Clevo Bios Mods

Anyone up for it?

 

Are you asking if anyone has balls or deep pockets?

 

We already did. I actually did with Prema and it was confirmed that there is no overclocking. The BIOS has an override.


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Can you play with turbo or is the whole menu section just locked?

 

We can fix new values for Turbo Time Limits, short & long TDP, memory speeds etc...so ideally we are able to keep the CPU (normal & XM) in turbo mode forever without any throttle.
But only to fixed values...not able to unlock BIOS options, yet.
So we can only make a custom BIOS for each persons needs, nothing that you would want to pop up on the net as one persons safe values may fry an others Notebook.

Drop me a PM, if you want to join the effort.

 

Does it mean you guys just edit the NVRAM other than the main bios?

 

@Prema what are your values for Turbo Time Limits, short & long TDP?

 

I see where Prema and Ryan troubled. The bios has a lock on it that you can't literally save the setting in BIOS after it's been modified. The only way is to make your own bios and flash it with the values you want as default = a lot of risk. I messed up the wrong value on my Envy 15 Insyde bios last time and had to replaced an entire new mobo

 

Prema got me 32s Short TTL

80W Short TDP
70W Long TDP

3.4Ghz short then 2.9~3.0ghz long on wPrime 1024m on all 8 threads [nowhere near as good as what the guys with m18x's are getting ]

 

Sure.
2720 ES is actually slower than the 2630qm because the throttle lasts only a few seconds.
I think Clevo is throttling them.

 

Editing the TDP values don't really matter, it can be used on any CPU.

I used the same BIOS for a 2920XM and the 2720QM.

Both sustained full turbo boost for months on end without reverting back to the turbo throttle settings.

 

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At 55W my 2920xm ES would throttle back to 2.4ghz.

 

I've tried to unlock every available option, if anyone wants to test it and report what has been unlocked it would be nice:

Be careful with it.

EDIT: Make sure you can recover from a bad bios, just in case.

EDIT #2: Link removed, PM me to test the bios file.

 

We have like 10-15 testers for P150HM, P170HM, P180HM and P170HM3 and each person needs totaly different values even on an identical machine with identical CPU.
The value from one will simply kill someone else's machine within seconds, because it will reach far to high temps and/or draw too much current.

THAT`S WHY THIS CAN`T BE DONE AS ONE BIOS FITS ALL without the options unlocked in bios and that can`t be done by changing the USE/ACCESS rights Sorry moral hazard

What Ryan meant is that the TDP changes are not just for XM CPUs...the changes work for all of them.

 

I just don't know what values to hard code into my bios for the turbo limits.

Could you show me a screenshot in AMIBCP of the setting you change and what values it accepts?

Because I can't find a dropdown for the turbo.
With an old bios I can only set 60W short & long TDP with intel XTU.
If I use the latest bios I can set 72W.


On a side note, it looks like MSI notebooks work much better with AMIBCP, they can unlock the good overclocking settings by changing the USE/ACCESS rights.

Also this may be the case for the Clevo W150HRM, since it only has one advanced menu in the bios, not 2 like ours.

 

Like i said on the other two threads, this isn`t a good idea to test in public.
First of changing USE/ACCESS rights won`t do a thing, beacause Clevo has an override in place.
Second there is no publicly known recovery option on these machines.
So testing stuff may simply turn it into a brick.

 

Ya, we have seen a lot of other bioses that can just be unlocked by USE/ACCESS changes...not the Clevos (we tested the whole Performance series except P270WM).
Drop me a PM with your Toshiba bios and i can take a look.

BTW: WE ARE SEARCHING FOR MORE PEOPLE WITH P170 WITH 3D SCREEN AND 2920XM or 2960XM CPU, WHO ARE WILLING TO DO SOME TESTING ON A "SPECIAL" PROJECT.

 

I believe this notebook would be different.

You can't unlock the options in your clevo bios because the whole chapter is locked.

But for this notebook, the chapter should be unlocked, just some small things under the advanced chapter are locked, like with the MSI notebooks:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/616823-comprehensive-msi-unlocked-bios-xmp-support-thread.html

It's worth testing.

