevo marketing material found in their e-channel:

PB5xED_EFG:

https://imgur.com/gallery/d0Lr4Fa

PB5xRC_RF_ED1(-G)

https://imgur.com/gallery/h45mVYp

Note: It seems that it is an upcoming PB50 model with AMD not the above!

The links above we're posted by me so you guys can see the models all around

 

Awesome! I love that chassis, the port layout is perfect, and I need a matte screen. So I know now I’m holding off for a little before I buy anything, came close to committing to a Sager 8966 when I wanted the, now discontinued, 8453.

 

Nope, it is an NH57ADS.

 

Interesting, that USB 2.0 is kinda odd, figured they’d have a Thunderbolt 3 or at least another USB-C.

 

Those GPUs are just newer hardware revisions which are already shipping with the P7 models
(all Clevo RTX MXM cards had the X170 name since the beginning).
They have the exact same vBIOS and thus TGP limits as the first batch (2060_80W, 2070-115W, 2080-150W).

The X170 will have nothing too crazy either, just a little bit more 'super'...
We could have beaten that a year back if NVIDIA wouldn't artificially "clock-block 3.0" all mobile RTX models at 2100Mhz...

 

Having a USB 2.0 is still kinda useful for legacy purposes, such as installing Windows 7. I know I appreciated that on my unit.

 

That port is likely on a daughter board and could not handle the signalling requirements for USB 3.1 Gen 2 or TB3 over the ribbon cable. The N970TF is the same way, and only has a 2.0 and 3.0 port near it's audio jacks.

 

It's always a cost benefit analysis on that sort of thing.

 

excellent info, thank you!

Do the newer revision RTX mobile MXM gpu’s have that newer underclocked samsung 15.5GBPS GDDR6 memory you think?

 

Intel’s 10-core Comet Lake-S CPUs could draw up to 300W

 

Same K4Z80325BC-HC14

 

Lovely if the notebook manufacturers already have finished design + made loads of heatsink around previously assumed power consumption numbers from Intel. See... Too weak cooling capacity and too weak power delivery.

“It is said that 10-core CPUs, the flagship mainstream series for CML-S, are drawing too much power, reportedly up to 300W”

 

The 10th gen CPU's need to be shipped with a fire extinguisher.

 

I expect this will be too costly. Remember Area-51m comes without Just cripple hardware with firmware fixes after reviews is done

 

340W total cooling capacity...300W for the CPU

Looks like the dGPU is going to get the short end of the stick.

 

Jokes aside, that 300W is inside a presumably water-cooled desktop mounted on a motherboard with a beefy VRM. Nobody was pulling the 200-275W AVX load on an overclocked 8700K or 9900K either in laptops. The cooling and power delivery in the the X170 will probably limit the 10-core to the low 4GHz range if the 140W TDP for the CPU heatsink section is accurate.