GTX 285M Officially out!

Not sure where you get your information Soviet. While most is pretty accurate, some is not.

For example. What is a GTX 380M? No such production mobile card exists, nor is it likely anywhere in the near future, if ever.

Arrandale processors are already in the Sager NP7762 and NP7652, but will not show up in any PM55 based Sager laptops until Intel releases version B3 of that chipset, and that release has been delayed without an ETA.

 

Ask again in two weeks. Also, my post back in January is now inaccurate. A lot has changed since then and things came earlier than expected.

My focus doesn't cover Clevo's lower models. My implication for the Arrandales is directed for the current high end lineup.

 

Thanks for the reply guys, a little off topic, but the I thought that i7 had just come out and was the new big thing, you guys saying that a new series of proccessors are coming out in March ?

As for no new models thats a relief!! all I have to worry about is the new GPU not beingcompatible.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=390986&page=16

 

I got one question off topic.. is the i7-870 any cooler than i7-950 since its got a 35w lower tdp? And does the D900F maby support it? Anyone know this?

 

This seller offers 5870s, however, I think it will still take some time before he actually is able to deliver them. But the price is quite high, about 491 euro or 671 dollar.

As for the GTX 3x0M. Soviet is accurate, my reseller advised me to go for the 260M instead of the 280M and upgrade to one of the GTX 300Ms once they are available around july.

 

Whats the possibility of seeing a X8100 with two 5870m's in sli or cross fire?

 

Will depend on how close Clevo get to ATi/AMD again, and how long it looks like Nvidia will take to develop new cards, as Clevo wont want to be months behind if others come out with faster machines.
50/50 chance.

 

I have the the i7-870 in my desktop. It uses the desktop P55 chipset motherboard. I thought months ago that Clevo could easily put that in a notebook like the D900F AND make SLI with its Max TDP 95 W...

 

Guess that could means no than..

 

Why 260M, because of the price difference, money saving, or compatibility for future upgrade?

 

Because Daniel Hahn wants to upgrade later on and the GTX 260M is cheaper than the GTX 280M.

 

Money saving. Plus I don't play at FullHD, only HD+ and there you don't really notice a difference between GTX 260M and 280M. Both run everything fluently (don't need much AA). At least the GTX 260M will be able to run everything until summer and then the new cards are coming out anyway. Only thing is that the GTX 280M would probably have sold better. I dont really think there is a market for the GTX 260M 3.0b - if I'm wrong here, please correct me. Originally I wanted to put the 5870 into the laptop, but it wasnt available and I needed the new laptop in the beginning of february or so I thought...

 

I thought so... Thanks.

 

3**m gpu
@_@
ETA, July(hopefully)
done deal!

 

Hoping GTX 380M will be announced at cebit and then released around May (I am allowed to dream ^^)

 

Yeah, I hear you bro.
I was wavering wether to upgrade or not to a new Clevo but if they come out with Fermi Gpu's I'll be all over it.

 

With the current state of fermi, the next range of Nvidia mobile cards are likely to be GT200 based if anything, rather than Fermi.

 

We already know that. All 3xxM designated card will be DX 10.1. The next generation of 4xxM designated cards should be Fermi based.

 

I'm late on this bandwagon. Why not DX11?

 

Because Nvidia said so:
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17578/1/

 

I know that, I was responding to Ikas' comment

 

Well maybe we will get a clearer picture after Cebit but Nvidia is losing a lot of ground.ATI with the 5870's has a couple of steps on them so Nvdia better fire back quick or they are going to lose big.
To tell you the truth I'm not a big ATI fan, got too burned in the past, but if they update drivers at a more regular basis I might make a exception.
I'm not in a hurry to upgrade my 260 GTX hasn't let me down yet but with DX11 it might change that.

 

Well with the new mobility driver plan providing monthly drivers for mobile cards like the desktop cards, I think driver support worries should be out the window (well unless your OEM decided to optout!)

 

There is nothing to keep ATI from issuing one mobility driver and then deciding 6 months later to lengthen or discontinue the driver plan. ATI has a history of lacking mobile drivers - that history counts severely against them and should rightfully be in place for a year before you "count" on it being there long term. AMD is doing the chicken and egg thing. There aren't enough mobile chip users to justify a driver program, but you won't get lots of mobile users without one.

