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    GT300M on NVIDIA's WEBSITE!

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by alexnvidia, Oct 27, 2009.

  1. alexnvidia

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    i agree, GTX285M will most likely be a die shrink of the aging G92b core, possibly with DX10.1 support, and not likely to have GDDR5 because G92b is just tooooo old to support GDDR5 (correct me if im wrong). GT300M will likely be the new GT200 core.
     
    alexnvidia, Oct 27, 2009
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  2. Eivind

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    Sheer taunting I guess :)
     
    Eivind, Oct 27, 2009
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    All I have to say is finally!
    But until they are out we can only speculate on performance and architecture.
    Glad I didn't order a new CLEVO gonna have to wait for the new GPU's now..lol
     
    IKAS V, Oct 27, 2009
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  4. WankelRotor

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    will this fit into my 9262? it better ...
     
    WankelRotor, Oct 27, 2009
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  5. Quadzilla

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    All these new cards are going to be MxM3.0 .. Your machine is MxM2.1 so sadly no they wont..
     
    Quadzilla, Oct 27, 2009
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  6. dualwunderworld

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    Well I ordered a W860CU, and after 4 years of my present laptop I'm not going to wait god knows how long for an incremental increase to my soon to arrive GTX280m.

    In a year or year and a half, I'll scoop whatever card is mxm3.0 compliant and upgrade then.

    But considering how any game will run on my gtx280m for at least a couple years to come, I'll be damned if I'm going to keep waiting for every new thing on the horizon.

    /rant
     
    dualwunderworld, Oct 27, 2009
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  7. Eivind

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    I thought it was MXM IV and they are backwards compatible with MXM 3.0b?
     
    Eivind, Oct 27, 2009
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  8. Sparky894

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    I posted a thread on this topic some days ago ...

    now the question is how soon will it debut ???

    meaning should i go ahead to get a new sager setup now ???

    or wait ???

    how much will 1 item of the GT300M on itself costs ?

    :confused:
     
    Sparky894, Oct 27, 2009
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  9. emike09

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    Now I remember an article a while back about nVidia attempting the G92b die shrink to 40nm and had disastrous results, dropping the project altogether. Perhaps a G92b dieshrink is not what the GTX 285m will have...
     
    emike09, Oct 27, 2009
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  10. Megacharge

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    MXM IV belongs to the 2.1 family, MXM 2.1 type III IV HE etc, are all MXM 2.1 and are different than MXM 3.0a/b. No MXM 2.1 cards are backwards compatible with MXM 3.0 a or b.
     
    Megacharge, Oct 27, 2009
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  11. kevindd992002

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    So is it worth waiting for that time before buying the W860CU? It will be officially announced after Black Friday and when approximately would be the release then?
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 27, 2009
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  12. Soviet Sunrise

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    My guess is just as good as anyone else in this thread right now. Whether or not the GTX 285M will be 55nm or 40nm, it will still be a G92, and that is all the reason I need for waiting on the final itteration of the G92 architecture. In about a day, the G92 will have it's two year birthday since launching on October 29, 2007 as the 8800 GT.
     
    Soviet Sunrise, Oct 28, 2009
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  13. kevindd992002

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    Ok. Is the GTX280M a G92 architecture with a 55nm die?

    So in all angles, the 285M would be a tad better than the 280M because of its 40nm die?
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 28, 2009
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  14. Soviet Sunrise

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    No, it's going to be worse. Smaller transistors means less performance, thus you should stay away from it from all costs.
     
    Soviet Sunrise, Oct 28, 2009
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  15. kevindd992002

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    Gotcha, lol..
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 28, 2009
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    Megacharge, Oct 28, 2009
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    as a measure of how much the GTX300M will cost ...

    does anyone know how much a GTX280M costs ???

