Differences? 8800M GTX and 9800M GT

well def makes me feel better about my 8800gtx's then, though i wish now i had 9800gtx's instead lol....the dell i have will do for now then ill prob upgrade when the sli 9800's are out or just wait.. i dont know lol

 

z, how much your m1730 cost you?

 

2500$ shipped with everything as stated in my sig, i so wanted a 9262 but just could not afford one with dual 8800's and had i know the prices would drop as much as they did a week sooner i def would own a sager 9262 right now and not a dell 1730 though i honestly can say the dell is very well built and is really overall a very nice machine but my heart was with the 9262

 

While I don't like what they've done with the 9800GT, I know they're doing it to keep the price of it up, and therefore their margins. If they kept only offering the 8800GTX over and over again, the credibility behind the price would fall and demand/hype would go elsewhere. At least I think that's how they see it.

 

Hi

I've seen some of your HS mods before, look quite interesting and you seem to be getting good results.

I take it by the above that you aren't actually selling engineering samples to the public

 

thats very interesting, i always thought the ES' were the bottom of the barrel. thanks for the info

 

Actually, the 9800M GT is about $200 lower than the 8800M GTX was.

 

That is the one really good thing. The price of the 8800 GTX / 9800 GT just dropped like a stone.

To Neil@Kobalt, I may have one x9000 ES chip laying around somewhere that could have a new home.

Correction: Two

 

dude theres no way that m1730 cost you 2500 unless you work for dell and get a huge discount or got it stolen. the M1730 starts at 2000 and the dual 8800 gtx in sli cost another 1000 so i call bs.

actually just built it on dells website for fun and with all those specs its about 3900

 

Hey Neil, I went to your site. Pretty nice. We get a lot of business from overseas because of the weak dollar. Who do you get your chassis from, Rock Direct?

 

9800m GT is indeed a rebranded 8800m GTX, exact same clocks 500/1250/800 and 96 SP´s. 9800 GTS though has 600/1500/800 and 64 SP´s. Check my list I made in the gaming forum here on notebookreview.

 

You must not read the forums a lot. Several m1730's have been sold for that price range on here.

 

Well if you have two laying around then feel free to send one over

Cheers for the comment on the site - we try to update it every 6 months or so just to keep it fresh, just takes a while as we do everything in house.

Nope we don't buy from Rock Direct, just as well as when they went bust we would have been in trouble too supply wise. We split our supply between direct with Clevo UK and another supplier outside the UK but we don't resell systems, we build everything individually ourselves

 

how is that possible?

have they had one day blowout sales?

the laptop he has there is a $3900 build on dell.com. So Im curious where you would get it from.

 

There really isn't much point in him lying about it is there? Give me a minute to find a post or two.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=240966
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=270562

One of those is in fact still for sale, so instead of calling BS, you could buy that.

 

sure did cost me that much. they can be found dirt cheap now if you look around, mine has 4 year warranty and all on it, go to the dell outlet they sell certified refurbs on there and they are basically brand new when you get them maybe even sent back before they were ever opened up

 

Mark, I understand what you saying (someone showed me your posts at guruofgaming.com last night). Thing is tho, compare to other laptops I have (I've owned/used every flagships from majority brands if not all), Sager built my 5793 just fine, I don't see the necessaries of why resellers like xoticPC or PNB should rebuild my system. Anyhow, I have to admit that your heatsink modification looked very tempting to me.

 

Guys, please keep the flame comments to a minimum. Thanks.

 

Alright first off I apologize I didnt know it was a used laptop. Those are discounted ALOT and I am surprised they would discount them that much but ok.

Alright yes obviously I am new jeesh. Obviously have alot to learn about finding good deals on this stuff. I apologize for being a noob.

Again, zfactor I apologize for callling BS i obviously thought you meant a new Dell XPS M1730. I dunno some people just lie about prices sometimes, not saying your a liar obviously, but I just saw that price and was dumbfounded. Next time I buy a notebook Ill have to look at the refurbished dells.

 

Are these 2 cards good for playing games?

 

Julian018... they are very capable gaming cards. I personally feel the best out there in the notebook arena. I've seen low to mid mid nine's (9358) 3D06 Marks with a single card and a good CPU on mainstream systems. This is an image from XoticPC's 5793 review

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Below is an Executioner SRX with Vista 64 and Boosted x9000 CPU getting almost mid-ten's (10,334). If you notice, I highlighted that this was ten consecutive runs or about 3 hours straight, which is as close to real gaming experience as a test can be.That is without GPU over clocking so 11,000+ is right there if you want to work at it and have the proper cooling!. DO NOT OVER CLOCK YOUR GPU'S WITHOUT PROPER COOLING nVIDIA IS JUST DYING TO NOT WARRANTY YOUR CARD AND O.C.'ing IT (and them finding out) WILL DO IT! Very much, Good for games and the stock cards have upside too!

