GT300M on NVIDIA's WEBSITE!

Stop saying waiting 'leads to nothing'!!!!
Does not mean anything!

It's' true, technology always moves forward but there are new tech and new tech. A 5 meter step forward is not comparable to a 3 meter one!!!

I.e. buying a 8700m gt when you know 8800gtx is around the corner is a stupid thing so better waiting.
But not buying a 8800gtx (when it's right out) with the intent to wait for the next tech (ati 5xxx or nvidia gt300) is a non sense.

I mean I really believe that waiting and not buying NOW is better than waiting and not buying when ati 5xxx and nvidia300 will be out!

Does it make sense????
(my english is poor I know)

 

What i meant is, like you said, technology is always advancing. by the time a new technology/product comes out to the market (ie. 45nm clarksfield), something even newer is already on the horizon (ie. 32nm clarksfield for jan next year). by the time you waited till jan next year to get a 32nm clarksfield, 22nm sandy bridge will just be a few months away, so you figure, what the heck, why not wait again.. and so on and so forth. in the end, what do you end up having? nothing.

so when do you reckon is the best time to buy? now, after 3 months? or after another 3 months when you waited that 3 months, or maybe another 3 months after that? not to mention, there is no definate press release from nvidia when GT300M will be officially available, how long do you think u need to wait?

besides, waiting is something subjective. it's all up to an individual whether to wait or not, when is the best time, when is not. there is really no need to trash people's opinion.

this "poor english" person really has soon issues with his/her nonsense. left me completely speechless. my only advice is, get some "proper english" education before you start trashing people.

 

Finally, some action.

 

dont understand why there are always some low life here and there starting fire and disrupting peace. we can never have a peaceful chat, can we?

 

Ok folks, lets keep things calm and civil.

no insults and attacks are allowed... as per the forum rules.

...or I will close this thread.

 

Gophn is BACK!

 

Looks like fudzilla has given us a hint on what's to come

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16185/1/

Quoted from fudzilla:
"Nvidia ordered much more 40nm wafers for its notebook and desktop entry level chip as well as for Fermi"

"Fermi, Nvidia's GF100 40nm DirectX 11 chip "..." The original schedule of late November might skip in the first week(s) of December, but from what we learned over the last few days, it was always late November to first days of December."

hope this applies to GT300M.. 40nm wafers for notebooks.. mm..

 

What's GF100?

 

possibly the new naming scheme for Fermi series.

 

Well said.
Pro's and con's to waiting or buying now. Buy now you enjoy having something now rather than 3 months from now but you see the price drops hints of the next best thing etc. but remember you enjoyed 3 months with your new hardware.
I bought a M980NU/NP9850 right before the W860 and W870 were scheduled to debut. Could I have waited for one of those and an i7/i5 fancy new processor, LED LCD, etc. I didn't and I enjoy (well my nephew enjoys) the laptop greatly and he's had it over a month now. Not to mention the 18.4 LCD and SLI is nice too.
All in all it's always a tough decision when to buy but you need to look at your needs, cost, and personal factors and whether or not you should. But never look back and say what-if. That's not healthy.

 

Regarding the dilema of waiting for the next best thing.

If you had the 8800M GTX going strong for 2 years, it doesn't mean that 285M GTX will also go strong for two years.
8800 GT core was a technological jump, that's why it lasted through all the incremental upgrades. 285M GTX will probably be the last offspring of 8800 GTX, so it will last at the top much less.

IMO the best time when you should buy is just after a big architecture change. It will last longer than anything else.
That would be a future high end mobile version of GT 200, or GT 300 cores.

 

I agree, it is exactly what I did when I bought my M571RU. I was Looking at systems with 8700 SLi, and 7950GTX SLi. Then I heard of the G92 core coming to notebooks, and it was definitely worth the wait. IMO the 8800M gtx was the first real gaming card that gave us comparable results/performance to desktop cards.

Now whether or not the next gen of cards will be that big of a leap from an 8700 - 8800M is another question to ponder. But if it is simply a die shrink g92B, overclocked, then well you might as well get an 260/280 for a discounted price.

 

Over on the xotic pc forums, someone posted this about ATI's next mobile chip:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090914PD203.html
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/09/10/mobility.radeon.hd.5k.to.cover.whole.range/

 

"The Mobility Radeon HD 5000 series is expected to be a direct translation of the desktop models and should have similar lines. At the top, the 5870, 5850 and 5830 will all have a very large 1,600 shader units (effects processors) and should support CrossFire on gaming-oriented desktop replacements. The top two will support fast GDDR5 memory while the 5830 will need GDDR3."

this is awesome! i wonder how are they going to keep the TDP under control even with 40nm.

 

It all boils down to how much ATI has to cripple the chip in order to get it within the 75W TDP.