    :)

    thanks

    Sparky894
     
    Sparky894, Oct 28, 2009
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  18. alexnvidia

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    correct me if im wrong, i thought smaller transistor means higher performance? (higher frequency, less heat, less current leakage, higher density, etc)
     
    alexnvidia, Oct 28, 2009
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  19. kevindd992002

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    @alexnvidia

    You're right about that. Sov Sun was being sarcastic, lol..
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 28, 2009
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    $490, but if the 300M series has a smaller die size, it should cost less.
     
    5482741, Oct 28, 2009
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  21. alexnvidia

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    right, i thought so.. lol! ;)
     
    alexnvidia, Oct 28, 2009
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  22. Soviet Sunrise

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    [​IMG]
     
    Soviet Sunrise, Oct 28, 2009
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  23. kagey

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    Wow I've had my 8800 GT now for two years...Happy Birthday
    Where'd those years go. Hum... my 8800 GTX is coming up on 3 years...what the heck! I should be upgrading, spending lots of money on new video cards and new systems but my C2Ds (E6750, X6800 EE) run fine.

    IMO - 285M is just gonna be a G92 die shrink and they will charge what the do for the 280M's if not more. Will the 300's be DX11, G92 die shrinks, Lots of speculation.
     
    kagey, Oct 28, 2009
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  24. Blacky

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    I think the 300M is a 40nm dieshrink of current 55nm cards.

    The 285M is just a higher clocked card, just like 7900 GTX and 7950 GTX, this is what I am speculating at this moment. If the 285M was such a great improvement they would call it 290M or 295M or something much more cool.
     
    Blacky, Oct 28, 2009
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  25. Soviet Sunrise

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    Agreed. My expectations are no more than a clock hike with handpicked cards.
     
    Soviet Sunrise, Oct 28, 2009
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  26. DRevan

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    These will only come in MXM 3.0, so no chance seeing MXM 2.1 Type IV?
     
    DRevan, Oct 28, 2009
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  27. Blacky

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    None ... unless some other manufacturers like Asus or Acer who might still use 2.1 decide to use them.
     
    Blacky, Oct 28, 2009
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  28. Phinagle

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    Going to go with the 285M being an overclocked 55nm core... maybe with GDDR5....which might be the reason why it doesn't get a 300 model number. It looks like it's meant as a stop gap GPU vs. the Mobility 4870 but it's so late in the game at this point why bother.

    The 300M will almost certainly be rebadges of the 40nm low-scale G200 architecture. Fermi's massive size and general processing disposition isn't "mobile-ready".
     
    Phinagle, Oct 28, 2009
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  29. Kevin

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    I'm with Phinagle, in thinking that 300M will be G200 chips. No way Nvidia bothers with 40nm G92 chips.

    Of course 285M will be a bumped 280M, maybe nearing 9800 GTX.
     
    Kevin, Oct 28, 2009
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  30. kevindd992002

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    Ah. So 285M will still be 55nm? Just higher clocks?
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 28, 2009
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  31. alexnvidia

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    i dont see why GTX285M wont get a 40nm die shrink, assuming it's still a rebadged G92b core. for starters, GTX280M is already on a whopping 75W thermal envelope on 55nm. If they decide to increase the clock speed further, that will bring the power requirement over the roof! but then again, it's such an old core, investing further in a die shrink will not be economically plausible. the real question is, why even bother upgrading GT200M line when they can do better with GT300M (based on GT200 core)?
     
    alexnvidia, Oct 28, 2009
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  32. Phinagle

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    Honestly for all we know the GTX285M may not even come out. For what we have to go on the GTX285M may just as easily be vaporware...something Nvidia had plans to produce but never gets released. It's blip that popped up on the driver page may be all we see of the GPU.
     
    Phinagle, Oct 28, 2009
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  33. kagey

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    Blip...Pooofff lol
     
    kagey, Oct 28, 2009
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  34. sotoa

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    Does ATI/AMD have any cards that fit the 5797? Or are there's totally different connection?
     
    sotoa, Oct 28, 2009
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  35. Blacky

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    Mobility 4870 , 3850 , 3870 as long as you use the MXM 2.1 models.
     
