Differences? 8800M GTX and 9800M GT

But actually can someone confirm that 9800M GT IS NOT a G94 but a refurbished G92 (96 sp- 16 ROP's) ?? because a G94 with that number of stream processor must have less ROP'S..

 

nerd fight, nerd fight, nerd fight, nerd fight .... plz someone has to know this. When we will see the 9800M GTX in SLI.

 

If you've actually clicked a couple of posts here and there you would know that there is no ETA for GTX SLI

 

Yes I ve read it but u ve always have to have some hope. Someone must know this.

 

The ETA for the 9800M GTX is August 5th 2007.

 

Yep you actually have to go back in time to get the card.

 

"Don't worry. As long as you hit that wire with the connecting hook at precisely 88mph the instant the lightning strikes the tower... everything will be fine."

 

Worst comes to worst you end up in the wild west and get to fight some cowboys and indians

 

And you might end up in the future, and the 9800 GTX Sli will be old

 

Actually, the ETA is mid to late August, 2008.

 

Any info regarding the SLI option for the GTX??

 

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There is no ETA at this time.

 

Come on Donald I havent played a video game for 4 years now. Finally my viao with integrated graphics is dying on me. I ll buy ya a 6pack. U have to know sth .... just something. Will Sager at least ever release GTX in SLI !?

 

It is like asking exactly when a baby will be born...it is just not predictable with accuracy.

Just crack another brewski and enjoy your life until it becomes available...or maybe meditate?

 

Yes sager will release one with sli once it becomes available. Clevo d900c supports sli, and sagers are built on clevo machines. hope that helps

 

yeah thats the solution I ve been using for a long time now, damm it works. But u know .... that baby will be born someday ... right? haha, no worries, dont need to reply.

 

Alright so now that you guys have argued the heck out of this debate, can we get some realistic benchies on the 9800m GT? Do you think Crysis will be able to run on High at 1680x1050? Thats something I would be pretty satisfied with. I am also going to play The Witcher but I dont think this card should have any trouble with it. Anyway, as soon as my NP5796 comes in I'll let everyone know about Crysis, unless someone does beforehand.

 

Appologies if this has already been covered but I posted the below on another thread earlier today:

"Here we go:

Base spec

Chasssis - Kobalt Mojave (M570TU)
CPU - P9500
4GB 1066Mhz RAM
320GB 7200RPM SATA
Vista Ultimate 64bit


3DMark Vantage Scores 8800M GTX

3DMark Score - P4019
GPU Score - 3718
GPU Test 1 - 10.38fps
GPU Test 2 - 11.43fps
CPU Score - 5308

3DMark Vantage Scores 9800M GT

3DMark Score - P4003
GPU Score - 3708
GPU Test 1 - 10.32fps
GPU Test 2 - 11.42fps
CPU Score - 5308

As you can see, the GTX just edges ahead but it's not exactly something you'll notice unless you have a Neo/Matrix binary brain "

 

Hey Neil you have seen both the 5793/6 can you comment on the noise, and silent mode?

 

How about 3DMark06' scores as well. This is the same config as my NP8660, so I am curious.

 

Notebookcheck has some benchmarks for 3dmark 06 if your curious. Not sure how accurate but they look right.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

 

Bottom line is, as we have been saying, there is no statistically significant difference between the 8800M GTX and the 9800M GT.

Neil's numbers show the GTX insignificantly better, and the benchmarks I posted earlier show the 9800M GT insignificantly better. You can run test after test and it will show one or the other with different, but totally insignificantly better or worse, numbers than the other one. You will also find that there will be these slight differences one way or the other depending on what application, configuration or settings you are using.

So, if the 8800M GTX will play any game well, so will the 9800M GT play it just as well.

You see, this is the epitome of the FLIP/FLOP

 

So they're probably the same card, just rebadged...

 

Hey Donald,

Do you know what kind of settings the 8800 GTX ran well on for Crysis? Since I am getting a NP5796 with a 9800m gt it should be pretty similar. Do you think High @ 1680x1050 is possible ?

 

Absolutely not....highest res you can probably get is 1440x900 with all high settings, but thats just going to barely playable.

 

LOL well thanks for shattering my hopes and dreams...it should be able to do 30 fps on high/medium @ 1680x1050 then no? God crysis is such a hog its ridiculous.

 

Go back and read my post and look at the pictures on page 17, and the rest of this thread following:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=3627932#post3627932

Bottom line is everything was on high.

 

bingo! except with a few more HD features though, so it's actually a better deal for consumers.

 

Alright well I was under the impression everything was set to Very High and 1920x1200. My mistake.

 

Have you played Crysis on your Sager notebook? What kind of settings do you use?

 

I played crysis in 1680x1050, all high, 2xAA, 30fps gun fight.

 

yea.. kinda thrown off from bwhxeon comment. seems very confident haha...
gonna take nirvana's word that its definatly playable. plus, from what i hear, thats lots of mods that improve performance while making the game look better..i think

 

wow thats good. and you actually have a slower processor than me. (not bragging just saying) i knew it was possible. thats good news to hear. do you think i would be able to max out the witcher? i heard its kind of graphics intensive too.

 

more intensive than crysis?

 

prolly not but games like World in Conflict can be very intensive, and I know the new age of conan is as well. I was just curious if anyone had played the witcher and knew how intensive it was.

But anyway, about your crysis numbers, is that a solid 30 fps? Does the game run well at those settings for you? Did you overclock anything? How good does the game look? Ive yet to see it in person.

