Geforce GTX 280M announced!

New nVidia graphics card is coming March the 3rd...I hope it fits in the M570RU!

I couldn't find any english site as source, so here is one via Google translate: http://74.125.93.132/translate_c?hl...rev=hp&usg=ALkJrhg_tta7HT6AMIA4RDVdU7jXfwWiQQ

EDIT: It has come to my attention that this is only a 9800M GTX with higher clocks. nVidias naming "scam" goes on...I've experienced this too many times now, so instead I hope an ATi Mobility Radeon 4870 fits into the M570RU. I would gladly go with that instead. I've had enough of nVidia...

 

The 280M seems like a higher clocked 3700M.

 

These things better be beasts, tired of nvidia just renaming things over and over and raising clocks a bit.

Though if they run much cooler than the 9 and 8 series due to new die size it might make some interesting overclocking challenges.

 

Its an overclocked 9800M GTX with 16 more pipelines.

Nvidia has really dropped the ball here. A 4850 at stock 500/850 will be as good as if not slightly better than that. Bump those speeds up to 585/950 like this new card and it would get absolutely crushed. ATi is going to have control of the high-range graphics area for a long time.

 

finally its coming. seems as though the can directly compete with ati 4850's and 4870's. Hope they're still MXM III.

 

LOL

im not regreting letting go of nvidia after the 8600m fiasco that im living to this day

 

so it actually is just a modified g92. it's like nvidia wants me to switch to ati.

 

Like others, I'm sick of nVidia debuting a new product only to find out it's a modified version of what they already have. Just remember, in many cases (especially with notebooks), it comes down to the drivers. ATI can have a card more powerful on paper, but if the drivers are not optimal and the nVidia drivers are, then I am almost certain we will see fairly equal comparisons.

 

Hope it is MXM 2.0 type III HE !!! NOT MXM 3.0 !!! Otherway you (and me) have not any chances to swap..
However let's see how fast it is...nvidia claims 50% faster than a 9800M GTX in warhead!!!
It will be impressive for a G92b chip!

 

Yep i think that my next PC laptop or desktop will be with ATI cards
it will be very good if clevo release support for 4870

 

impressive, or impossible.

 

Probably done in very 'controlled' environment with unreleased drivers...

 

This does not make sense, if there are just 16 extra shaders, why can't they do it in Sli on Clevo D900F? in all fairness, I've not seen NVIDIA Quadro FX 3700 mobile version running in Sli, whether driver issue or be it extra power reqirement; but this 55nm chip ought to bring greater power efficiency, and its not in the professional line, so SLi ought to be supported; then again truth be told, even if its available in Sli, it will only be able to take on the desktop 260...

Where as Ati managed somehow, stuffing 2.5 times as many shader into 4 series mobility package, while keeping it running cool in the case of MSI's GT725 (based on GT735 with 3850).

Yet NV cannot manage an extra 16 SPs into what is pretty much a 9800m GTX+?!? consider how much premium 9800m GTX there is over GT, I cannot see this reasonably priced, unless NV choose to compete with 4850 on price...

 

You're right quicklite..
however I think we'll see in SLi whitout problems

 

Well it appears that ATI are much better in making laptop video cards and this is the future

 

This really isn't news. It came out at CES that Nvidia's Q1 2009 plan is to transition the mobile G92 to 55nm, then the chips based GT200 architecture will be released in Q3-Q4 of this year.

Anyone wanna make a bet?

 

hows that.. what ?

 

the mobile computers are the future i mean and ATI are better in this way because they can make 800sp in their cards nvidia from 96sp up to 112sp and now to 128

 

This is a bit of dissapointment. I expected that the new 280M to be based on a desktop 200 series. And the 180M to be well... exactly what the 280M is. Knowing that I am already running my 9800M GTX at 600/1500 in terms of frequency there is much gain while the 16 shaders don't give much.

Overall I would expect a 10-15% performance increase over the stock 9800M GTX. If it comes dirt cheap I might upgrade, if not... oh well, better luck next ime.

 

This is how it was planned. The GT200 chips will be out at the end of the year.

 

and that's a good thing because?

 

They have totally different foundations of how their GPUs work. You can't compare the specs like that.

Otherwise you can totally incorrect statements like: nVidia has only ~100SP and it can compete with ATI's cards with 800SPs, therefore nVidia's SP are 8x more efficient...

 

Nah, the 4870 is faster than the GTX280 will be. If nvidia is claiming up to 50% greater performance than the 9800M GTX and the 9800M GTX is currently getting ~23FPS average on Crysis Warhead 1680x1050 All Gamer then the GTX280 will theoretically get ~34.5FPS. The HD4850 currently gets ~32FPS at the same settings in Crysis Warhead. Therefore, the HD4870 will definitely be better than this new card.

 

There's an important bit you neglected. ATI and Nvidia trade places when it comes to different games.

In some games, ATI does better, and others where Nvidia is superior.

This of course applies most when you're comparing cards that are very similar in performance. i.e. 8600M GT GDDR3, ATI 2600M GDDR3, 9500M GS, ATI HD3650 and etc. As you have noticed, the 4850 is better than the 9800M GTX, but that result is a fairly wide range, which illustrates the point I'm making. When a card performs better in a game or task, it doesn't necessarily mean it's X% better overall.

As for whether or not, the 4870s will be superior to the GTX 280 or whether it's the other way around, I'll leave it up to you guys to speculate.

 

conclusion:
Not to be a BRAND fanboy but a TECH fanboy..

The best card performance/cost take the crown..no matters how old is a card

The most important thing here in Clevo thread is the possibility to swap the card with proper BIOS SUPPORT !!

 

Stay on-topic and keep this thread free of further insults, thank you. I will close this thread if I have to come back here.