    Blacky, Oct 28, 2009
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  36. GypsyDRB

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    I'm assuming the likelihood of another mxm2.1 card that is an upgrade to the 260m / 280m line ...maybe smaller die, uses less power, etc...is slim to none?
     
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    Looking at it, Mobility HD4870 is not better than my 9800GT. But good to know it's there.
    I'm curious to see what ATI is doing with mobiles. They've pulled ahead in desktops lately, but would be nice to see them do the same on the mobile front.
     
    sotoa, Oct 28, 2009
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  38. Blacky

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    More close to none than to slim. Sorry, unless Clevo or Alienware or whatever other notebook manufacturer decides to sell MXM cards just like desktop video cards, we are not gonna see any other new cards for 2.1, better than the current 280M.

    But who knows, with the latest surge in sales for stand alone GTX 280M. Clevo might just as well decide to give this market a chance.
     
    Blacky, Oct 28, 2009
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  39. BrandonSi

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    I'm not putting off my purchase. If a 2 year old 8800 GT is still doing fine, then I would hope the 280 will still be chugging along OK in another 2 years. I replace the laptops ~ every 2 years anyway, so I don't feel waiting another 2-3 months is going to yield much benefit, at least to me.

    This site is great, but it's very easy to get caught up in the "OMG the XXX is coming out in 2 months that's going to be so much better than the YYY that came out last week" mentality.
     
    BrandonSi, Oct 28, 2009
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  40. Blacky

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    I know :))
     
    Blacky, Oct 28, 2009
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  41. alexnvidia

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    i feel you, the horrors of ever advancing technology. waiting can only lead no nothing, because by the time something is just available to the market, something even better gets cooked up. :rolleyes:
     
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    I called my vendor "mySN" today, asking for nV 300m series, have to wait for Feb. -March 2010 maybe late Jan.
    will see and wait!
     
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  43. alexnvidia

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    finally, some positive indication. late jan is just 3 months away. ;)
     
    alexnvidia, Oct 28, 2009
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  44. Larry@LPC-Digital

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    If you buy a NP8690 or NP8760 you will be fine for a while. With the latest PM55 Chipset, the i7, and an almost certainty of being able to upgrade the GPU in a few months, you'll be in the game for longer than you may think ;)
     
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    You will be crazy holding off an order for something over pure speculation. With solid proof and a better time frame then a valid point can be made to wait some more on the new best thing. Honestly, I think Nvidia got something up their sleeves with the new GT300M cards but who knows..but before all that a beefed up G92 core 285m-295m gtx be released just to notch it up a little to hang in with the competition. Again, all pure speculation.
     
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  46. alexnvidia

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    Taken down from UK site now.. looks like screen shots and speculations are all we have.. for now..
     
    alexnvidia, Oct 28, 2009
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    Hi I am thinking of buying the Sager NP9850 and will this system with the dual m280 SLI be support as well?
     
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    ok so why can't there be one mxm slot for laptops? desktops use only one type of PCI-E slot. I dont get the idea of having: mxm2.0, mxm2.1, mxm2.1B, mxm3.0, mxm3.0b, mxm3.0c, mxm3.0W/T/F, mxm3GTFO, mxm007, mxmScrewNvidia slots for laptops. why cant there only be one proper mxm slot so all the cards are compatible?
     
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    LOL then there wouldn't be as much profits for the ugly capitalist pigs hehehehe.

    Don't get me wrong...I'm mildy pissed "they" came out with the np8690 less than 6 months after the 8662. I bought a highend 8662 when i should've waited for the 15.6 incher.

    i7 and mxm3.0...mf'ers are always looking for the quick buck.
     
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    I really doubt the GTX 285M will be a 40nm G92. Why would nVidia reengineer the G92 for 40nm when they have already have GT200 @ 40nm? The GTX 285M might be a G92 part but it won't be 40nm if it is.
     
    dalingrin, Oct 29, 2009
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