Clevo is showing the GeForce GTS 360M 1GB GDDR5 as an upcoming option!!

Is it just me, or does anyone else here see this as the battle of the mid-range desktop GPUs?

Mobility 5870 is a desktop 5750 with 80 more stream proc, or a 5770 with 150mhz less on the core. Either way you look at it, it's a nifty repackage. Look the way of Nvidia's upcoming mid-range for your fabled GTX 380M.

My guess is it will be some time before GTX 380M can possibly exist. Nvidia hasn't even updated their desktop line yet, besides the mainstream, but 40nm, GT 240. So for the meantime, GTS 360M is a repackaged desktop GT 240, and the GTX 285M still has a chance to become a reality (factory overclocked 280M).

Without a updated desktop line to draw conclusions from, you can only guess the specifications of a 380M. I think it will be at least a year until we see a 40nm (or perhaps smaller), 256 bit mobile GPU. I could justify 144 shaders, 128 bit, GDDR5, 650mhz Core on Nvidia's behalf. It would be very similar to the mobility 5870.

Why 144 shaders? Because GT200 is structured by TPCs (texture processing cluster), with each TPC containing 24 shader units. The GTS 360M (aka GT 240M), has 4 TPCs, for example, at 96 total shader cores.

It could be more, it could be less, it's all guesswork right now, Nvidia is very far behind as we know it.

 

Why would they do that to such capable tech? Perhaps power/heat reduction, to put more capable graphics into smaller laptops?

 

I talked to the main man from nVidia at CES today and he said that the GTS 360 is their fastest new mobile card up to now, and that nothing more will be said at CES. He was hinting that by 'March look for the GTX's that will beat the ATI Mobility HD5870 DDR5', he said this with a smile...

 

Wouldnt be much of a rep if he didnt say it was their fastest card

 

I'll speculate that the GTX 300M to be the fastest chips when they come. The 15-25% the 5870 has over the 280M will be caught by a strong G200 based chip.

 

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You should have smiled back and said "but are they DX11?".

 

Who cares about DX11, when most notebook cards on the market can't handle DX10 at full tilt? I don't think DX10 has even hit full potential anyways.

 

I care, there is your answer.

 

There wasn't much exciting about DX10. Fog looked better, yay, but otherwise not too thrilling. DX11's tessellation looks pretty sweet, though, and it's tempting to get excited about it. Even if it takes a performance hit, I might go with a slightly lower resolution to get some tessellation action going on.

If GTX300's don't have DX11, there's no reason to dish out for an upgrade (assuming that's possible).

 

All my other pics failed on the GTS 360M, but 3D Blu ray is coming for laptops too...just a quick one.

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Out of curiosity does the 280M support DX11?

 

The GTX 280M as well as all other DX10/DX10.1 ready cards can run most of the features DX11 has to offer, but not all of them.

 

Dirt 2 is DX11 is it not

 

Yes, it is. Including Battleforge and STALKER.

 

The only benefit of GTS 360M is a higher mem speed, but with 96 shaders and 128bit bus it's not even close to the leading group - 280/260/4870. It's no way to be the current fastest...

 

It's not supposed to be the fastest. From what was told to us a CES, March is the key month to look for, for THE FASTEST mobile chip.

 

in the asus G73 forum member DT84 posted a site showing a clevo with the 5870 gddr5 does anyone have any ideas or have any other reselers doing this?
link
http://www.santech.it/shop/articoli.aspx?idArt=39

 

To me, that smells like Eurocom's offering pre-orders with HD4870s, before they found out it couldn't be done.

 

Well I hope Clevo will support ATI 5870. It shouldn work with the MXM 3 type B, shouldnt it?

 

No and yes.

 

Well, that means?

 

No ATi cards from Clevo, but they will work if they are in MXM 3.0 and if the BIOS supports it.

 

Damn.... right now theres no Nvidia that supports dx11?

 

Nope ... gussing mid to end of the year, sounds like Nvidia will not have DX11 untill fermi cards appear

 

Right. There will be no DX11 cards until Nvidia produces the successor to the mobile G92b.

 

man i really hope there is at least 1 or 2 new cards released with MMX 2.1 suport.. im sure some obscure mac or some other laptop will request a model built..

really want a upgrade for my 9800m GT now... but mabye that will change when all i play is SC2 and Diablo3.. right now shattered horizon is killlling my gpu

 

How come Santech.it has an option for 360M or 5870? I posted the link few days ago.