DX11 codepaths fall back to 10.1, 10 or 9 automatically. So DX10 hardware will run DX11 code, just without tesselation primarily. There are several reports around the web showing you just what you get with DX11, and much of the world is impressed, but not wow'd if you understand that difference. It is a nice to have feature, but you might not notice much if you didn't have it.

Nvidia meanwhile has issued drivers for well over a year, and while their level of DX might be a severe blow to them, drivers are a long term issue for notebook owners and SELLERS as well. Used notebooks go way down in value if the GPU maker has little or no drivers for it. Folks do not replace their laptops every year and a half in this economy. Go on ebay and you'll see most used laptops are 2-3 years old, some older.

Probably due to drivers (which really is a stickling issue given what we're paying for these things) the 4870x2 does well in benchmarks but falls behind 280M sli in many things. It's not a superb comparison because of the CPU differences, but it gives some figures worth considering:
http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3647&p=7
Note in this article that the Asus W90V is a quad core 2.2ghz Core 2 and the GPU's are 4870x2 with CF. It shows an interesting perspective on the 280M, let alone the 285M which is a bit stronger.

Nvidia 3xxM series generally added GDDR5 control (optional in some cases) and DX 10.1 support. If they can go from DX10 to 10.1 and GDDR5 with a respin, there is definitely the possibility of DX11 in a respin. I would not count on a Fermi derivative. Even cut down and issued @ 22nm the Fermi would not fit a mobile power and heat envelope. So count mobile Fermi as dream only in 3-4 years, if even then. Remember how many folks were waiting for the 2xx series to go mobile and we STILL aren't there. Mobile has some unique needs and until processes get much smaller than they are now 12-16nm you won't see a lot of desktop chips fit the mobile limits. We all know the power bricks are big enough as it is now...

285M has better drivers (right now) and has had a mobile driver program in place for over a year that works. DX11 codepaths automatically drop down to DX10 codepaths without user intervention, just disabling DX11 only features like Tesselation (which kills performance anyway making it not mobile friendly). While I do think that AMD is the first with a 40nm mobile DX11 chip that uses very low power in idle (and thus is a great design for mobiles), I'm not at all buying the same story they've been saying for a year now that mobile drivers will come out in the future. They said that in interviews a year ago too. That is what made the hardware vendors so upset with them. And it should make the end user a bit cautious. Flashy signs saying "DX11 and 40nm mobile this way" do not hide the complete lack of a mobile driver program in place with regular updates. What about owners of 4870's and 3870's? They've lived without support for years now. Not a good move, if you ask me.

Anyway, everyone spends their money differently. And that's perfectly ok since this choice is one of compromises for sure. Just look at the choices with open eyes.

 

Oh, I am pretty sure we will get a 4xxM DX11 next year.

 

Very good post FXi +1 rep.
I totally agree it seems to be naive to just jump on the ATI band wagon because of flashing bells and whistles. DX11 would be very nice to see on any mobile GPU but now knowing the lack of driver support doesnt make it hallf as appealing as it sounds, what the point in having it if there isnt any support for it. I see the only reason for the ATI is the new architecture and the fact that it is more power friendly and runs cooler which in turn allow overclocking and a significant performance increase over the Nvidia 285M. Although not amazingly faster it is still a large enough increase to make you consider the 5870.

 

They're already selling them with the gtx 285m.

Do you mean they will be putting in other gpu's or were you referring to the gtx 285m as the new gpu?

What did you mean by the CPU changing?
They offer the 720, 820 and 920 i7. Are they going to put something else in there?

If those are the only changes they're making to the NP 8690, I'll probably order one this week.

If they're revamping after cebit, I'll wait two weeks.

 

Don't expect anything new at CeBit. The NP8120 has already been released just as you say, and so has the GTX 285M.

There is no such thing as a GTX 380M, and there may well never be.

 

For the GPU's, I'm referring to the MR 5870. For CPU's, I'm referring to the Arrandale i5/i7's. At the time of that post the X8100 was not out yet, in which goes back to my previous post about things being released earlier than expected.