 

Do you guys think if Ati desktop 4890 shows up at Cebit, there would be a 4890 mobility version in the near future (Q3/4) to counter the true NV mobile GT200 series (not 8800m OC'ed) ?

 

Speculation is always fun. I like to speculate too. I'm going to speculate that nVidia is going to release a GTX 280M with 200 shader processors, 30nm GT212 chip, GDDR5 memory, 448 bits, and sprinkles on top (maybe green sprinkles). I also speculate that it's going to cost $200 per card, thus destroying the ATi cards for the price/performance crown.

 

I speculate that the 4890 will have GDDR8 memory, 2000 shader processors, and red sprinkles. I speculate the mobility version will have GDDR6 memory, 1800 shaders and half the sprinkles the desktop 4890 has. Oh, both of them will cost $100.

 

^lol!!

btw if 280 GTXm are priced right! i'll upgrade !!!

I like nvidia cuz of their drivers! + availability of performance enhancing custom made drivers!!

last time i checked ATi doesnt have proper mobility drivers! + time span b/w new driver releases is too long!

I have a HD4850 Crossire desktop! and i remember i had a really hard time setting up the cards in crossfire just cuz of the drivers!

 

Nvidia's drivers are confusing as hell. There are hundreds of versions and each person has to do extensive testing to figure out which one is the best and go through the hassle of updating, rolling back, driver cleaner, etc just to figure that out.

Also, nvidia only very recently started to support laptops and have only one version from the 179 series which is pretty old.

ATI spends time updating their drivers and updating drivers usually means an increase in performance and not a total guessing game. As for their mobility support, Im not sure but the modded scene is still alive for getting the latest desktop drivers to laptops.

This is all coming from a user with an 8800m -_-

 

This banter is great...But will it fit my 5796? LOL i love getting new parts to play with!

 

I'll be upgrading 128 shaders built on 55nm is good enough for me, for now.

The real GTX280 won't fit in mobile units till the next die shrink.

 

The thread has been cleaned up(many posts have been deleted). Since the user that was causing all the problems has been taken care of, this thread can continue for now...dont make Chaz come back here or he will close it.

 

lol, I was wondering why this thread was a bit shorter. Ya, that dude needed to chill out.

Back to topic

(cross fingers) hope, I HOPE 4870 work for the M860TU. But prolly not...... =(

 

so to conclude. nvidia wants to rebrand their current chipsets to offset the hype of the newly announced ati gpus. fine. in q3/q4 they will most likely come out with a faster gpu.

my question is, and taking into account the current mobile GPU prices, is there even the slightest chance that nvidia will beatt ati in the bang for the buck department?

most importantly, since i'm pretty confident that my next notebook will be a clevo, do they have like an exclusive with nvidia for high end gpus? what are the chances that clevo will offer the new ati chips in the near future?

 

Not quite. The new Nvidia GPU's are on 55nm which means they are cheaper and can run faster. It's not just a simple rebranding it's more than that but not enough to get us enthusiastic about running Crysis all maxed out on a 1000 USD notebook.

But hold on tight, I think in 2 years max we will be able to do so. I've just read somewhere about the upcoming 40nm Ati GPUs (Desktop) are coming in April and also Nvidia is going to be 40nm in less than year.

 

That seems to be exactly what it is. 3700M 128 CUDA vs. 9800gtx 112.

I know the 3700M in my previous M6400 with a QX9300 scored 12k on 3DMark06 as a single card with no overclocks. It was a beast of a card, imho.

Still, it seems Nvidia is a bit behind the current curve with the mobile 48XX parts coming out and Nvidia basically putting their Quadro solution introduced last year as their new card with higher clocks....

Ah well....

 

when ran with the old warhead benchmarking tool.

the 4850 got the same frames as a 9800m gtx when ran with the current warhead benchmarking tool.(18 to 20 fps) version 1.05. (when running version 25 thru 32 gain 30+ frames)also 32 frames (by a mobile 4850 card) we're beating desktop cards both gtx280 and hd 4870 desktop cards.
and beating all the test ran by others posted on the net.....im thinking the software is flawed like the first crysis benchmark tool. this is why they say use the in game benchmark tools or a version 1.05 for crysis.

other news:
we shall see in a few days though.... if this is a remake of a 3700 or what. and if that old 3700 beats out these high tech new technology reworked 800 shader ati cards....it's going to be interesting to see how this will be explained why old technology is beating state of the art new.....

flip side

could be a strait bust and nvidia may need to take a break and get to the old drawing board...but i know they had better not leave a monogrammed quadro fx 3700m stamped on my shinny new gt280 chip..*LOL* because i would take it apart to see for myself...

and who was the guy causing all the problems???

 

What is the die size of the FX 3700M? I've had no luck hunting down this info.

 

I'm pretty sure it's 65nm.

 

don't know kevin, but usually ichime can find that info pretty quick.

 

http://i41.tinypic.com/jqgh9g.jpg
If I can get this of 9800m GS, imagine GTX 280m OC'd

 

now try that crysis warhead with the updated benchmarking tool...
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1791

let me know what you get with this one.

im thinking the .024-032 is skewing the results....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units

 

Yeah it is. Speaking of which, going from 65nm to 55nm should give approximately a 8-10% decrease in power consumption, which would give a bit more headroom for overclocking and such.

 

GTX 260M is 55nm 9800M GTX but i think that will be much more overclockable than 9800M GTX which can really give 30-40% more performance on GTX 280M over 9800M GTX
like 9800GTX + is much more overclockable than 9800GTX

 

all means nothing if nvidia can't over come the AA hump.....

 

well will see

 

you know me...im all about waiting and seeing...
next week, specs get somewhat released...and another a week after that...the test should start to hit the forums