Feedback to Clevo R&D Team: What's missing or broken in your Skylake laptops?

Do you need help or assistance installing Windows 7 on one?

 

Not yet as I am deciding between getting a Skylake laptop now or more waiting (and getting a PC instead); I want to see if there are any problems e.t.c. before deciding and committing to it

 

Windows 7 won't be supported at all in 7xxx laptops tho... Only windows 10 official support, which sounds kinda awful...

In another order of thoughts, some people do run windows 7, but I don't as some of the software I use runs better on windows 10.

 

This is what I realised too (too late in fact); this is why I need to decide fast

PS: Just wondering, what software that you use works better on Windows 10?

 

Adobe entire suite, AE, PS, Premiere, izotope ozone, steam and games (some work better on w10 or at least they seem to), and a few other specific software

To be honest, windows 7 was ok for the years I've used it, but windows 10 feels... Well it doesn't feel more stable, but faster.

 

Thanks for the confirm since I am using Adobe stuff too

Hmm. Maybe my question about Windows 7 is moot, especially with Windows 10 Enterprise and its abilities (which will bring it much closer to Windows 7's feel but with Windows 10's benefits)

 

As for me, it's already been said, but because of the noise, i just don't want to play anymore. It's a shame for a gaming laptop ( 775dm3 6700k/1070 ).
Planning on changing this laptop in a really near future, unless someone can provide a good manual fan control.

 

Use Auto and engage fans with FN+1 should do the trick

 

That's what i already do. Auto, Engage fn + 1 then disengage, but after 30 secs fans goes back to the same loud way even if my temps are awesome ( mid 50's, delid 6700K + good repast ).

 

This means that you are using some OC and the Clevo CCC is applying OC fan profile instead of Auto. It does that by default.

You need to uninstall CCC...

 

Ok i'll give a try. Thank you.
BTW, flashing bios and EC can improve fan profiles ?

 

Not really - not with the noise. But those help with performance.

I was also quite bothered by the noise before uninstalling CCC. Now it's just sweet like any laptop, but you got to ramp up fans when you do something hardcore on the CPU / GPU

 

Flashing these mostly helps with compatibility issues and bugs.

 

There is nothing broken on my Sager NP9873-S yet
But I think the power supply connector at the rear of the unit
is very weak. the cord is thick in relation to the connector.
I will hate to see it come loose and ultimately break.

 

The connector should be quite resilient!

 

I mean the plug that connect to the back of the laptop. not the one on the power supply itself.

 

Yeah I don't like Clevo's barrel connector.. Dell's one is so much better and less likely to break..

Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk

 

I actually had had one of Dell's connectors break on me so far...

I also questioned it's design but was reeassured around here that it should be quite resilient on that end too.

 

MSHybrid and multi-display support are apparently broken in the latest BIOS and/or EC in the P6XXRS line. Details here.

 

Potential buyer- could ThunderBolt 3 be added to lower end models with the GTX 1050, 1050Ti, and GTX 1060? I see appeal in the port because I could be a Sager under 2.5Kgs that's portable and have some gaming horsepower, but when I come back home, I could plug it into a 1080 with a 4K screen and go to town. Portable with the ability for expansion is something I would love to see.

As of now, only notebooks with the 1070 and 1080 which aren't really portable for students have this and I would love to see this change moving forward.

 

Possibly, as Thunderbolt 3 gains more market penetration and more devices are designed to utilize it. Whether it's implemented to provide video or not is another story (IIRC, early adopters had Thunderbolt 3 supply only data, no video signal).

 

Intel should integrate TB3 into the chipset at some point which makes it much easier to include.

 

I've found the opposite on Sager NP8268-s. Traveled with it to work every day for 1.5 years. In backpack, out to play on train (plugged in), recharged at desk, played in lunchroom, recharged, on way home, played at home. So many unplugs each day, cat chewed the end, still totally solid

 

If of any hope, there are reports of Intel baking in USB 3.1 and Wifi into the CPU (see: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/239252-intel-may-add-wifi-usb-3-1-next-generation-chipsets)

Whether this translates into TB3 also being baked in is anyone's guess

 

Well chipset integration and CPU integration are two quite different things.

 

I'd say we have to wait for Cannonlake in that case. I was hoping TB3 would be added into Kaby since it says it on Intel's original marketing docs. USB3.1 would be in the same boat but looks like they just left it as an off-board chip anyhow.

Indeed.

We may see these things in Intel's SoC's first thought, in which case they're the same

For example, Intel's new Golmont series (Apollo Lake SoCs) have USB3.1/type-C baked right in. WiFi will probably remain off-board for larger chipsets for the forseeable future as integrating it is more about saving physical space (as in phone SoCs) than saving money.

 

Oh yeah, maybe I should have phrased it a bit better. I will like to see chipset integration at least; doing this on CPU level is just too much

Yeah, this is why I decided to hold back even though my laptop seems to be dying. I hope I can last long enough...

 

I'd love a 4x CPU link as that would bypass the DMI bus, basically give the CPU an extra 4 general lanes for use with anything.

 

And this will mean a mobo + chassis redesign, which is what I wanted too

 

Well it would be a new generation due to socket changes yes.

