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    Delidding 6700k

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Tony Palmer, Mar 29, 2017.

  1. Tony Palmer

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    You guys are really worrying me now. My paste job was so thin it barely covered the dies and basically didn't even get fully to the edge. Any excess metal I brushed onto the copper heatsink. Barely had enough to be honest but I'm now worried cos I used it on the CPU and GPU. I did it Sunday and have been using it without issue but I'm worried and very tempted to open it and remove the LM and put GC extreme back in.
     
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    Both my chips looked like this if not a thinner application. It was literally brushing away if I tried to spread it any more.
     
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    If its super thin, then you should be ok. Did you cover the surrounding areas?
     
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    During the application I used electrical tape around both chips. There were no blobs of excess or run off so I removed the tape. I'm seriously regretting that now. As I said earlier I'm torn between waiting for my Rockit tool and delidding and then reapplying all the LM but leaving the tape as an extra cautionary measure. Or just opening it up and removing it for GC extreme until the tool arrives. I chose CLU over CL pro and conductonaut because people said it was less viscous and less prone to running off the chips themselves. Laptop is running great atm low 30's browsinh and watching movies. Not getting above 80degrees on benchmark. I'm undervolted and core is set to 4ghz. GPU is running hotter as standard but under load cooler which is strange. Figured it was just pascal chips in general
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Or put it the other way... Open up, don't touch liquid metal but put on tape. Then you can see how your application was, and same time get peace of mind.
     
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    As long as you don't overpaste it should be fine. I've been running mine for months with LM on both the CPU and GPU and not had any issues, and my system gets moved from home to work and various other places every day and I don't have any tape around the areas to keep the LM in. As long as you don't use too much it's not really possible for it to 'flow' out as there's nothing left to flow out
     
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    Till the time there isnt excess and you dont throw your laptopn onto the bed like i did, you should be good :p
    But next time you open it up, tape the surrounding it areas.
     
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  8. Tony Palmer

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    Yeah thanks guys I'll do that when I get some time I'll open up check for leakage and if it looks OK tape the area back up for peace of mind. I'll be taking lots of pictures when I do the delid and repastes so I'll be looking to you guys for advice and support. Scored a 17500 on firestrike after applying LM so I really do believe in its use over thermal paste. For my delid will LM on the inside need taping up around the chip? I plan on using so little that it barely covers the chip anyway and a small amount on the inside of the IHS hoping they go back together and make a better connection tbh.
     
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  10. Tony Palmer

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    Just that spot needs protection? a little square of tape sufficient?
     
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    :vbthumbsup: :bigyes:
     
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    That and only using a very small amount. The contact with the IHS should be REALLY good.
     
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  13. Tony Palmer

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    Still awaiting Delid tool
     
  14. Tony Palmer

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    Hi all, so my delid/relid kit came today. Still awaiting some CLU I ordered. I'm going to post some pictures of the process once the material arrives. Been slow posting and updating due to the birth of my son :D
     
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    Congratulations :)
     
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    Thank you. Hoping my CLU arrives after the weekend and the boy let's me have an hour to do it :)
     
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    At least for the moment you wont have to worry about them crawling and finding anything like that, but it wont be long :D
     
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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Tony, thermal pads wise look for Phobya XT pads on eBay... A German seller sells them and they're good too... Prices and shipping is very reasonable...

    One of the listings is below..

    http://www.ebay.de/itm/121159895984

    From what I remember he also has alphacool pads!

    Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk
     
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    The XT pads are quite firm and not very sticky so you have to be very precise for fit and placement.
     
  20. Tony Palmer

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    Thanks for the info on the pads guys. My CLU arrived today. I'm just waiting for some time to do benches and take some pictures of the system before it is delidded so I can take more after and see if theres a noticeable difference. Hoping to get it done this weekend. Going to leave the pads for now so they don't affect testing.
     
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    I am hoping bitspower get their aftermarket IHS in soon as I want to give it a try :)
     
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    You can just go ahead and place the order. Once you get the confirmation email, either email them with the details asking for the payment info using the contact us link, or wait for their email. Sometimes their emails goto the spam folder for some reason.
     
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    Yeah I noticed that too, I already did place the order and have sent payment :)
     
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    Raaaaage

    This cost me 3 days.
     
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    Noob.
     
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    3k player
     
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    Just masquerading in that bracket.
     
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  29. Tony Palmer

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    idle temps before.png temps aida64 before2.png Well I finally found time to get a few things done. Namely take a few screens of the system at idle running the obsidian update app and Throttlestop settings 1.0.5 for all tests. Ran Aida64 for the cpu. Ignore the short runs I did run the aida64 test for around 10-20mins each time. Then forget closed without screening it and have to re-run :(

    Now I've opened the computer and delidded the cpu using the kit. I've applied my CLU to the chip and the inside of the IHS. I've put the chip back in without sealing it however for now to test it first. It's locked in place nicely seems ok as I'm on said laptop now typing this.

    Here are the temps for afterwards. aida64 after temps.png

    As you can see they were all ran on f1 fans for testing idle and aida64. I'm going to run a firestrike now and see if there is any difference,

    I also used tape around the GPU this time as an extra precaution. I haven't screened it but in the tests using GPU on aida64 the temp never went above 37 degrees I'll see the temps after firestrike

    here are a few more pics I took sorry about quality
    http://imgur.com/a/zPxgU
     

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    I was looking at replacing my pads with these. Do you know what thicknesses I should buy?
     
  31. Meaker@Sager

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    Thickness and pad layout varies by model.
     
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    Well as you can see from my signature I have a P775DM3-G

    They seem to make 0.5mm and 1.5mm, so I suppose I could just get both and stack if I need anything in between
     
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    Your signature was not showing when I asked :)

    The general rule is to try 0.5mm off the stock pads all around the heatsink. You are working with your individual heatsink variations at this point however.
     
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    Not sure why my signature wasn't showing. I haven't changed it
     
  35. Tony Palmer

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    Hi all,

    Well it's a few days in and I've not experienced any issues so far. I'm looking into buying an aftermarket IHS now to remove the need to reseal IHS and reduce worry about LM moving around (shouldn't but peace of mind is worth £). The biggest difference I've noticed from the delid is the temperatures under load. Playing games or running high cpu/gpu software seems to result in much lower overall temps therefore less need for the fans to really hammer in to cool down. Was playing Ghost Recon Wildlands to test it out and the difference was amazing. On ultra the fans were barely noticeable and my temps never went above 66 degrees. I have run benchmarks through 3dMark and Aida64 but to me the everyday use and gaming and work etc temps are the better indicator as I have no real interest in overclocking. Mainly running the machine as smoothly and cool as possible.

    Any tips you guys have found for further temp reduction?

    Still annoyed my seller won't release bios so I can update as I still can't setup my offset in bios still need to use a third party program which I don't want to. throttlestop is great but for just applying the offset it's a bit wasted for me. The recommended settings for obsidian also overclock my cpu which I don't want.
     
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    Throttlestop is a bit of work to set up but once you set up to load at startup with your undevolt profile and minimise its very low key. Plus it's the only one which reapplies settings on resume if you use sleep (bios won't)
     
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    Could just be the forum being a bit weird, it does that sometimes.

    As for tips in general, elevate the back of the unit a few degrees, make sure thermal pad layouts are perfect and tune the voltage for the frequency you want to hit.
     
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    I don't mind running my CPU at stock. With the previous CCC I used a -150mhz offset. I know TS lets you adjust the CPU cache as well. I do have the laptop slightly raised on the lapdesk I use. I posted a pic of my thermal pads earlier in this thread I think they look ok feel free to check for me and give an opinion.
     
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