Eurocom P150HM Racer w/ AMD 6970m out Feb 1

Wow. Thx for the info Justin. That's too bad to hear because i was hoping to buy very soon. This also makes me very skeptical of Eurocom's configurator listing the 6970m only $66 above the 460m.

If the price is more than what Eurocom is quoting then the wait for the 6970 won't seem quite as worth it to me.

@Justin, if i bought a Sager NP8150 today with a 2720 and 485 when would my ship date be? (credit purchase).

 

Please PM me your questions and I would be happy to answer any questions you have.

 

So is Eurocom trying to pull a fast one by saying its going to be out Feb 1? I don't know why they would release a laptop saying its going to have the 6970m available when it is not.

 

Everything speculative is leaked by eurocom ahead of confirmation - availability, pricing, etc.

It's the fudzilla of OEMs.

Failing negligence it must be conspiracy - they're doing it deliberately because they want preorders.

 

well they almost got a preorder from me until Justin from Xoticpc set things straight on the current plan from AMD lol

 

Thanks Justin but is it possible to get some information on the stock CPU? The EUROCOM comes with Intel i7 2720QM as stock. Will it be the same for the updated version?

Thank you

 

I'm pretty impressed that the Eurocom can hold up to 32gb ram. There are not many laptops on the market that have that much power. I'm really tempted to do a preorder. There has to be something to this early info leakage. If they are willing to blantantly lie so they could get preorders and cannot live up to expectations, in the end they are just screwing themselves.

 

Thanks for the info ..

I used to thought its because NVIDIA just downright greedy to the very core

 

You've never heard of Eurocom before?

 

Just review the first sticky in this forum.

But yeah, someday I will probably buy a computer from this company.

:/)

 

well if its really that powerful then i hope gtx 460m should be replaced with 470m as a base gpu in p170m

 

Notebookcheck indicated that Eurocom might expand to the EU, would be their worst move ever, with those tactics they will be sued into oblivion.

 

It allready has an office in czech republic. Called GoldMax
Goldmax Laptops - Konfigurovatelné mobilní pracovní stanice a výkonné herní notebooky Eurocom Desktop Replacement

But prices are prohibitive last time i checked.

 

you mean http://www.goldmax.cz/goldmax_notebook_konfigurace_cougar_gaming/ they already offer HD 6970 in W860CU and other laptops as Eurocom does offer. From what I know they also sell in Slovakia where I am from.

 

I think the reason why GPU is late for p150hm's lineup is:

GPU memory delay in Taiwan OEM factory.

2010-02 launch the 6970 and the other choice : such as 485m.

Very confused to see this result , because 22nm IB platform's debut will soon.

 

How soon do you think? I heard Q2 at the earliest but when Sandy Bridge was available on Jan. 9 it will be months until there are a good variety of SB laptops to choose from.

Will the Ivy Bridge result in a thinner, lighter chassis with better battery life?

 

Rumor has it IB will be out Q3/A4 this year. I just can't see Intel releasing it any time before that due to stock. Smart thing to do is to get rid of as much SB stock then release IB.

 

Looks like the 6970 is going to be out regardless of Sager's statements.

 

wouldn't bet my life on what eurocom are saying they can be quite deceptive to say the least.

 

Hello,

now the test is available in English, if you had any problems with translating:
Review AMD Radeon HD 6970M Graphics Card - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

 

That 6970M is looking quite impressive. No doubt AMD have another mobile winner on their hands with this card, especially with the price compared to the 485M.

 

lol lets face it. the 6970 is a more poweful card. im waiting for this in a 15" maybe sager or asus cos they have good cooling and low sound emission

 

Yeah, I'm glad I never rushed into buying a laptop last week and cancelled my order as there seems to be a lot happening in Feb & March.