Moreover, Nvidia's Fermi is apparently more powerful than ATI's 5870. I've seen some pretty crazy rendering made (supposedly) with Fermi.

I just wish there would be more GPU options for notebooks, more competition is always welcomed (HEAR THAT INTEL ???).

 

From a logical point of view, assuming the source of the info is indeed correct, ati has no option but to lower the clock speed of the GPU, because the shader units are now fixed at 1600 (which is massive!), and Taiwan's manufacturing capability is currently at 40nm. mmm... im not too sure about this, seems like the card is going to run at a puny clock speed compared to their desktop counterparts.

they could actually pull this off with the help of GDDR5, which effectively doubles the memory bandwidth without really doubling the size and transistors of the GPU. which is why ati's GPUs are "only" capable of 256-bit memory interface, rather than monstrous 512 bit for nvidia's GPU.

 

I am no GPU tech specialist (although I would love to ), but I am pretty sure there are other ways of lowering TDP besides clock rates. Probably shutting down some power hungry functions in the GPU is one of them ... but even so, you are right, they will still have to lower the clock rates. I also hope ATI is not gonna take forever to get its Mobility GPU on the market as it did with the 4870.

 

They might be doing what Nvidia's plans are with the Fermi based chips, e.g. rebadging:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/..._Fermi_Features_on_Gaming_Graphics_Cards.html

It looks like there will probably never be a real full-fledged GT300 mobile gaming card.

 

That is to be expected.

 

GT300M Release imminent.

http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/25576-new-gpus-anyone/

GT300M series Quadro equivalents spotted on nvidia's site (again) from laptopvideo2go, the site for nvidia's latest mod drivers

Quadro FX 3800M
Quadro FX 2800M
Quadro FX 880M

 

Looks like the 300m series drivers are done but the hardware will probably take until jan/feb to surface.

 

More like March. First in 18" and then 17". It looks like D901F will be SLI.

 

First it will not be the D901F, look at the clevo guide for their naming convention, and second where are you getting your information from?

 

Probably the same place he pulled D901F from.. I'll let you guess where that might be.

 

Gah, of course we get the sh*t end of the stick with GPUs this year, sure we could wait, but with Calpella out, and the new Clevos , who wants to wait? But we can't help that the GPU is lagging behind SO much in the mobile market lately. The guys who bought the 8800mGTX AND the 8800GTX really REALLY got their money's worth didn't they? That was such a huge jump from the 7950mGTX, but the jump from the 8800mGTX has been in the single digits % wise. We get stuck with a transitional GPU that is just another rebrand of a rebrand. . Oh well, I'm buying the 5870, or whatever GT300 when it comes out if it's actually what I think it will be: 2x the performance of the current " top end " chips. By top end I mean of course the elderly G92b running it's course (I imagine a wrinkled old hairless cat, that can still kill a mouse).

 

Mobile fermi or whatever is still awhile off. I'm just hoping it will be compatible with the current mxm 3.0b as well as the power requirements. It would suck hard to be stuck with the current gen GPU's because the new one's use a new slot and/or require more power.

 

Ugh yah, but with the new slot, MXM3.0 should be around for a while now, I just checked the spec on MXM3.0. The standard can support GDDR5 memory, a 256bit wide bus, and a 75w TDP, but nothing about how high GDDR5 can be clocked. So all the newer Clevos ( yay! ) will be able to support the upcoming mobile GPUs for a little while at least. ( Sorry MXM2.1 ). Well buying the arse end of a GPU line kinda sucks, but hey at least we can upgrade! So far it looks like nV will have to redesign GT200 or do this Fermi thing somehow into a mobile card to keep up with ATI with it's 5870. GT200 has a 448bit bus, with 192 cores, and a pretty big TDP ( like 180w? ) so maybe they can shave off some of it, but last I heard that ended up being a disaster? WHo knows, I'm really out of ideas on what nV will be doing with these new mobile GPUs.

 

How old is MXM2.1 and how old is MXM3.0? 1.5yrs and 8months?

 

Looks like Fermi is delayed until January 2010.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16342/1/

I would say autumn 2010 for mobile Fermi.

 

I'd add at least a year maybe two to your mobile Fermi timeline. Gianormous GPGPUs targeting the supercomputing market really have no place in a notebook.


On a side note what may end up being in notebooks is the rumored Nvidia x86 CPU. Losing their chipset business entirely would really hurt Nvidia so it wouldn't be a bad idea to build their own CPU...or go back and rework their abandoned deal with Via.

Nvidia remaking themselves.

 

I wouldn't say sorry for MXM 2.1 yet, it has some underrated qualities
The move to MXM 3.0b was done with the purpose to leave behind the 1-2 year old laptops. If it was just to offer support for PCIe 2.0 in laptops, why they even changed both the mechanical and electrical specs, when the desktop PCIe 2.0 is backward compatible with PCIe 1.x?
It's all about milking the money cow.