I'm very confident with this bios.

 

Some brands allow to unlock everything, others block only sub menues Clevo blocks everything.
That`s from the tests with the P series.
If someone wants to test this then i would strongly suggest to pull the link and ask them to PM you.
Untested stuff should not remain on the forums as people kill their boards with it without even reading the thread.
PLEASE don`t get me wrong, i am happy that you try to do something for the community.

 

Ok link removed until someone tests it and confirms that it works.
PM me if you want to be the first to test.

Also if anyone has a clevo with an AMI bios, send me the bios link and we can test your notebook.

 

Can't there be a relatively safe increase in tdp for all np8130? I think they max out at 55tdp for my i7 2720es, raising it to say 70 shudn't cause problems I would think, or any np8130. I am fine with no ocing, I just want my turbo to actually work. ES 2720 ES downclocks to 2.2ghz on any load, so it's slower than a 2630qm.

 

If your CPU gets a little load here and there for an hour or two while gaming everything will look fine, but if you through something like folding at it the same machines cooling may suddenly not be sufficient...

If I run a benchmark with long term TDP of 70w the temps maybe 70c...once it folds it will cross 90c which is simply too high.

But like I offered before, you are welcome to PM me and we can find the perfect values for your setup.

 

Nah, I don't plan on folding or anything, though I would imagine the np8130's beefy cooler should handle it, also have some nice MX-2 on it.

So other people have tried modified BIOS for the np8130 and no bricks or anything like that? If so, I'll send a pm and we can get some testing.

I imagine 70watt long and 80 watt short wouldn't cause any trouble

 

The 70 watt and 80 watt settings don't really cause a difference, the CPU only goes up to a wattage it needs to run full turbo boost.

So if it needs around 60 watts to sustain a full turbo boost, setting 70W vs 80W won't make any differences. What Prema is doing for you is raising the power ceiling so that your CPU won't experience power throttle after a certain time of a full blown turbo boost.


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2 BIOS threads merged into 1.

Continue with discussions here!

 

I am confused what you mean by here then...? You said your cpu did not throttle back down.

 

Hmm, I may have phrased in wrongly.

When you up the long sustained TDP, it will allow the short TDP to continue on without throttling, as typically the long TDP values are set very conservatively to prevent damage to the machine, whilst short TDP is high to match the advertised turbo boost speeds.

So by just upping the long TDP, it would provide some gains in benchmarks as the CPU would not throttle back down to sustained turbo boost values.

 

So could any of you produce a BIOS for the np8130 (that someone or you tests first ;p) with like long at 65watts and short at 70? Reason for it being so high is my es 2720 never gets to 3.3ghz, only 2.9ghz

Do my settings seem reasonable? When running prime95 my cpu drops to 2.2ghz and the tdp reported is 55watts, do you think 65watts will be enough for 3.0ghz?

 

I just bought JEDEC RAM, I'd like XMP. If someone can mod the W150HRM BIOS for anything more than it currently does, I'll do a rain dance.

 

question: say ive flashed a modded BIOS with the TDP ceilings raised so that my CPU runs stable at max. turbo boost frequency. would the powersaving functions still work (Windows Powersave and HotKey Powersave), so that it downclocks to 800 Mhz?

thanks in advance

 

I would see no reason for it to stay at high frequencies, as turbo gets only activated when there is load anyway.

 

ok so the modded bios wouldnt keep the CPU in turbo boost but just make it more stable during load? so that i wouldnt throttle unnecessarily?

 

I am 99% sure that it just keeps turbo on when on load instead of throttling back. Everything else should be the same.

Hoping for someone to respond to my post on the previous page :>

 

Sure, please send me a PM with the untouched latest bios for your Sager version, all our testers have original Clevo machines, so i don`t have your bios at hand.

For the P150 we can only force the bios to use the XMP that is written on your RAM, because of lack of Intel XTU support.
You would need to add XMP profiles & make changes to their values on the RAM itself with Thaiphoon burner software.
Also the system won`t boot any longer with non XMP profile RAM unless you flash it back to a normal bios before using NON XMP RAM.

