Delidding 6700k

did you phone to order or use website?

also their shipping prices is ridiculous for small stuff like pads and paste tubes?

 

Nope always online.

I usually choose USPS Priority, that costs like $9 or something. Otherwise First Class Mail is about $3 IIRC. From East Coast (NY) to the West Coast (LA), former takes about 2 days and the latter, 3-4.

One time when shipping was delayed, they called me up on Sunday and sorted it out over the phone. Dude was pretty helpful and upgraded to Priority shipping for free.
Also Kryonaut and a few other thermal pastes are a few $$ cheaper on MemoryC most of the time.

 

I'll give them a shot next time then.

 

If you only need a little of a bigger size, what I do is just cut a pad side ways to obtain that 4, 5, 6mm size etc.... No need to order a whole sheet of something you'd only use a fraction of.



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sideways? do you mean stacked?

 

I try to avoid stacking due to the loss of thermal conductivity per contact. The loss is by a factor of 2.

Ex. If 6w m/k pads are stacked, it now becomes ~3w m/k..

For this reason I like to keep the thermal pad once piece so I cut a 4mm into cubes of the size that I need.

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That's what I thought, sorry I am confused by what you are trying to explain. Do you mean folding 2mm to make a 4mm? or 1mm to make 2mm? from the picture of the thermal layout I only need a small amount of 4mm but I'm finding it crazy to find any whatsoever! I don't want to cut corners with the 2mm as it's used the most in the layout

 

I'm genuinely exhausted from looking for thermal pads. Amazon has only a few that aren't good enough and on ebay I can't seem to find anything in UK or nearby for 2mm or 4mm

 

Not comfortable with international Shipping?

 

If you lay a 4mm thermal pad flat on a desk, you can cut it to any size that you want width wise. So if there is a small fet that I'm trying to cover with thermal pads that needs to be extra long, I'll just cut the thick pad width wise to achieve the required length.

So if I need a pad to fit over a fet to be 6mm long, I'd just cut a piece width wise 6mm, which would make it 4mm by 6mm.

Hope that makes sense.

 

I don't mind it's just the fact they gouge so hard and it ends up being so expensive.

 

this is my current thermal pad layout http://imgur.com/Uor4wEH

ignore the paste that was the first time I opened it from the seller the other side was literally plastered in paste.

 

Yeah most places want $30+ just to send a few pads. That's just unreasonable , it doesn't cost half that much - I swear they actually end up cutting of their nose to spite their face.
Amazon and pretty good. Coolaboratory aren't bad either if buying CLU - it's reasonable.

 

Doesn't look all that bad. Slightly overdone, but that's typical and safe as long as it's a non-conductive TIM.

 

Its not too bad, but the there is a pretty thick gap . Also if you look at the CPU contact surface, the heat sink is only actually making contact on one edge. Everywhere else there is a thick gap. The circled areas -

 

@Tony Palmer

Where in the UK are you?

 

Hartlepool, North East

 

So my heatsink isn't making good contact either? so if i switch to liquid metal it won't make much difference if the contact isn't there?

 

I genuinely think the thickness of the pads is wrong. If you see how squashed some of them are looks like the wrong thickness is parts. Could be raising the heatsink slightly off the cpu?

 

Shame. if you'd been in the south east I could have de-lidded your CPU for you

 

Yeah always the case. Delidding won't make much difference if my heat sink isn't making good contact

 

Could put in a shim

 

Copper shin? how would I gauge the needed thickness? I posted a picture earlier of my heatsink when it was first removed. Do you think it's still worth delidding? got everything needed here

 

Yeah Liquid metal not work with that type of contact.

 

Delidding is as useless as it gets. Sorry but it makes next to no difference, no reason to void warranty for that extra c.
If you want better performance consider undervoltage, heatsink reword and a better fan/ Fanmod.

You're going through all this trouble to break your warranty, potentially risking breaking your CPU and even if you're successful it will only improve the max temp very slightly to nothing.

I want you to make an experiment. Go stresstest your notebook with the hardware you have, tell us the max temperatures you got.

Then go and do the exact same test with the whole bottom plate off. Tell us the max temperatures again.

U'd be amazed at the result. It will probably clear up a lot of questions even tho you will get more desperate. I'm currently trying to find a solution to this problem myself.

 

With my current paste job done myself the cores are all over the place one can be 60 and the other 40 at idles. If the heatsink isn't making good contact then nothing will help. My CPU is already undervolted 150. I've had to push the CPU back to 4ghz. and I'm still not getting good temps last benchmark everything was hitting 90+ one core was 12degrees difference throughout.

Do you honestly not think that delid could help? there's a lot of arguments for it. My warranty means nothing if I can't enjoy the machine itself. Bought liquid metal that is essentially useless if my heatsink is wonky

 

on your earlier post about the CPU contact and GPU what would you recommend?