 

Look I have to vent about little red, I always cheer for red, but I swear the last...4 years I guess, I happen to have the green team's cards in either my desktop, or my laptop. The fact that this card didn't launch with the 8170/8150 line is a huge flaw in ATI's mobile business model, and just kills them as a company. Now I don't claim to know anything about why this happened, I'm not an ATI employee, but a consumer who wants competition to drive prices where they belong. It's just unacceptable, and look at the damn drop down for VGA in every laptop right now...Nvidia Nvidia Nvidia, it's this reason why we get reemed every year on mobile video cards until ATI can get their card into a laptop 2 months late. Now when ATI gets one in, the prices go down, and they always end up being great cards. Whatever Nvidia does to arrive at the party early ( or on time? ) just humiliates ATI every single mobile launch it seems. I just hate seeing that drop down list like that, it just invites markups of 100% right off the git-go every time.

I really hope what you guys are hearing is right about the card coming out here at the beginning of the month. Now from what the resellers ( Eurocom lol ) are listing for price ( which im sure is BS ) it looks like one 6970 is $270 compared to $495 for the GTX485 above the 470m as the standard GPU. Could be semi-accurate, if true Nvidia will do a double take for sure on this one.

If the 6970 is in the 7280 or 8170 dropdown by....Febuary 15th, I'll get a pair, but if not...ack.

 

I feel your pain, Brian, believe me. ATI/AMD have been late to the party since the Mobility 3870 was canceled for the M860TU and M570TU, messing up peoples orders and forcing them into the 9800M GT. As much hate as Nvidia gets for pricing, at least you can count on them to try to release two series of mobile chips a year.

And it's always a delay blamed on "debugging". What?

 

Well, that's not really true. AMD won with the Mobility Radeon HD 5870. Nvidia had nothing to compete with this card for a long time and the GTX 480M was a complete failure. But I also don't understand why it takes AMD so long to release the HD 6970M, the HD 6850 has been available for months. Would they have placed the HD 6970M on the market in December, Nvidia would have been forced to make the GTX 485M a lot cheaper to compete. Maybe that was the problem? Clevo is leaning towards Nvidia (no official support for Mobility Radeon HD 5870 in the X7200!?). I know this is a long shot, but Nvidia is very well connected, it would only be natural to try to keep competition out. The whole pricing in the mobile sector basically calls for a closer inspection.

I don't have a problem with very expensive cards coming from Nvidia. Their top-notch desktop cards are also overpriced, but they deliver amazing performing for a single GPU. The problem ist, that they use the same concept for their mobile cards. Their top of the line mobile GPU is totally overpriced, but the problem is, that it's just mid-line desktop GPU and while it still delivers very good performance, it should be priced accordingly.

 

Truth being told, yes, I think Clevo is a bit of a Nvidia lover. Shame... that's why I never got the 4870M in my laptop .

 

That's pretty much the reason TBH. I mean, why else would they not have the 6970 out when Dell was showing it off months ago (though one could argue why it isn't being sold in the new M17x yet)? Remember why Clevo never had a 4870/4850 (M98) in their notebooks while other manufactures (i.e. Asus, MSI, Dell/Alienware, HP) did? Their excuse was that they were debugging the card. Since the GTX 280M/285M performed similarly to the 4870, they had no need to really focus on the ATi cards. However, because nVidia didn't have anything to compete with the 5870s, Clevo took little time to shoe-in that card in at least three of their systems. I'm sure if the GTX 480M was available around the same time as the 5870s were, we wouldn't be hearing too much about 5870s being sold in Clevo systems.

Now we have a similar situation with the 4870s in the 6970M and the GTX 485M. However, I think it'll be a bit different this time because there'll be a higher demand for a 6970M in a Clevo system than there was for a 4870 in such a system back then, with pricing mostly being the cause if it. This is NOT to say that there wouldn't be a demand for the 485M once the 6970M comes out or that the demand for the latter will be higher than th former.

But yeah, Clevo does have a preference for nVidia, which makes sense because nVidia pretty much established MXM and Clevo is usually the first to come up with updates on that platform (i.e. MXM 3.0, 100W/TDP MXM system and cooling). It's also not a bad thing at all despite my suggestions written above.

 

AMD hasn't given them to Dell or Clevo yet, at least not in quantity for sales.