Resellers have been biting on my tail insisting that the GTX 380M does not exist, nor ever will, but remember that is a typical response any reseller would give in regards to future technology. They're saying that because they see me as a threat to current notebook sales, and I'm sure you understand the economic stigmas that is has in regards to unsold inventory and market sales dropping in anticipation of a new product. Of course, I have no other leverage other than Nvidia's statement to babyhemi and the other underground news I've collected pointing to announcement of the GTX 380M at CeBIT. But I can assure you, Nvidia is not going to disappoint at CeBIT. There "is" something around the corner in two weeks. And because we are that close in time for CeBIT, it's better for prospective buyers to just wait out the two weeks as it is not nail bitingly long.

 

"Announced" and "released" are two different things. While announcements of future products are bound to occur, it will be quite a while before they begin shipping.

This is just the honest truth. It has nothing to do with marketing, or attempts to clear inventory.

You are not a threat Soviet...we love you here.

 

I did not imply anything about the cards shipping at CeBIT. It's way too early for the cards to ship at this time of the consumer year. In all of my previous mentions I have stated only unveilings of a product and a one or two month lead time to actual launch.

 

It will be very sad if nVidia has no answer to ATI. I thought that the GTX285m has been heavily discounted since it will be the base card, while a higher end will be revealed soon, hence the "unicorn" GTX380m.

 

You can count on nVIDIA having an answer to the ATi 5870, it is only a matter of when they will begin shipping, and what it will be called.

 

It better be soon, because the 5870 is already being offered as an option (preorder at least) on the W860CU/W870CU.

 

There is no secret that it is coming, but mark it in your calendar...and see when it actually starts shipping.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=461376

 

So we went from 2-4 years if ever to 1-2 weeks.

This is like Skipper and Alex (Madagascar 2, look it up).

Skipper: "sixt-ninemonths."

Alex: 69 months!!!!

Skipper: "No-- 6..to..9 months!"

 

There actually may be a new release at CeBit. There is a new model expected to be in the works that will be using some of the same features as IBM/Lenovo's W Series workstation.

 

Justin, sorry to derail very slightly, but give you've already played around with the X8100, are you able to say how the screen compares to that in the M980NU chassis. I'm expecting them to be the same model, but theres a chance they may have changed or updated the panel.

Also with RJTech having now announced pre-orders, at least for the 860/870, with 5870 cards, are you able to confirm if you have heard anything on the X8100 getting the same treatment in crossfire format? Cebit is less than 2 weeks now, so its not like news should hurt business as most people buying this level of machine would be waiting or researching around Cebit anyway

 

As for contrast, viewing angles and clarity the screen looks nearly the same as on the X8100 as the 9850. The 5870 will be available on multiple models, however we do not have a firm confirmation on the models, besides the ones already mentioned, that will have this new GPU.

BTW, to clear up some confusion the NP8120 is a Dual Lamp Screen.

 

Thanks for the response, there was nothing amazingly wrong with the M980NU screen (bar perhaps black depth not being the best), just glad to know it's not been changed massively
When you say nearly the same, do you mean there is a minor change good/bad, or that it looks virtually identical?

If you hear any further news on the 5870 Im sure people will be happy for the headsup!

 

Heh Clevo D900ds?

 

any overclocking on the x8100 cpu wise?

 

The 920 is apparently clockable.

 

ok. ok. i guess that's a start.

makes my want one but not until i as least see a 5870 crossfire..
is there any reviews for the np9850????

a full review regarding cooling or whatever. casing build quality???

 

Not seen one, but cooling on the NP9850 is good (and the X8100 has apparently been re-jiggered internally to promote the I7's cooling etc), and it feels a bit like a tank (although not as much as the D900F), I've got a 19" capable backpack and this just about fits

 

Well when contacting Sager today here was the reply


Single lamp. Thank you.


Warm Regards,

 

The M980NU is dual lamp, so i think the X8100 should also be that......
Btw, dual lamp is really good.

 

Lol i know Dual Lamp is really good and i am interested in the machine but im just trying to confirm it one way or another ...

I know Justin said it is according to Sager and im not doubting Justin but he is only telling us what he has been told and now Sager has something else to say....

Its a mess lol...