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The newer Penryns like the T9600 and x9100 will be equivalent or better. CPU's aren't bottlenecking the GPU's to any significant point any more. That means WE NEED MORE GPU nVidia!!!

I also wanted to add that the OS (read drivers) have a real impact on performance too. This is an image from the exact same system as above, but instead of Vista 64 it is XP Pro. Obviously XP can only utilize 3 of the 4 GB of RAM because it was the 32 bit version (see SYSTEM section of image). Even with less ram, the score is 400 points higher. You will also note the CPU in both cases is nearly the exact same clocks:

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Again, keep it down...flame to a minimum before we pull out the fire extinguishers.

 

I must say I like your custom cooling mods KillerNotebooks. It is exactly things like these we need to keep the temps down. I think you have by far the most impressive cooling out there. If more notebook distributors would follow you we would have had higher clocks on the GPU´s alone

 

Just out of curiosity, if you use a GPU overclocking tool to UNDERCLOCK your GPU, and dont overclock it, can you still have your warranty voided just for having the software on it?

 

No, as long as their isnt any damage.

 

Thanks Magnus. The addition of the custom built notebook cooler really allowed systems to be pushed much farther and tied the last 3 years of work in the heat sink field together.

To give you an idea it pushes about 24 CFM ( each to the two 60 mm's) on the stock CPU & GPU, 24 CFM (60mm) to the NorthBridge chipset heatsink mod and 27 CFM (80mm) to the GPU heatsink mod. That's desktop level cooling to notebook components. We really wanted a RAM AIR effect going on.

In utilizing the Stealth fans, we not only got to spend more money but got about the same sound levels as the notebook fans on high. The goal was not increasing that pesky noise factor.

NCG1589: Our Boost Button overclocks the CPU, I wish it did the GPU also, but it does not. I have not seen the 8800 software over clockable. I know there are a lot of software tools out there, but I would go old school and go straight to the BIOS.

Here is my take on the nVidia and OC'ing or U.C.'ing, if nVidia gets that card and the BIOS, whether it be clocks or other tweaks, do not match up with stock they are going to call shenanigans and not warranty the card. That's a guess, but an educated one
If you use a software based OC method you are much safer because it is not going to leave the "fingerprints" of over clocking (like mod's of the BIOS will). If you're going to hack the BIOS make sure you keep a copy of the original so unless the card completely fries out you can flash it back.

FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. I AM NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD O.C. YOUR GPU!

 

Alright, thanks alot

 

Sounds really good Killernotebooks. Do you ship to Sweden too? I think my next notebook will probably be one of yours. I am myself an avid overclocker, can´t help it But with your level of cooling I have to worry less about heat.

 

Is this 35w for 8800GTX to 65w/75w for 9xxxm series for real?

Surely it can't just be a rebrand of 8800 GTX to 9800 GT?

Will a 9800m GTX SLI notebook come with it's own built in nuclear generator, or just expect that the battery to last a matter of minutes?

Worth paying the extra for 8800 GTX over 9800 GT for this only major difference?

Cheers

 

Guys:

Please keep the language clean - just report any posts you don't like and a moderator will take care of them ASAP.

 

About killernotebooks overclock button, 99% sure its actually using a version of setfsb to overclock a non-extreme cpu. Which actually makes the entire system run faster, including the graphics card. Overclocking the cpu alone doesn't net you a 11,000 score in 3dmark. I know because it doesn't happen with my x9100 and I know setfsb can't get a non-extreme cpu to 3.2ghz.

 

^^^he stated that's software boost 2 days ago.

 

I don't get it, so he's saying it is boosting the fsb and also saying it doesn't overclock the gpu? Or is his mod like what MSI uses?

 

not sure if you read this

 

To quote from a post a few pages up:

 

Nirvana that still makes no sense to me.....so its software overclocking the fsb which is increasing the speed of the entire system. His turbo button program even shows pictures of the fsb tool. It looks like its just a pretty setfsb tool. As for using cpu's that are not extreme cpu's and have a unlocked multiplier how is that even possible? Engineering samples? If they are isn't that illegal to be selling them?

 

Well, it's gotten pretty confusing because many posts are being deleted and I don't know why.

Magnus asked me if I shipped to Sweden and I had simply posted a list of the 15 or so countries that have Killer Notebooks in them and the order of volume in which they purchased. Obviously someone did like that and it was deleted. Yet other retailers can post that they ship all over the world just minutes later in another thread and that's fine.

