Clevo W870CU

What about the power adapter of only 120W? It doesn't look like they take into account that a future real GT200M or GT300M card might need more than 75W. For comparison, D900F still has wattage room for a future 100W video card.
Will a simple adapter replacement be enough or do they need a model refresh?

 

I don't know, but I seriously doubt that these video cards will require more than 75W.

 

When I talk real GT200M and GT300M I mean full 256 shaders and 512 shaders respectively which is up to 4 times more than an architecture, e.g. G92, that got stuck at the same level for several years.
You may doubt they will require over 75W but to 'seriously' doubt that would make you the best sales agent Nvidia will have for years.

 

Current nVidia gpus max out at 75W. I believe it is nVidia's or perhaps the laptop market in general's unwillingness to go above 75W that has kept nVidia from using the GT200 architecture in the mobile sector. nVidia is just now introducting the mobile GT200 architecture now that they have started using a 40nm process. I suspect they will keep the mobile GT300 architecture in the ballpark of 75W, which means it will be a stripped down version just like all prior nVidia mobile GPUs.
If I'm wrong and nVidia does release a 100W mobile card, it might be time for you to jump ship to ATI/AMD
I wouldn't get your hopes up for a 512 shader nVidia GPU until at least 32nm process.

 

The new Mobility 5870 maxes at 60w, so don't doubt that Nvidia can fit its 40nm chips under 70w as well.

 

Where did you get that info? Btw, I'm not trying to insinuate that your wrong

 

where are the data for this ???

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=404329

 

Confirmed support for HD-4870XT, ATI Manhattan (DX11) and Nvidia GTX 3xxM. However, ATI cards will not be standard specs.

 

again ... where is the source ???

 

It is in Canada: Eurocom.

 

Yea but the market for video cards with usage above 75W is zero to none.

Moving to 40nm production process will help with the wattage. Also, nVidia will probably nerf the card like they do with all mobile cards, in order to get the wattage down to 75W.

 

Ok, some more questions about the core i7 Clarksfield. So, after doing some research, I just want to confirm some notions.

I keep worrying about the low clock speeds..if you were to plug the laptop in, would the clock speed scale up automatically? Also, if a game was a dual core, would the clock speed scale up because only 2 cores are used? If that's the case, what about games that are designed for 4 cores?

 

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I'm not 100% sure what you mean.

Did your research mention the Turbo Mode? This is exactly what it does.

Then no Turbo Mode, but it's been implied that the CPU can be overclocked @ 4 cores, as long as it stays within it's TDP. Whether this is fact, and whether it's done through software or within the BIOS has yet to be determined.

 

Then you should be asking questions about the GPU rather than the CPU. All games, with the exception of the notorious ones such as GTA IV and Supreme Commander, can run just fine on a 2GHz C2D.

 

Well..how would the notorious ones play on a 1.7 ghz clarksfield? And the GPU would be the GT280m

 

It will play pretty damn well.

 

See, I trust what you're saying, but it's just the clock speeds seems so darn low....

Now what about the TDP? I understand its 45 for the 1.7ghz. What role does that play?

 

I'm going to say that clock speed is everything so that you would avoid the horrendously low clocked mobile i7's and ultimately this thread entirely. We have already told you the answer to that several times already and have pointed you in the right direction.

 

I think this is a pretty could pick for him.
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27371

It is clearly the fastest mobile CPU ever made.

 

Remember the pentium 4 days? You had 4GHz chips back then. Then when CoreDuo launched the raw clock speed was cut in half, but they were still more powerful than the P4's...The same is true of I7's.

 

Eurocom has listed 1GB GDDR3 ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4870XT; DirectX 10.1; M98-XT; 55nm; MXM 3.0B; 16x PCIe in available GPUs for W870CU.

It says only GDDR3 memory, I wondered what is performance of this Ati card compared to GTX 280M.

Does anyone have any info about clocks or performance?

 

if its the same as the asus it will be more powerful


the 4850 has hit 7K in vantage

 

1GB GDDR3 ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4870XT ... nice.

Probably a slightly higher clocked 4870. But still nice.

 

It will beat a 280M at least. If the core clock can be brought near 700 it will be very good...

 

yea the 4850 with 690 on the core gets a impressive 7k like i said

 

You can take this with a grain of salt if you want to, but a reliable acquaintance has informed me that there's a problem with the downclocking of the GDDR5 RAM of the Mobility 4870, and that's why we haven't seen it yet.

Ugh, 7k? I can't even hit 5,000.

 

my m17x is feeling bare

 

haha, still calling it the 4850?

Even with GDDR5 the Mobility 4870 is a very capable card, and like you said, it hit 7k for Vantage GPU @ 1.2v with the clocks set to 650mhz core and 950mhz memory. It can hit a bit over 700mhz core, but not very stable (probably due to the 1.2v).

I recently found out that I can set it to any voltage value and the sweetspot seems to be 1.13-1.15v, both of which seem to allow the core to reach 650mhz and with more stablilty.

Would be nice if the W90 can do this with both GPUs simultaneously

 

When it goes cinderalla on me and magically gets ddr5 I'll call it 4870

Any way I want ati cards !

 

I guess it's time for another 8800GT to make it SLI

 

behold the Clevo W870CU and all its glory. The pics look great XD.

original source Notebookjournal.com

 

The W860CU is just as big as the G51 and almost as big as my M570TU. It seems that everyone is slowly transitioning to 16:9, which isn't necessarily a bad thing despite my heavy disapproval for it.

