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    GTX 780m in P150em

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Silverfern, May 23, 2013.

  1. Silverfern

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    Anyone knows if the upcoming gtx 780m will work in the clevo p150em? i see that the 780m is a MXM 3.0b, which will fit, but how about the TDP of the card? is it still 100W or more? will it burn out the 150em's socket?
     
    Silverfern, May 23, 2013
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    Unless there is a BIOS issue it will work fine..............and no, it's still 100W.....
     
    Vahlen, May 23, 2013
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    Prema, May 24, 2013
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    haha duh, exactly there might be the major issue@bios compatibility :p lets wait and see what mythlogic/meaker/prema will come up with :)

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
    jaybee83, May 24, 2013
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    Well if Prema/Mythlogic prove that the 780m can work with older Clevo P1*0HM series notebooks I will open the chequebook and buy direct from these guys.
    :)
     
    TR2N, May 24, 2013
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  6. Silverfern

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    But I am assuming we won't know until early June?

    Sent from my Z10 using Tapatalk 2
     
    Silverfern, May 24, 2013
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    Based on what source?
     
    HTWingNut, May 24, 2013
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    Yeah, from what I've read, the max TDP is actually 122 watts.
     
    Prostar Computer, May 24, 2013
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  9. Silverfern

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    If it is 122 W it will prob burn a hole in the p150em pci slot

    Sent from my Z10 using Tapatalk 2
     
    Silverfern, May 24, 2013
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    Funny because my 680M running at 1080mhz core and 2600mhz memory was fine.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 24, 2013
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    Says on notebookcheck thatthe 780m requires 128Watt to run 3dmark06, so i am assuming te 150em wont be able to have this upgrade?
     
    Silverfern, Jun 1, 2013
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    Hmm, I thought this was a rebranded GTX 680MX?
     
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    the SM series use the exact same heatsinks, so there is no reason to assume that the EM and HM machines wouldnt be able to properly cool the 780m :) the difficulty will rather be bios compatibility.

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    jaybee83, Jun 1, 2013
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  14. Meaker@Sager

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    Yes it's a bios issue rather than an electrical or physical issue.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 1, 2013
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    i am not talking about heatsink, i am talking about the PCI port, will it be able to handle that much current and voltage?
     
    Silverfern, Jun 1, 2013
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    Voltage will remain constant so it's only a case of current, considering it can handle highly overclocked 680M cards I don't think the 780M will be a worry.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 1, 2013
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    but if we decide to overclock the 780m?
     
    Silverfern, Jun 1, 2013
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    Go slow and monitor your temps/power consumption like any other card.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 1, 2013
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    The real question is what TDP is the card, and if temps run high at stock clocks then overclocking anything significant may be problematic. The MSI showed 61C with 3DMark bench run, but the P157SM showed 90C. So I don't know what to make of it in both cases. Granted 3DMark 11 won't run the GPU to its hilt but for a few seconds compared to running 30+ benchmarks that were done with the notebookcheck P157SM.

    This note from the P177SM review at notebookcheck about power:

    So nearly 20W more with just a 3DMark06 run. Part of that may be the CPU, but the Haswell are supposed to consume less power, and aren't taxed too much during 3DMark06. I'd say 90%+ is due to GPU. So it is likely the 780m is actually a 120-125W TDP GPU.
     
    HTWingNut, Jun 1, 2013
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  20. Meaker@Sager

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    But the review was using the old style heatsink.

    Also remember to take psu brick losses.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 2, 2013
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    So the bottom line.....does GTX 780M compatible(BIOS) with the CLEVO HM/EM? YES or NO??????Or we gona start all over again like last years s#%t?????Now everybody they gona say"if it dosent work we have PREMA and SVL"ok I respect that, they are doing theyre best and they are nice persons,BUT if they find a way to work the bios BECAUSE CLEVO LAZY S%^#HEADS THEY DONT GIVE A S%^T about theyre 2 year customers,does then take the full potential of the laptop?Or someone is gona say yes it works BUT youre HDMI is not going to work(7970M),and YES is going to work BUT don't leave youre laptop or set by itself on sleep mode because is going to freeze youre laptop(680M).yes is going to work BUT to install the drivers YOU need to modify every time the drivers so they can work(680M)So to get the 780M to play on my CLEVO HM/EM I have to give 700$ for a card that im going be able to use the half of it(hdmi)(sleep mode)(modify drivers)(and so on............................A BIG F#$%^%G WHY CLEVO?????????????
     