I'm at a loss here. I would like to contribute, but at the same time, I can't keep up with what is actually "still there" and what isn't. I can't re-read page after page of post over and over to see what this half or that half of the people have been allowed to see.

 

Oh? I wouldn't be surprised if some could.

My T9300 is pretty stable at 3ghz if I leave it's voltage at stock. It wouldn't surprise me if some managed to get theirs higher. If I could up the voltage a smidge, I'd be set.

An 11,000 score in 3Dmark should be doable with that, too. I get 10620 with my CPU at 2.9 and my gpu at stock clocks. 3dmark06 is highly cpu dependent at basic settings. I actually get higher marks with my CPU at 2.9 than I do with my gpu clocks at 650/1500/965.

So, stock clocks, 2.9ghz cpu through SetFSB at 10620. 380 3dmarks more? That's not a big move. Compare, if you will, to my standard cpu oc at 2.8ghz (lets me run at a lower voltage) - 10279. That's a 341 point gain over 100mhz.

 

You've completely missed my whole point....setfsb makes the entire system run faster not just the cpu. That's why 3dmark scores improve so much compared to just overclocking the gpu. Set fsb makes everything run faster including the "GPU" Hence you are forcing the gpu to run overclocked. Thats why you can't use setfsb and overclock the gpu with ntune or other overclock programs at the same time.

 

I agree that O.C.'ing the CPU from 2.8 to 3.2 would probably not get you the 3D06 scores you desire with an 8800/9800 card. We do a lot of OS and driver tweaks to get it where we want it.

About the second part though, don't forget that the T9600 is not an extreme processor but it is 2.8 Ghz, same as the x9000 used in the tests. I don't see why that couldn't go to 3.2 Ghz / 14% O.C.

I haven't used SETfsb in a while so I can't comment exactly on how that works. With the Boost Button you can set the bus speed vs. the PCI & PCIe bus speeds seperately.

Unless I have missed some part of what you're trying to do with the O.C.'ing of the CPU and GPU, I am confused.

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that's interesting to know.

 

Yea, it's a pretty neat features on newer Executioners.

 

Nirvana, I sent you a PM with my email. I have done extensive testing with O.C.'ing the old chassis you have and can supply you with my testing spreadsheet and results that may help your O.C.'ing endeavors (as well as other goodies).

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I dont see the big deal with this boost. I figure its easier and less hassle to pay $1249, plus get a FREE Copy of any game (I ordered Call of Duty World at War) and get a Gateway P7811FX, not quite as good as killers 2-3 Grand Lappy but so?

Intels latest Centrino 2 Core 2 2.26 Ghz CPU
4 Gigs DDR3 1066MHZ Ram
Nvidia 9800M GTS 512 Meg
200 Gig 7200RPM SATA
Extra Hard Drive Bay
Firewire
ESATA
HDMI
17 Inch LCD 1920x120 Resolution
Full Keyboard with full Numpad
3 USB
5 in 1 media reader
Dual Layer DVDRW
Vista Home Premium 64 BIT w SP1

An awesome machine for the money.... !!!

I just got it and loaded COD4, set it up for 1920x1200 maxed all settings and it sits at 40FPS or so. Not to shabby in my book. I think i am going to take off AA since I am running such a high res and that should add 10-20 FPS I am guessing...

Oh and I have a rewardzone so I get 30$ back to put towards something else.
I just dont see the reason to spend 2-3 or even 4 THOUSAND on a laptop. Get a great bang for the buck and in a year or two get the latest and greatest since they change so fast... I sold my year old Gateway P6831FX for $1100 so I paid a couple hundred to get a brand new latest and greatest. Sweet....

 

The 8800M GTX and 9800m GT are exactly the same.

The 9800m gt has 96 shaders not 64 shaders!

 

ok lets celebrate...

 

I’m so glad that you are excited about your purchase, and that is what counts!

There is some useful stuff in this thread, so +rep for bumping it.

 

I've call'd dell eveyday for 2 months now, Biatching to them about the crappy overpriced 8700's they sold me with the m1730. Finally, after replacing the mobo once and the crappy-cards three times (!!1!) they decided to send me a brand new one with T9300 and either M8800gtxSLI or M9800GTsli - and after reading this entire thread ( i wanted to make sure to know all the aspects of either card before deciding, dont wanna end up with a bad card...again ) i've landed on the 9800m GT sli setup. Is there any reason to why i should pick the 8800gtx? Would appreciate a fast reply as im ordering the rig tomorrow
Thanks for a great forum!

-Anders

 

No reason to get the 8800

 

It's the same...just for "cooler naming" I would stick for 9800M GTs..
did they do this for free??