GTX 285M Officially out!

We ran out of 280M stock about 2 weeks ago so every G860 and G870 since then has shipped with a 285M

 

That's a confirmation from both Andy and Neil from Kobalt Computers via phone and then forums that I will be receiving this card when my laptop finally arrives at some point next week (entered the build phase a few days back)- that makes me VERY happy. Thanks so much for the good news! Even if it's not a huge improvement (although 10% is in game performance boost is pretty sweet by me), it's still better than what I was expecting to receive and more than makes up for the extra week I had to wait

 

Sli 285M gets 10600 in Vantage PU mark. That's only 400-500 points shy of the 4870 x2 in the M17x.

 

Just had some time to install my 285m seems to be working well. A little OC gave some decent 3dmark. Also, I really like the IC Diamond 7 Thermal for the CPU and GPU the temps are definitely lower under stress. More later.

 

Wow!
That's a sick score for a single graphic card.
How much of a improvement did you get over the 280M?

 

A normal W860CU/W870CU should get around 12k for 3DMark 06 with the i7-920XM and the GTX 280.

 

Well that score's consistent with the 10% improvement in performance over the 280m that Justin from xoticpc posted with some Crysis/CoD4 comparisons earlier - looking good.

What did you overclock the card to? Voltage increased as well?

 

So 2000 more is pretty good if you ask me!
Sorry I'm not a big ATI fan(driver support blows) even if the HD 5870 might put up better numbers in real life gaming use I don't think the gap would be too big.
@babyhemi how did you OC your rig to 4GHz that's insane?
Software or BIOS?
Thinking of getting it's baby brother the NP8690 and wondering if it's possible to do the same on it?
Sorry been away for a while and not up to speed on new Clevo/Sager laptops!
I know how dare I

 

When I use the OC bios I set it to 4x and then use Eleet tools to up it a bit. It does not stay long at 4ghz but it spikes to over that at times going from 3.5 on up. The 4x bios only works with the extreme processor.

 

So only possible with the i7-920?
Is OCing the in the BIOS with NP8690?
Sorry for all the dumb questions if it's been covered before

 

At this time I believe only the extreme CPU can use the OC bios. You can use the ELeet Tuning tool to up your CPU for a NP8690.

 

The extra BIOS multiplier is only in the NP8760, and was only available for a limited time. Updated BIOSes for the NP8760 removed the feature. And yes, only the i7-920XM has the unlocked multiplier in the first place to even allow the overclocking.

 

Great thanks for the info.

That's what I thought.
At least we a have a tool to OC now.
Thanks .

 

i have tried to overclock my cpu with eleet-tune but i can't.why???

 

because...

 

the multipliers goes up but i can't overclock...pls help!!

 

because you have a cheap cpu with a locked multiplyer

you cant overclock that way

 

is there another way to overclock??

 

Your 720QM can already overclock itself.

 

i know that!!i ask if i can overclock it beyond 2.8ghz..thanxx

 

Is it just me or is it really fun to mess with this guy?

 

Lol. You're not alone.

 

No, you cannot overclock it beyond what it will do itself.

 

Only the i7 920XM can be OC'd beyond it's factory settings.
It's the only one thats unlocked!

 

For those of you that are waiting for the MR 5870 to come out for Clevo's, your wish has come true. Clevo will have the MR 5870's available for our notebooks after CeBIT. RJTech has them in stock and they are now just waiting on the countdown to launch day. Let's see if Nvidia's trump card, the GTX 380M, can answer back.

 

Hey Soviet, is there any information on how cheaper the card would be compared to the 285M

 

I have heard little comments going around that the 5870 isnt acutally much faster than the 285m in real world performance ? and in certain games its actually slower.
Would you agree with this or would you suggest the upgrade if people were looking to do so.

 

I'd go with the 5870 in nearly every scenario, the exception being if it's $200 more than the 285M.

 

Generally it will be faster (about 5-15%), games that are heavily Nvidia centric (like Crysis to some extent) will be about even, perhaps with with a couple of percent lead to the GTX285.

That said, lower power consumption, generally lower heat, and a better feature set are compelling reasons to go for the 5870. Like Kevin says, the only reason to go GTX285 if you have a choice, is if you HATE ATI/AMD, require CUDA for work purposes or the 5870s are massively more expensive.

Generally however, the 5870 is a more modern, more effective core architecture. Minimum fps may well be higher than the GTX285 across the board but this sort of stuff is relatively undocumented usually.

Oh and the 5870 generally should have better overclocking headroom, considering the GTX285 is basically already overclocked

 

Ye I know that the 5870 can be overclocked like a beast ! so that is a big plus ! were would you be able to buy one from ? I have never had to buy a laptop GPU ?