 

Which does me off immensely. (Just wanted to add that)

 

I am on the verge of buying a Sager 8760. Just replaced the motherboard, memory, wifi card and video card under warranty on my Dell M1710 so I may try to hold it together for a bit more, but if the Sager can definitely be upgraded with the next gen cards, I may order this week.

Sager 8760 Ultimate Custom Gaming Notebook Computer (Built on Clevo W870CU) i7 Calpella! Qty: 1
17.3” Full HD(1920x1080)16:9 LED Backlit Super Clear Glossy Widescreen- Wide Viewing Angle Qty: 1
30 Day No Questions Asked Money Back Guarantee! (Others only give you 15 days) Qty: 1
nVidia GeForce GTX 280M Video/Graphics Card w/1GB (1024MB) Memory (User Upgradeable!) Qty: 1
Intel® Core™ i7-920XM EXTREME CALPELLA Clarksfield Processor 2.0-3.2GHz(45nm 8MB L3 cache) Qty: 1
Arctic Silver 5 High Performance Thermal Compound Qty: 1
4GB (4096MB) DDR3 1333MHz SDRAM (2 SODIMMs) (2048MB x 2048MB) Qty: 1
RAID 0 (Data Stripping - Requires 2 Identical Hard Drives) Qty: 1
500GB l 7200RPM I SATA II-300 (16MB Cache Buffer) Qty: 1
Add 2nd 500GB l 7200RPM I SATA II-300 (16MB Cache Buffer) Qty: 1
Panasonic 2X BD-R/8X DVD+-R / 2.4X + DL BLU-RAY Reader with Software Qty: 1
Integrated-Built In Fingerprint Reader (Free!) Qty: 1
Enhanced High Definition 3D Audio Sound System with S/P DIF Digital Output Qty: 1
Integrated Built-In Bluetooth Module + EDR Qty: 1
Internal Built-In 7-in-1 Memory Card Reader (MS/MS PRO/MS DUO/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RSMMC) Qty: 1
Integrated 2.0 Megapixel Digital Video Camera (Built In Webcam!) Qty: 1
Integrated Built in 10/1000 Fast Ethernet / LAN Network Card Qty: 1
Integrated Built in Intel Pro Wireless Wi-Fi Link 5300 802.11 A/G/N Qty: 1
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit Installed (64 and 32 bit CD included with drivers) Qty: 1
Standard 11.1V Smart Li-Polymer battery pack 3800mAh, 42.18Wh Qty: 1
Deluxe Black Business Carrying Case (Free!) Qty: 1
Microsoft Office Ready with FREE 60-Day Trial! Qty: 1
Sager 3 Year Warranty (Parts and Labor) + Lifetime Toll-Free Domestic Technical Support Qty: 1
Manufacturers 3 Year ADP Policy - Covers All Parts & Labor For Drops, Spills, Etc… Qty: 1

 

We get just as annoyed by the changing MXM format. We don't even claim the MXM format is upgradable anymore, since there's always the possibility of a new MXM format mucking up upgradability (of course, as NBR users have proven, the MXM format is quite upgradable - it's just better not to claim it as such, because most people are used to the desktop definition of upgradable).

 

good find! +rep

 

Just pulled the trigger on mine buddy. I could not wait anymore. Sold my M90 and need a big bugger to fill the space in my desk

 

main page updated with GT300 info. check it out

 

Do you suspect this chip will be out by say, next March?

Also, how much faster do you suspect It'll be over the 280M?

 

as of now, it's still too early to tell. so far we only have 2 confirmed specs for GT300M chips, which are the GT310M and GT330M. for more info, refer to the first page. and there's the mysterious GTX285M too, which is yet to be seen. you might wana watch out for GTS360M, the current flagship of GT300M gpu.

 

Probably by the end of the year we should have some dates hopefully for this 360M. Now the question, should we take this one or the ATI Mobility Radeon HD5850? Can't wait for a comparison of the two...

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 in a Notebook

 

good find on the mobility radeon 5850. looks like using GDDR3. hopefully not limited to just GDDR3 when officially released. i guess the question is how new are the GT300M? are they based on GT200b core, or the newer Fermi 100 core? if it's GT200b core, unless there's a huge performance gap, my money's on ati's brand new DX11 evergreen

 

The Mobility 5850 is GDDR3. Jeez ATi, you have failed.

 

I'd hold off until it's confirmed that the Acer is actually using a 5850. The notebook's GPU has also been reported as being a 5650 which honestly seems more typical for Acer machines.

 

I am waiting for the Firepro. Forget Nvidia...

 

http://ven.nvidia.com/object/IO_11761_la.html
The next gen. of mobile workstation cards still keep the old core.