 

Yeah, the upgrade circle goes around and around

 

I am counting on that; if it is still LGA 1151, this may change though

Round and round it goes, where does it stops, nobody knows... (yeah, a sentence I recalled from a pop culture product that seems to fit perfectly here)

 

More CPU connections = more pins.

 

I have a new P870KM1 (Kaby and the 270 chipset). A few things that should be fixed;

Less "klacky" noises on the keyboard. Maybe it needs a bit of sound dampening inside of or under the keyboard
Fill in the lettering and symbols on the sides so they stand out better (would look really nice)
A longer power cord from the two way combiner to the laptop. It is way too close to the laptop and if you use it on your lap (I do) it constantly gets unplugged
A better wifi antenna

 

What do you mean by fill them in at the sides?

I know people want that cable from the box to be longer but it has to get bigger a bulkier the more you do that. Using a workload that requires both adapters on your lap is certainly brave!

What wifi card are you using and what router?

 

I destroyed wimpy little AC adapter that came with the P750ZM (replaced it with 330W) so I could "steal" the cable from it to mod one of my AC-100 adapters and it turned out amazing. It's everything the AC-100 needed to be and couldn't with the stubby little pigtail cord on it. It has not had any issue handling the power demands of the P870DM3 and it handled the p570WM just fine as well. The cord seems to be the same gauge as the one on my pre-production 780W AC adapter.

I am also curious what the comment means about filling in the letters and symbols on side of the keyboard/keys. It might be an awesome idea, but I cannot get a mental picture of what @Tishers suggestion means.

 

I want Clevo to not limit G-Sync to their high-end P650+, P7 and P8 machines. The P640 is halfway there (it has a graphics mux and different modes can be selected), but no G-Sync. I wish the P640HP also came with a GTX 1060 (perfectly capable, according to Prema, the reason was that the 1060 was 'electrically incompatible' with the 965M aka Clevo was lazy). If the GS43VR, AW13, Aero 14, Aorus X3 and even Razer Blade all have 1060s, I see why no reason why the P640 shouldn't. It's not going to sell well, just for that reason. I want Adobe RGB and high refresh rates on small screens.

 

A bios that works and is not overvolted by default. Clevo have given us mangled bios's least make sure the bits that are left WORK !!!

Mainy speaking here of the P870DM2 bios, overvolted by default and a broken Voltage offset that can only add voltage !

 

Do the models you mentioned have g-sync? Because instead of being a Clevo shortcoming it can be that the 14" panels cannot be certified to work work with g-sync.

 

To be fair, no, none of them do. But then again, variable refresh rate is a VESA standard. 13-14" panels being unable to be certified with G-Sync is nonsense. A screen size should not be a determinant at all. If users want their smartphone screens to have the tech, it should be available, since it's so beneficial in eliminating lag.

Anyway, I'd rather FreeSync than G-Sync.

 

I think we should change the word cannot to will not. NVIDIA does whatever they feel best for NVIDIA and to hell with what customers want. The "certification" is a farce and a scam. What that means is the panel gets whitelisted and a license fee is paid to NVIDIA. Otherwise, every laptop screen could work with G-Sync. Maybe not work well if it is a piece of crap, but still work.

 

Could be a CYA thing too to keep people from calling them when the 'piece of crap' ones don't work. It's easier to say "Well we never certified the panel, go talk to the manufacturer, they were the ones who said it works, those liars" than it is to try and figure out why a particular panel doesn't work.

 

I thinkt it would be better to work that way. At least you now have a lottery on lower end cost saving panel that may or may not run on eDP adaptive sync. People with budget minded laptop can get something extra if they're lucky.
Also eDP adaptive sync (gsync) on lower Hz panel is an open source free standard.







The higher end panel 120hz should also have option for gsync or no gsync. The true cost saving option comes in that no-gsync option have the hardware buffer removed (according to prema this is required for smooth gsync).






I'm not sure where the 4K AUO/Sharp panel falls. This is more for people like bloodhawk with more work than play.

What I said above is pro consumer but not pro nvidia's wallet. So it's not going to happen.

 

Actually... Anything that is pro consumer will be Pro Nvidia as well. If they make more sales, they will have higher gains. It should be absolutely first in their interest to satisfy customers so that they sell the most thay can!

 

Allow us to upgrade our own bios without having to get the reseller involved.

 

But you can flash your own bios...?

 

I asked the HIDEvolution guys about it, and they said that the reseller has to do it remotely.

 

That's a prema mod shop.

 

Right, but my model doesn't have prema bios yet. (650RP6) The funny part is that it was locking up on the BIOS screen where you select a boot drive (and disable UEFI). I set up a time for the HIDEvolution guy (who was really cool) to walk me through flashing my BIOS. We create the jump drive (DOS based) and reboot. He tells me to go into the BIOS to the BOOT screen and select legacy so we can see the DOS drive. Uh yeah, that is where, uh, it is locking up... SO an RMA is in progress. LOL.

First time in a long while I haven't been able to just use a windows app to flash my bios. But usually I am working with a custom desktop.

 

Not when they have most of the market. That's why people are excited about AMD, because the more of a threat they are the more pro customer NVidia has to be to keep sales up.