 

They're not generally available yet. If anyone can get them, its likely to either be through your vendor, the maker of the laptop, or mxm-upgrade.
The reason I suggest vendor/manufacturer is because only they will know if there should be BIOS ID for these cards, as not all MXM boards support all MXM cards. Theyre not as interchangeable as PCI-E GPUs for example, and often still require board 'recognition'.

That said better to wait a little while right now. More laptops using them will probably appear on the horizon.

 

Would the ati 5870m differ from the one asus is using? Say like 256bit bus or higher clocks.

 

Same specifications.

In synthetics, the 5870M is quite a bit faster than the 285M (namely Vantage). Perhaps due to immature drivers, but the performance advantage is less profound in actual games. In some cases, it's even slower.

However, the 5870M is undoubtedly a better performer than the 285M when AA is used. Today's games will run at 1080p just fine, some even with 4x AA and still run at 60 FPS. When DX10.1/DX11 can be used, the 5870M has the clear advantage.

In other words, there's no reason to choose the 285M, if the 5870M is an option.

 

Thanks for clearing that up 'anothergeek' so to summerise the summery:

285M better than the 5870 in some games that are tailored to Nvidia.

285M slightly worse on other games (By a noticeable difference ?)

For the new DX10.1/11 and AA This is were the 5870 run away with it? (Is AA needed all that much in games ?)

Thanks Guys if you could clear up some of those questions I would be greatful.

 

That pretty much sums it up, the 5870m is generally stronger, but the GTX285 catches up in games that Nvidia is traditionally stronger.
The GTX285 uses more power and is hotter it seems. The GTX285 doesnt support DX10.1 or 11, so if 'future proofing' is important then thats a consideration. With Cyberlink 9, the 5870m will also bitstream HD Audio via HDMI for blu-ray.

The 5870ms architecture is more efficient with AA than the G92, and also especially when overclocked it's minimum framerate walks cleanly away from G92 chips.

The G92 is worth considering if you can't get a 5870, or the machines with it are cheaper, however there are some signs the 5870 is a cheaper card (early price estimates from a few companies, and the fact the Asus machine is already well priced).

This really sums it up

Especially with monthly driver updates for mobile cards from AMD now confirmed for the near future

 

Taking into account that the enthusiasts change their laptop every 1 and a half year future proof has no meaning. They will anyway change often.

PL

 

I know, but there are games on the market using DX10.1 and DX11 NOW with more biggies to come like AVP, whereas the the GTX285 is limited to DX10. It depends on whether you care about such things.

 

I have bought the NP8690 and thought I was taking advantage of the 285M upgrade ? Will this be ok for now running new games ? and is there any room for the 5870 or the new Nvidia GPU's in the NP8690 ?

Ovbiously you can only speculate until March (Cebit). And info would be good, High chance, low chance etc....

 

The GTX285 setup will still run most games at decent settings, in high res, its not a slow setup by any means. (treat it as desktop 9800GTX SLI)

The 5870 and new Nvidia GPUs could well fit in the NP8690, as long as your current heatsinks fit, or they can supply new heatsinks with the new cards, and BIOS support is included
All these cards will be MXM3.0b (well most likely in upcoming Nvidia cases) as it's a pretty new revision of the spec, its just the cooling array, availability and BIOS that needs dealt with!

 

Thanks Alex appreciate you answering all my stupid questions. Can you speculate on the upgrading options ?

 

Not beyond rumour. Nvidia upgrade possibilities are almost certain aslong as a new machine isn't released in the interim, ATI unknown but likely as Clevo seems to be patching up thier fallout with them. It really depends on what Clevo agree to support and provide though.

 

AH ok great that's all I wanted im hoping the new Nvidia rival will be an option rather than the ATI 5870. I know the NP8690 has been out a while however that said I cant see another system being released (I may have just jinxed myself)

 

Well Clevo may announce new models at Cebit, and of course theres the X8100 I7 dual card machine just out.

 

Ugh. What if I want to play a DX11 game (ex. Dirt2)? How would the GTX285 handle it?

 

That's my only fear ! as they have already discounted the NP8690 which would suggest phase change ? maybe they are bringing out a new 15.6" model. I just hope they keep the modifications compatible with the 8690.

 

You'd be able to fall back to DX9/10, just without some of the upgrades and improvements down to the new APIs, I doubt we will see any DX10/11 ONLY games for a few years yet, due to the market.

 

This would really suck for those getting the current model.

 

Its always like that.. something new and better just around the corner..

 

No new models around the corner...the price reduction was because of good old competitive pressure.

I just LOVE capitalism

 

Only the CPU and the GPU will be changing.

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