    CROSSFIRE_GTI, Jun 2, 2013
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  22. Mr Najsman

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    Whoa

    Skickat från min HTC One S via Tapatalk 2
     
    Mr Najsman, Jun 2, 2013
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  23. Meaker@Sager

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    It needs some bios work but it should be ok in the end.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 2, 2013
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    how about physically? will the pci port be able to take the power and not fry?
     
    Silverfern, Jun 2, 2013
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  25. Meaker@Sager

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    I swear I gave the answer to that a page ago.... ;)
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 2, 2013
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    yes but the weird thing is i have heard people frying their 675m and pcie slots by over volting it? What voltage is the 780m gonna be running at?
     
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    No the 675M fried because there was too much voltage for the VRMs on the MXM module itself to handle when you upped the voltage.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 2, 2013
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    And who is gonna update that BIOS...?
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 2, 2013
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  29. Meaker@Sager

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    Some very talented folk in the community at the moment ;)
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 2, 2013
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    that sounds promising :) be patient people,always takes a month or two till all the kinks are ironed out for compatibility of newgen gpus in older clevo models :p unfortunately we dont have the luck that aw users have with their 3+ generation gpu plug n play upgradeability

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    jaybee83, Jun 3, 2013
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  31. Meaker@Sager

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    No, this goes for the EM too. Only 4th gen models will run it at the moment.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 3, 2013
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    So it's official? EM models will NOT support 7 series Nvidia cards?
     
    Ajfountains, Jun 3, 2013
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    NOT ... yet ;) (Hopefully)
     
    mythlogic, Jun 3, 2013
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    I swear Clevo has me feeling like I am dealing with a weeknight stripper; maybe I will get it, maybe i won't.

    Safe to assume that no one will know for sure for another month or so?
     
    Ajfountains, Jun 3, 2013
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    It should be sooner than that, trust me we are trying everyday to get it to work.. its just kinda slow going :)
     
    mythlogic, Jun 3, 2013
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    @Mythologic, Meeker, Prima et al., I have much faith in the NBR community.

    What puzzles me is, assuming it is all down to code (not hardware, ie new chips TDP is too much, etc), why Clevo doesn't make it easier to go from one generation of Gpu to the next? I struggle to see the business rational other than pushing people towards a new purchase (which may have just answered my own question).
     
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    Well we know clevo systems have a slightly different way of handling the EC that other systems and that this causes them a few issues.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 3, 2013
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    ++++1
    Have to agree with Ajfountains that Clevo deliberatley make it difficult for the community whilst the Dell/Alienware crew have it quite easy to say the least. Surely Clevo I understand want to sell their latest and greatest would make there EC/Bios more user friendly to tweak by the community??
    Leaves me with sour taste in mouth..welcome to Clevo...as this guy said it's like a stripper who dares you to put more cash in her knickers for more show..but do we get the FULL show??????
     
    TR2N, Jun 4, 2013
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    Wish I had all this information past year not now, I would definitely go with AW not Clevo P370EM3.
     
    TinyW, Jun 9, 2013
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    I dont see why. You will get a modded vbios in not too long and be ready to roll again.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 9, 2013
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    What guarantee is there of this and more importantly for next year's models of GPU's?
    I know for FACT that the Alienware notebooks are future upgradeable(look at m17xr2) and seem more easier to upgrade to the latest and greatest.
    Waiting for third suppliers to modify GPU Bios's doesn't quite make me feel more assured about future Clevo products and compatibility.
     
    TR2N, Jun 9, 2013
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    M15x rocking 7970m out there.
     
    baii, Jun 10, 2013
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    none whatsoever, its just a game of luck and (bios modding) skills pretty much ;) as for next year´s gpus, how would it be possible to give any warranty on a product that doesnt even exist yet? :p

    i guess thats what u pay the price premium for in alienware machines: potentially farther reaching gpu upgradeability and system bios access (OC options, etc)
     
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    HTWingNut, Jun 10, 2013
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    oh nice, thanks for the heads-up :)
     
    jaybee83, Jun 10, 2013
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    The 122watt I believe is based on the power boost that the newer Nvidia chips use. The PCIe slot should be fine, I'd worry more about the PSU, which is still the same 180 watt monster pack. But that can be easily remedied with a $35 awesome Dell slim 240.
     
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    I'd rather get an Asus over AW then, they are releasing a 780M model this year. And the design is much more ergonomic and unstated than AW. AW has even MORE lights on the newer models... : /
     
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    Which wont use a standard mxm slot at all. Its fine but totally stuck at its shipping gpu.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 11, 2013
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    Meaker, if I buy an OEM MSI laptop, there won't be any issue about future GPU compatibility, right? If its true, can you tell me which card to buy? Because i couldn't find any MSI branded GPU on eBay. The resellers just indicates which Alienware and Clevo models are compatible.
     
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