The W870CU is the successor to the M570TU and will be 16:9 17 inch. Both the W860CU and W870CU's battery and cooling have been adapted from the "test bed" M980NU, which has, in my opinion, the most bad*ss cooling any Clevo has had before. However, Clevo will most likely follow history and make the W870CU the very top of the mobile CPU/single GPU systems by giving it the i7 920XM and the GTX 280M. The W860CU will most likely be given a "restricted" motherboard so that it can't properly supply enough power to those top shelf components just as we have witnessed with the M860TU. Both will probably sell for below $2,000 at base config.

In my opinion, these two systems are going to be short lived like the M570A back in 2005. Clevo will be using them as a "feeler" to iron out all the kinks. I'm waiting for 32nm Westmere until I replace my Clevo.

 

All that needs to be done is rip off that ugly Eurocom badge and it will be perfect. Clevo adapting the new keyboard, RGB LED panels, and RAID is also a plus in my book. If it comes in black with silver trim, or silver-backed with silver trim, I will be all over it. The future of the M570TU looks to be very bright indeed. I can't wait to mod the hell out of it when I invest in one after the the last refresh of Westmere.

 

It's been said that the current mobile i7 socket is in for the long haul, and all future processors will fit into it.

We'll see if this pans out, but you just gave me a bit of hesitation on whether I should sell my notebook.

 

The first generation i7 socket will be short lived as Intel will change sockets once again. However, I agree with you. I am not completely backing my statement as I do not have concrete proof, and I would rather wait to see what Intel has in store for us rather than pull rabbits out of my Russian hat.

 

Clevo didn't used to support RAID in their multi-HDD notebooks?

 

What I mean is this is the first notebook following the M570 lineage to have two HDD bays. I used RAID under the assumption that "smart" people would already know that there is atleast two hard drives. It will also be hardware RAID as witnessed in Clevo's history.

 

Ah. Thought you meant there was a hardware or software restriction on multi-HDD machines. Would seem kind of stupid, but you know how the world is.

 

No, I think it's only you. The rest of the world is pretty intelligent.

I think that Clevo put a whole lot of time and money into R&D to engineer the W870CU and W860CU. It is about time that Clevo got up to date in aesthetics as the M570 hasn't changed so much at all but in color scheme. I don't know if you guys are as moved as I am right now, but this is really going to be a very, very bright future. It's so bright it's even making me question my loyalty to the Dark side of The Force.

 

Let me amend what I said, because I was pretty vague, if not outright incorrect. Fudzilla reports that there will be a higher clocked, more power efficient Clarksfield refresh in early 2010, which will use the same rPGA socket G1, but the 32nm isn't guaranteed to follow suit.

The 32nm is a long way off though, and I'm not sure I could wait until Q2, especially if the 5xxx/3xx appear in Clevos before then.

I'm right there with you. The revolution is nigh.

 

Youch.

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I feel you, Kevin_Jack2.0. That sounds like the best possibility for the future of 45nm right now.

Waiting is the beauty of the notebook world. My notebook is about seven months young and is still at the top of her class. The same goes with your M860TU. It is an incredible notebook that can still keep up with 2010 technology. However, I think it is up to both our wallets to decide whether we can wait it out or not, haha.

 

I haven't seen anything that would indicate the i7 mobile socket, mPGA-989, is going to be short lived. The next iteration of Core i7, Westmere, is all but gaurenteed to use the same socket. Barring the lack of a compatible bios from Clevo I don't see any reason these laptops wouldn't support i7 through Westmere. That's about as good as you can hope for. Sandy Bridge, Westmere's successor, will be a different architecture.
In addition, I have a feeling that without competition from AMD, Sandy Bridge will probably arrive late.

 

For me right now, it's down to a calculation of profitability. The sale of my M86 would go directly into the W86 fund, so I need to sell it while it's still at a peak of value. Waiting would be ideal, but I was there day one for the M860TU (had NBR's first one), was within a month or so for the M860ETU, and the W series being the first notebooks in existence with the mobile i7s makes launch day hard to resist. If tech was libido, I'd be a nympho.

The more I look at that W87, the more I'd take on with a silver trim.

Ugh. Tigris is a freaking joke, and while Phenom finally goes mobile next year, Intel already has the i7 locked in and it will be extremely difficult to gain marketshare. Heck, by the time AMD releases, Intel's 32nm won't be far off.

 

I would say wait until the refresh of the W860CU or W870CU. You just got your second M860TU and it wants love.

I took a closer look at the images linked from Notebookjournal. The Eurocom badges are photoshopped into the notebook. I agree, in silver trim the notebook would look absolutely stunning. Clevo would lose quite a number of potential customers if they don't follow suit.

dalingrin. AMD will need to pull something amazing in order to gain some foothold in the mobile sector. They are still competitive in the desktop market, but Intel completely monopolizes the entire spectrum of the mobile market right now. Maybe if they buy Transmeta, they can engineer a CPU worthy of competing against Intel's Atom, haha.

 

may i please kindly inquire - your avatar - what is sakura holding ???

 

Actually, AMD just ironed out a deal with Clevo, albeit for entry level notebooks or for the emergent markets:
http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/clevo-to-distribute-notebooks-2009sept8.aspx

 

that laptop LOOKs STUNNING !


Clevo did it right.

its gonna be a while before AMD is relevant in laptops again. Their more worried about ATI @ this moment which is basking in glory. Once they get them re established and raking in the money ....they will have HOPEFULLY better R&D.


ALL IMO

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