But you or someone else may run some more intense stuff in future and reach very high temps with the same bios, that`s why not "ONE FITS ALL BIOS"

YES! We just raise the ceiling

 

I sent an email to sager, I will wait on their response, hopefully better than xotic.

 

ok i got the np8130 sager bios:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/46294175/np8130 bios/815BV14S.zip

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/46294175/np8130 bios/815EC13.zip

 

OK, do as they told you and we start from there tomorrow.

 

Clevo restricts D0 stepping ES perf in later bios.

For P150hm, you need to go back to version 1.01.06.
For P170HM, it is version 1.01.02 which fits D0 es2.

Since you have a Sager machine, you should not flash clevo bios.
Instead, ask sager techsupport for a sager version 1.01.06 mainboard bios.

 

Hey guys!

Just wanted to report that the BIOS-Mod for my machine was a complete success! Thanks to Prema (+rep)! The implemented second register works just fine and now im able to reach 3.2 Ghz on all four cores (vs. 2.8 Ghz before) and for the first time saw 3.6 Ghz on one core ^^ Here some stats:

Stock BIOS:
45W long / 56W short / duration: 12s
CPU on full load with Prime95 (8 threads, max heat): 64-65°C
CPU Package wattage peaks (HWInfo32): 45W long / 55W short

Modded BIOS:
60W long / 70W short / duration: 32s
Prime95 (8 threads, max heat): 75-76°C
CPU Package wattage peaks (HWInfo32): 60W long / 65W short

Thanks again y'all, much appreciated!

cheers

 

Fixed, check your PM.

 

ha thanks ^^

although i dont think its even necessary, seeing that i can reach the turbo boost frequencies just fine with 20s duration. but i'll check it out and compare the two, can't hurt

cheers

 

Hey Prema I also have a W150HRM with I7 2630QM, 8GB DDR3 1333, GT555M.

Could you help me achieve the 'turbo mode forever'?

I apologize for my bad english. Brazilian user here.

 

Aite so get that bios, then post it here, and then one of you lovely chaps mod it and flash?

EDIT: Wait I just looked at the changelog, and one of the changes after .06 is support for a 560m I have one D:

So even if the tdp value is changed with a newer version of the BIOS I would still be forced to 2.2 ghz?
if so, that sounds like I am SOL. and I don't got le dosh for a new cpu, d'aw.
Is 1.06 the absolute latest? Not 1.11 where 560m support was added? I don't want to flash 1.06 and then end up with a brick...

Though theoritically if I got like a 2760qm QS(qualification sample) that wouldn't be a D0 would it? QS are exactly same as OEM correct?

 

QS is D1 or D2 stepping.
OEM is D2.
ES2 is D0.

 

RELAX! You will be good either way! Do the updates as they told you so you have the correct EC base & check your PM in a few minutes

 

So Prema, you mean with the latest BIOS that sager sent to me correct? Not the old 1.06 right? Just making sure.

 

YES!

And just to make sure you know how to make a bootable flash drive, right?!

Please send me your untouched bios and if you know what you want your TDP values of choice (you need 5 posts to PM or be PMed)

 

i usually use the hp flash utility

 

Just flashed, but the performance is the same, still throttles to 2.2ghz. According to throttle stop, TDP never gets past 55watts.

running prime95 in background.

 

THIS IS NOT BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED OR SOMEONE SAID, IT IS OF PURE PREVENTIVE NATURE!

FOR EVERYONE. I DIDN`T OFFER TO MAKE CUSTOM BIOS FOR THE MASSES!

I will however try to help a few people as my time permits, granted that you guys know what you are doing.
But, neither can I walk each one through the flashing process, nor find out the perfect values for individual setups, that is your job.

So if you have no clue what this is about, if you don`t know if you have a Sager or a Clevo bios, how to flash it, how to run tests and determine safe values for your configuration, then either inform yourself properly or leave it.

I am sure resellers are watching this thread with horror in their eyes, just waiting for the call of the first DUDE, who flashed or burned his baby to dust and wants to RMA it.
I love to help you guys, but i don`t want anybody to lose their precious toy!

 

I will help you but please PM me!