 

yea average number

i considered 30fps "well"

it was slightly overclocked, 600/1500/950, with stock clocking, you will probably have 1-3 fps lower.

i had multiple headaches because it was too real.

 

alright well maybe i wasnt specific enough. what i mean by "well" is did you notice huge drops in framerate when you blew up a building or had multiple guys on screen? did it ever become unplayable? sorry for being a pest

 

i had stated that already, 30fps during gun fight. if just jumping around i get get much higher than that. however, there was one scene that my 8800m dropped down to 1fps.

 

alright that sounds good then. hopefully ill get similar results. thanks

 

This is a quote from Don at PowerNotebooks:

To answer the forums question, There IS NO DIFFERENCE in performance because the card IS a re branded 8800 GTX that is it.

When I received these cards they were devoid of all stickers and markings normally found on GPU's in these chassis save one, "6-31-M57RU-90" (with a sticker over the final digit that said "1"). I thought to myself, "that's weird, but it's probably just the same heatsink casing."

I took the actual card out of it's heatsink casing and found a serial number sticker which below the bar code was printed, " GeForce 8800 M GTX", on the underside of the card was another sticker, "M57TU NB8E - GTX 512M".

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I don't think we have anyone arguing with that, do we? btw i just checked out M570TU on your site, "Turbo Boost Button" for P and T CPU, is that a software boost like setFSB or hardware boost (this would be amazing)?

 

It might save some people some time of going through all these performance benchmarks and running around in circles comparing an 8800GTX to a 9800 GT. Maybe these other retailers just didn't know what was under the hood. I don't know. To call an 8800 GTX a 9800 GT, in the desktop world there is an actual difference. Notebooks, it is name alone. It's awesome that the price came down on the 8800 GTX/9800GT, but when you look at how much they are proposing to charge for what is essentially a 512 MB upgrade to the "GTX" version... that's gouging (IMHO).

Software. I wanted to take advantage of our unlocked CPU's so everyone could get performance improvements without having to shell out for Extreme chips. I was also looking ahead to the quad-core CPU's. I mean, who DOESN'T want to overclock if it's easy right? The quad core's are just dying to be overclocked.

Right click it in the system tray and it on the fly overclocks the system. You can set a "user defined" and a "Turbo" setting. Say you want the "Turbo" crazy speeds and want "user defined" maybe even less than stock clocks for in class, meetings or whatever.

One of the best things that came out of the Boost Button research was that in cranking the x9000 to crazy levels (TechWareLabs reportedly beat a 2.8 Ghz x9000 to 3.7 Ghz - I've [cough] yet to see the review!) we addressed the limitations of the thermal barrier inside the notebook with a modification of the Northbridge chipset heatsink and a custom notebook cooler that mates up to the heatsink mods both inside and on the bottom of the case. The notebook cooler is 1/8" all aluminum with four Vantec Stealth fans (3 sixties and 1 eighty) powered by a wall socket so it doesn't pull power from your system (like USB models do). It allows you to leave nothing on the table in terms of how much performance you can wring out of the system.

Overclocking the CPU is all well and good, but the 80mm Stealth sits directly under the GPU heatsink mods on the 8800GTX/9800GT, and we all know that OC'ing the GPU is where you are going to get the real gaming performance.

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Woah, wait... Unlocked CPU's?

 

So... your cpus such as the p9500 is unlocked, while others aren't?

 

Wintersdark & sujinge9... you're about to open up a tirade on "illegal" cpu's from the peanut gallery. But, in a nutshell [pun intended] there several different "grades" of CPU:

>Retail CPU - Most common and found at places like NewEgg (readily available)
>Marketing Sample - These usually have a nice looking company logo and/or product (family) name. Marketing samples don't have any specific information about the chip - speed, voltage, etc.
>Mechanical Samples - Marked "mech sample" or "mechanical sample".
>Engineering Samples - Engineering sample processors are designed and built like normal processors, but offer additional features for testing purposes. That is right from Intel's page.
>Military Spec - Grade: Extreme - Processors designed for the military in use in mission critical and harsh environments.

Processors that are retail are locked meaning they have a fixed clock multiplier. (sujinge9, the P and T series are normally locked, yes. By request we can supply you with unlocked processors) The retail processors with unlocked multipliers are of course known as "extreme edition" processors ("X" and "QX" denote extreme's). Their clock multipliers can be increased in the BIOS, the drawback being cost.

Every other processor on the above list (below retail) is unlocked, one of their "additional features." Most of the fastest overclocked systems out there use engineering sample processors. They are sent out by Intel to demonstrate their prowess and abilities in independent testing among other things, so they are the best you can get your hands on as a mere mortal.

If you want extreme, you're probably not going to be able to go to the store and find that exists... in anything other than marketing. Anyone can go to NewEgg and order that themselves. On the other hand, having the contacts and getting your hands on the good stuff so you can get as close to the edge as you're gonna get. For that you have to know how to improve and modify, design and fab... this is the hot rodding... this is where real custom meets real performance.

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Isn't there anything wrong or slightly "illegal" with taking an existing product, sticking it in a new box with a new name and then charging more for it?

 

Isn't that what's known as re-branding, or just plain ole marketing?

 

Dell did this with the 7950 GTX.
7950's were factory overclocked 7900's. That was the only difference.
DELL had heat issues, took 7950's, clocked them back down to 7900 levels (follow me???) then sold them as 7950's.
How THAT is not fraud is beyond me.

 

The 9800M GT does not cost more

 

not really.
nvidia did it with the 8800gs and turned it into a 9600gso