Core i7 and GTX 280M or QX9300 and GTX 280M?

280 has 16 more Pixel shaders (~14%), but speed wise they are wickedly close.

 

Ill probably go for 280's if i can afford. With those overclocked, nothing will match until new ones come out.

 

hummmmm yes there will the ddr3 4870's are extremely close and beating it in some areas

The ddr5 4870's due to be released soon ..(.more and more evidence people )

will smoke 280's

 

The 4870 GDDR 5, have been hearing about it since the 9 series era. I wonder why the late release though.

I'd say the performance gap between the top range cards as of now and the 4870 would be about 10-20%? An estimation from the performance difference between a GDDR 3 4850 GS and a GDDR 5 4850 GS.

 

well DDR5 chip just started being produced in Feb i believe ....

Any way who care it will come out when it comes out simple as that ... Dell and my service manual is enough confirmation for me

 

Well, if the 4870 GDDR 5 was given as options for laptops to contend with the mobility GTXs at the same time, those over at Nvidia would stop jerking off in their office over the internet.

Seemed just like yesterday when Nvidia brushed aside the 4870, claiming that the GTX 280m would reign supreme. So much for that coming true.

 

yup

Mobile GPU's clearly ATI is winning

 

I wouldn't say winning because their cards aren't widely found in most laptops yet, soon enough though. ATI's finally getting it on, as in performing on par with Nvidia, which is good in a sense because Nvidia can finally stop frolicking in their offices, slapping some new titles on an old core when the deadline draws near, clocking it a bit higher and claiming it was the .

 

Lol. you seem to be mad at nvidia?

 

ugh who isn't

 

Who switch

 

what?

i really can not understand that comment

 

i meant to say who switched from ati to nvidia. then i put the wandering eyes so no one will look at me but you. Lol. JK

 

i don't prefer them

I got single to save for 4870's

I fixed the car but decided to wait

 

oh ok. well when i liked ati when i had them but i couldn't stand the driver install. it took me for ever and nothing. (of course i got it to work but it should be install ok done.)

 

Well, yea, I'm mad at Nvidia, but I'm still an Nvidia fanboy in the end. Maybe not a fanboy, I like sticking to a brand which I'm familiar with,as long as it's still performing and regardless of rebranding or not, Nvidia's cards are still performing well, just not as well as one would expect after their claims of superiority over the other.

Personally, I like having multiple options when installing drivers. they say less is more, but in this case, more is certainly a better option for me.

 

Ill buy whatever is the fastest but i still prefer Nvidia. If ATI's new offering Stomps the 280s into the ground then ill be all about it , but we have to wait and see .

 

I highly doubt the 4870's with GDDR5 will stomp the 280's. Beat them? Probably, but not by a huge margin that would merit upgrading from 280Ms or even 4850's.

 

depending on the clock speeds again. this is were the 3870/4850 failed even though ati was bragging about using desktop gpus. the clocks speeds couldn't reach close to desktops to count.

nvidia is claiming the 260 GTS (128bit gddr5) is going to be clocked at 1,800 on the memory (there websites say 2000 but that high. )

and for everyone that overclocks know how important the memory is. with gddr3 bring it to 200-300 over the stock speeds bringn great results(9800m gtx stock 800 i can bring it to 950-960 stable. the 280m is 1,100-1,200 stable and that a high overclock. of cousre this is overvolted as well)

so knowing that gddr5 is a 10 percent performance increasement over gddr3 but 800 vs 1800 or even 1,200 vs 1,800(or 2000 is nvidia is right) plus overclocking it. will bring results that can't be touched.

right know (i don't know the clocks but the desktop 4850 vs the 4870 is about 30% faster with gddr5 and higher clocks(i wish i know the clock speeds lol))

we don't know where ati is going to go in this route. if they also bring these cards core higher and the memory sky rocket then we will know the winner and by how much.

 

I wouldn't say ATI's winning...we've been hearing about ddr5 4870's forever and nothing, but Nvidia has already announced the launch of its ddr5 128 bit cards.

 

ROFLMAO

So has ATI in Feb

4830 4860

 

Hi Feb....meet July.

 

And where is Nvida on their new ( o wait ) 2year core?

nowhere


besides the 4860 is being tested with a Asus notebook its benchmarks are some where

 

Why innovate when the competition, at best, can only established parity 2+ yrs later?

Yes, the G9X core was and is that good for mobility.

At least ATI caught up and the 48XX series of mobile parts are nice. Vantage GPU definitely showed the 3870's weren't in the 8000 and 9000 series mobile parts ballpark, but at least the 48XX parts are offering worthy competition and forcing Nvidia to offer their current parts at better pricing. It's good for consumers all around.

AMD is great for the industry in regards to Nvidia (GPUs) and Intel (CPUs).

 

the 3870x2 overclocked wasn't beating the nvidia's 8800m gtx stock in vantage(8500).

 

because calling a 260/280mGTX something new to me is fraud and they should be raped in fines

Thousands of people don't know and think they are better ...i feel almost sad for them

 

I think Nvidia's naming scheme is quite clever. We can tell who are the real enthusiasts that actually read between the lines and those who just buy whatever sounds fast and is at the top of the shelf. There are a bunch of both in this thread alone, and you and I know who they are.