 

i really hope the price is 300 to 400 then gtx 470m / gtx 485 price will drop and i will get one 470m

 

Get ready for some disappointment if you believe Nvidia will drop prices on mobile parts just because AMD has something that performs better while being cheaper. There are two things they could do though: Release a cheap 336 shader GF114 with high clock rates to counter the HD 6970M or release a 384 GF114 with higher clocks than the GTX 485M. However, there is no need for this, I'm sure enough ppl buy the GTX 485M as it it... remember, enough ppl bought the GTX 480M although everybody with a brain was basically crying out not to do so.

 

I just want some release dates for the 6970, does anyone have one?

 

Early accounts said the beginning of March, and recent updates back that up pretty well.

Exact.

I do expect 580M to be GF114; only slightly faster, but a couple hundred cheaper than the 485M.

 

The next month waiting it out should be OK and nobody is gonna die right now if they can't have the latest tech and money is no object.

 

seeing that 6970m vantage gpu score just 4% slower than 485m and the price maybe half of 485m?........im about to jump to AMD
but after checked out the game performance list i feel very dissapointed
even the amd dirt 2
485m 160 139 124 70
6970m 95 94 73 48
though i know the cpu used was different and the driver might not ready yet

 

Mods should close this thread on February 2nd.

 

add the fact that it was also an engineering sample.

 

LMAO, a good one!

 

Judging from GTX 560 Ti clocks, I'd say it's pretty safe to assume that the GTX 485M is really based on GF104, otherwise they could have gone with much higher clocks (like 675MHz on core) as GF114 is much more efficient.

Why would Nvidia make the GTX 580M cheaper? There is no need for this. They'd have a card that is about 20% faster than the HD 6970M and if you want this kind of performance gain, you need to pay their usual premium. What they could do though is introduce a 336 shader chip based on GF114 (there are bound to be some lesser chips that cannot use all shader units), this GTX 570M would be on par with a GTX 485M but could be priced much cheaper. The name GTX 560 Ti also implies that there will be a GTX 560 SE or whatever, maybe 336 shader to replace the GTX 460 (the GTX 560 Ti replaces the GTX 470 not the GTX 460). So that card could then be brought to notebooks, actually it seems quite plausible that we will see a 336 shader GTX 570M in the near future.

 

To be fair Dirt 2 runs far better on Nvidia cards anyway and it was an engineering sample.

 

i see gtx 485m only wins in dirt 2 nfs shift cod mw2 and cod black ops by huge margins i dunno why i think amd will fix the drivers.

point to be noted is its using i7 740qm where as gtx 485m used i7 2920xm for other games it s only 5 to 8 fps behind and beats 485m in some games

i would like see some benches on hawx 2 avp just cause 2 stalker cop nfs hp 2k10 and f1 2010 and lost planet 2 bench

 

It's strange - you can't configure 6970m in their configuator anymore.

 

Probably because they never had it to begin with. They used it for a lot of free press imo. This thread is a perfect example

 

Like Kevin said, this thread should be closed tomorrow.

 

I have to give them a credit for the preview of the 6970m

 

Multicom (a Norwegian reseller) is offering P150 and P170 with the 6970:
MULTICOM / Systemkonfigurator

It's 1400 NOK more than the 460m, which is about 240 USD (though theNOK is quites strong now)

Compared to the 485m it's about 380 USD cheaper.

On a side note, Multicom is also offering Intel WiDi and has confirmed to a member of this forum that their notebooks support Optimus technology

 

sweet laptop, I really am in love with this design and laptop. Makes me real happy!

 

If Multicom has Optimus, every other Clevo seller does as well. Resellers can't just magically offer features no one else can, as they aren't involved in the hardware or software development.

How could it be possible?

 

that sounds about right - the UK Alienware site has the 6970 for the equiv of $200 US more than the 460m.

That's probably what I will get.

 

It seems very strange and unlikely.

Here is the original post with quotes from the reseller. As a norwegian I can say that nothing is lost in the translation.

If this were to be true it would be amazing. However, I don't see how it could be possible.