 

We will know if they really have it or not on the 28th. If North American resellers don't have it, then nobody has it.

 

Eurocom had an option for ATI cards in one of the recent Clevo models (I forget which, I want to say D900F or M980NU) before they came out, which was quickly withdrawn once the models actually went on sale.

 

Looks like Fermi will be hot.... http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17198/1/

My guess is that the main performance gains that we will get in the mobile sector for the next few years will be mainly from die-shrinks. Looks like the tech is reaching its limits.

 

Fermi, even when shrunk to 32nm is going to be too hot for notebooks.

 

Nah 2.1 is dead, and what does release will be BIOS restricted anyway.

But Shattered Horizon levels of performance are beyond rare, where a 9800M GT is basically the minimum requirement. Heck look at Mass Effect 2:



G92 isn't dead yet, not by a long shot.

 

This is DT results right?
G92 in terms of mobile is way behind ATI imo...

 

G92M = ATI Mobility, so far.

 

What's with all the 128bit memory buses lately?

 

Much, MUCH cheaper to produce, and combined with GDDR5 provides just as much bandwidth...

Bit of a fail if combined with GDDR3 though, but then that was never the intent.

 

Hate Nvidia all you want, but you've gotta give G92 some credit. Even this new fangled GTS 360M performs no better than than the ol' 8800M GTX. It was great architecture from the beginning. The rehashes have become long in the tooth, but the peak-efficiency G92b still performs admirably. We're not yet in the DX11 age.

 

I give the G92 credit where it's due, however that doesn't mean it's not direly in need of replacement now, it's falling behind both in minimum framerate terms, and overall capability (there's only so long you can keep hoping to move it to a lower process, increase the power [and heat], and unlock a few more shaders to up the speed) and also in terms of the feature set.

It's not all about DX11, but there are cores out there far more capable than the G92, which has had a good run, but needs to be put to rest now.

 

If we have desktop GTS 250's for GTX 285M's (738/1100), you might ring a different tone. GTX 280M is still a ways off from G92's peak potential. It would be as fast, or slightly faster than the Mobility 5870, no kidding.

Then top it off with GF100 derived GTX 380M...

 

I'll give 2:1 odds to anyone who doesn't think 380M will be on a G200 core.

 

I've owned desktop G92 chips, I know what they're capable of, still doesn't mean I dont think they're outdated as far as it goes. Features, SLI, minimum FPS, the G92 suffers there compared to newer cores.

Even IF it was faster than the M5870, the almost certainty of it is that it would have less features, run hotter, and consume more power. Not really what I want in a laptop, even a DTR at that, I'd rather have forward progress unilaterally...cooler, more performance per watt, better features.

There's more than raw performance to a card

Regards GT380m...well with that I'll simply wait and see at Cebit...G92/G200 based, neither would surprise me.

 

I dont think well see GF100 based mobile units for a while...
G200 maybe

 

I'd say should the GTX 380m come out, even if it's a GT200 rip off, it's still going to be pretty good. As long as it can run any cooler or have even 10W less TDP then I'm gonna be happy. Especially if at stock clocks it outperforms my overclocked 280m; then I'll be one happy camper O.O

 

Nice rig man (from your sig)
What clocks are you running?

 

630/1000/1600 normally. I used to run 650/1000/1650, but only a couple games benefited much from the extra clocks, and crashing happened fairly often depending on the game so I lowered it. I have a profile set for Street Fighter 4 to raise the clocks back up when it runs; that lets me run it with C8x AA in fullscreen... looks so sweet ^^.

I hate the new video driver though... the only reason I'm using it is because DiRT2 demands it or it starts crashing >_> I want to go back to my non-WHQL beta driver T.T

 

Nice man,
When i did my benching thread i was sunning 660/1150/1650
I was asking for an explosion haha

 

lol your memory was asking for ze explosion. I've actually had enough now, back on 186.03 Far Cry 2 never crashed, now it crashes after playing for like 6 minutes. *sigh*. Back to beta!!! I don't need DiRT 2 >_>

 

I need to revert to 186.03 for my Desktop cause the new drivers dont support 3x 8800 Ultras on an X58 mobo... ?

DiRT 2 is awesome, my fav game on this laptop D900F + Logitech G27 = pure driving heaven

 

Do I get those odds if I bet on it being a G92 core?