 

I agree its clever but moral no

 

There is no morality in this. Nvidia put the cards out there with their complete specs sheets for all to read. It is the fault of the consumer for not reading more into what they are investing in. Consumer ignorance is not an excuse. It's as simple as that.

 

IMO i just have a different view point

We can leave it @ that

So we can still get long

 

I still haven't found anyone with a 4850 willing to go head to head with me... and I'm 90% sure the 280M is faster at everything, except vantage. Vantage likes shaders, and the 4850 has more of them.

 

Yup, I'll admit I'm one of them. I should have done more research, but let that be a lesson learned.

 

i think for me its out of the Sager 18incher or the Alienware M17x
i think its more down to the size, yeah the Alienware might cost more
but it will also be smaller and i think i would rather have a 17incher, 18inches seems a bit too big for me

 

Im dealing with the same thing... 18.4" will probably be okay for me... the glossy plastic and unaligned keyboard kills me third hd is great though. up to 500gb of space. the alienware wins in looks...

 

You will get used to the keyboard in about 5 minutes. And, actually, the keys om the M980 is more centered, when you think about it - meaning the part of the keyboard you use to type with, are more centered versus the screen.

 

yep and with the keyboard in its position the trackpad is actually centered to the computer... but i really wish there was something to do with that glossy plastic...

 

I've been having the same dilemna. I've actually been leaning back to the 9280 or even the 5797 after reading about all the SLI issues games have been having with the 280 cards. I'm sure they might get ironed out in the future, but I want a machine that works, and I rarely play FPS type games that require top of the line graphics. Mostly play RPGs or MMORPGs (looking forward to the Dragon Age, Aion, and Old Republic in the next year, as an example).

Between the 9280 and the 5797 it's a tough call. I like the idea of having more than one hard drive so I can have the OS on a SSD boot disk and use a 7200 RPM 500 gb drive as a second drive, but I could just get the 5797 and upgrade the drive to a large SSD later when the prices come down.

Thoughts?

 

I know electrosoft said its been running amazing on his 9280 (WoW)

either one will be great and really it only comes down to :

Size
Looks
HD's
CPU

 

Thanks Moo. It seems like the 9280 would be more upgradeable in the future over the 5797 that has the mobile chip? Maybe I'm overly worried about all of the SLI issues that the Alienware owners have been having, but I hate spending tons of money expecting to run games like Crysis at their highest settings only to realize that the SLI issues prevent me from doing so.

Of course, one thing the 5797 has going for it is that it is more portable and can last longer on battery power.

 

Hmmm...you have a pretty capable system-- where are you having buyer's remorse?

 

The only games I can't max out on the 5797 (GTX 280m - qx9300). are crysis/warhead and GTA IV. GTA IV on highest setting drops during night. warhead runs great on the first level, then drops 25 or below some levels at 1920x1200 gamer. However it handles every other game I have at 1920x1200 maxed out(besides 16xaa or other ridiculousness). The only game that can't be played above 20fps at any setting is sim city 4. I get about 5-15 fps but its because of a gpu and cpu driver bug in the game I can't fix.

Money aside, I'd always take a QX9300 over an i7 920, i7 is about 20% faster (not so much when both are overclocked), but in gaming it doesn't matter. But what does matter is that the QX9300 will allow you to get over an hour battery life. The i7 will tie you down to an outlit and turns your $2200 i7 notebook into basically a $1000 desktop with questionable cooling. Not to mention you can't go SLI if you get an i7 notebook.

 

not longer then the m17x

and the 9280 is able to be upgraded more


the SLI works fine and crysis would run better ith SLI

 

Somewhat, thinking I could have just gone with an M17x, but I get it tomorrow, so well see how it all pans out.

Maybe I'll end up getting a M17x this X-mas though.

 

I dont understand whats the problem, Intel Core 2 Quad Q9100 2.26 GHz and 260M run GTA4 on high at 40.56 fps

here:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-mySN-XMG5-Clevo-M860TU-Notebook.17146.0.html

 

Notebookcheck isn't exactly the beacon of accuracy......

 

Thats at 1280x1024 res and 25/100 view. I'm playing at 1920x1200 res and 50/100 view at highest settings (car density at 25 for preference and high refill) and it drops in the 20s at night, but smooth during day. Turning shadow density down really seems to improve it at night. This on a qx9300+gtx280m

 

OR....
You could just lower the resolution a bit to get better frames and up the graphics options. In my opinion, I'd rather see more eyecandy with a slightly lower res w/ AA (forced or not) and higher frames than a sharper visual with lowered settings/eyecandy and lower frames...

(Disregard the Asus sig, it's still not entirely decided. I'm also looking at Sagers along with Asus but I'm still moving...)

 

Or you could get hardware that lets you have it all......

 

no one wants to lower anything on gaming. we want to max out everything.

 

For what it's worth, GTA4 runs pretty well for me. The game looks great with everything "maxed" out besides view and detail distance at 50, and shadow density off. I get 30+ FPS average easily.