 

Delidding does nothing. It only makes sense in a desktop PC.
Sadly your issue here is not only the cooling system itself. The issue I noticed on many clevos (mine included) is that the heat gets trapped inside the case and heating everything up like an oven. I tested this on 3 clevo machines, once you take the bottom plate off and put it on your lap the temperatures drop massively.

 

Surely the main issue is the heatsink? I don't see how the back plate off the laptop will reduce temperatures this much?

 

No, if you read my post then you know that the issue is an airflow problem. Which is partially caused by the heatsink i'd imagine.

As i said, take of your backplate of the notebook and try for yourself. You'll notice a temperature drop of around 15-20c

 

You are the first person I've heard suggest this. The back plate of the laptop off isn't a good fix for me. I'd rather the heatsink was making good contact with the chips themselves.

 

You would be suprised to see what people tried to do in order to fix the temperatures, ultimatively, even tho they made new holes, added heatsinks here and there, delidded, polished the heatsink and so on. Nothing really made a signifficant difference.

Until one guy did something to improve the airflow. He basicially added a fan in the system, boom, massive drop. Overclocked GTX 980M to literal desktop GTX 980 performance.

URL to his benchmark

 

Not sure where you get that info from, but on every system I've delidded and replaced the past inside with LM I've seen a drop of 10-15C, on some it's been closer to 20

 

Seen it on 2 systems myself. It takes longer for the CPU to get hotter but the MAX temp was still the same.

 

I've done around 14 systems so far, and everyone had a large temp drop which stayed at the lower temp even after using Aida64 for over 3 hours

 

Can you provide some modelnumbers? I'd be interested to know

 

multiple sellers are offering delidding now as standard. Surely if it wasn't a viable way to reduce heat then they wouldn't risk it with the chips?

 

Using both the 6700K and 7700K on P775DM3's and P870DM3's

 

I've seen it on 2 P750DM and it basicially didn't do anything.

 

Then you are doing something wrong

 

Well I'm at a loss to decide what to do. Considering the laptop back panel is also the feet on the bottom I can't keep it off. Heatsink not making contact isn't great and I'm wondering if switching to liquid metal is going to make much difference

 

Never did it myself Got 2 guys who did it themselves.

Well, seems you got quite some things to work on.

 

So I decided to take the heatsink off check the actual contact made. Found the old GC Extreme paste almost completely dried out?? I decided not to delid yet (going to get a delid tool) but did use the CLU liquid metal. Just finished. Idle temps are all around 33-35 degrees. That's over 10 degrees cooler and the GPU is around 11-13 degrees cooler. I've read about undervolting the GPU as well as the CPU so I think with those I'll be quite happy so far.

Really don't get much of that liquid metal for the money! enough to do the two chips and the heatsink side.

Anyone know of any sellers etc that do aftermarket delids?

 

@Mr. Fox @bloodhawk @Phoenix @TBoneSan @ajc9988 +++ Have you seen similar BS before?

Bigger BS than this is a long time since I've seen. Be my guest. Do the same without delidding the processor in any of your laptops. Thanks.


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LOL WHAT ?

Do this in a laptop without a delidded processor and then maybe we can revisit the rest of your comment, in the mean time please stop spreading mis information. If you are unconfortable doing it, and really would like to hang on to the warranty, sure that is your choice. Dont diss something off just because you lack the proper skills or knowledge. -



@Tony Palmer -

Please do not take what he has stated seriously. As for your heat sink not making proper contact issue. First step would be to make sure that the heat sink sits flat with or without the thermal pads. Once that is established, reduce the thickness of the pads as recommended earlier in the thread.

 

Delidding is the single most effective method of dropping temps lol. We're talking 10-15C for the 6700K and up to 20C on the 7700K.

 

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Are you silly, a troll, or just really really really really really ignorant?

You say delidding does nothing, but it made a 20c drop difference for me and was the difference between using my notebook at stock settings and not. And this is before any other form of cooling modifications.

And you can find many others here who will reiterate the same thing.

AND, buying machines with LGA CPUs in them from HIDevolution or OBSIDIAN-PC already has them coming delidded... what is this "warranty issue" here?

 

As already stated, I've never done it myself on a notebook but on a desktop, hence from my experience on a Desktop it does indeed do quite a lot. I know of 2 Users who delidded their desktop CPU in their clevo Notebook and according to both of them it did almost nothing.

Now that I've had the conversation with Adbear it's pretty clear that the both users probably did something wrong, probably didn't add new coolerpaste of something similair, hence I was wrong, which has thankfully been clearified by Adbear.

So kids, please calm down, no need to beat a dead horse. I'm aware you need attention but it only makes you look really stupid.

 

Rather not say something stupid like - "Its an airflow issue" without knowing what is going on, than making random comments.

 

You posted... 4-5-6 or even more post with same claims. I undestand why people here react to such heavy statements. And your response?