Gtx 485m?

Your not seriously expecting the HD 6970M to be faster than the GTX 485M? We know the benchmarks for the GTX 485M, we know the specs of the HD 6850, I guess the HD 6970M will be about 10% weaker than the desktop version (about 10% lower clocks), so that would mean a Vantage P GPU score of about 11500. About 10% slower than the GTX 485M.

Crossfire improves with every generation of new cards, but so does SLi and Nvidia still has better profiles.

But HD 6970M will clearly win in terms of price/performance ratio. It's just like in the desktop world, Nvidia brings out the most powerful card which costs a small fortune, while AMD focuses on bringing out very good cards with an affordable price tag.

 

i think even 28nm 7970m will have trouble beating gtx 485m at stock and mind you gtx 485m can be ocable as the flagship 7000m series will be only 25% faster than 6970m

 

Actually the difference will be more like 5%. It's very small really.

 

Actually, I do expect it to be very close. But we will know the answers in less than 2 weeks, since the AW M17X R3 will become orderable in 2 days from now

 

In other words, you don't know.

Thanks for confirming that. Does 100W mean it will not be possible to run in a w860cu or would it be possible with a more powerfull psu?

 

Any 28nm card will own any 40nm card if they have any clue what they are doing. OCing is not really an argument here, as both GTX 485M and HD 6970M have a lot of potential (probably about the same).

5% would be great considering the much lower price, but I still think it's going to be 7-10% in most games.

Guys, 100W is notebookchecks guess, although it should be about right. They wrote GTX 485M and HD 6970M "should have about the same TDP as the GTX 480M" long before we had any news about those cards. But it seems like the key to getting the GTX 485M to work in a 15" chassis is the dedicated memory heatpipe. Unless you can add that + a bigger PSU to the W860CU it will not work as it should.

 

That's so far in the future and with so little info that there's no point in speculating.

 

Exactly, but it isn't too hard to speculate on whether a ~100W card will work in a machine which was never intended to support one.

28nm mobile chips will steamroll anything you can imagine from the current 40nm products.

The 220W PSU coming with the 17" model all but confirms the high TDP. That's a 100W jump from the previous generations PSU.

 

Ahhh! I think I know why this card didn't get the 500M branding. All 500M cards are designed with Optimus in mind, the have Optimus support out of the box. I have a feeling that the 485M does not have Optimus support.

 

Nope. GTX 400M are all listed with Optimus support on Nvidia.com.

 

If you manage to cool it (zalman nc2000 or else) and get a bigger psu, there would be still no BIOS support in W860CU

Does anyone know which psu comes with the P150HM?

Who got any 6970M vantage benchmarks? I'm really interested.

ETA of P150HM? It was available yesterday on an eruopean site but without 485M. Since today, it has been removed though.

Can anyone confirm BIOS and TDP support of 6970M in W860CU?
I'm pro NV aswell, only had one ATI in my life. But when it comes to the possibility to keep my maxed W860CU, I sure choose ATI over 485M + P150HM simply because of price/performance

 

You have to remember that ati series 6xxx is more eficient performance per die area than the fermi architecture.

And i think this could be used to atis advantage allowing the possibility to bring more performance in the same thermal envelope. But somehow i dont think it will be the case.

But keep in mind we may yet be sursprised by ati. Even if 485m is a very powerfull desktop card.

Compared to the desktop world, i think its performance is on the levels of the 460 1gb version.
Correct me if i am wrong here.

 

Or it could be this reason (albeit sounding very, very stupid): they want to save the 5xx name to compete against ati 7xxx.

 

Nvidia wouldn't bother sitting on the last couple of 500M model numbers for a year.

My guess is the leftover GTX 400M aren't using the respun GPU yet (at least GTX 460M and GTX 470M aren't) and/or Nvidia is holding off to find out how high they need to clock to match HD6900M.

There's also the highly controversial 3rd scenario: Nvidia has seen AMD's performance numbers and realized their cards are slower. In order to keep Nvidia fans excited about their products they left them a ray of hope that a GTX 560M, GTX 570M, and GTX 580M will soon be released to win Nvidia back the top spot.

Nvidia has already played that game to a similar effect with the GTX 285M.

 

I take the fastest card!

doesn't matter is is Nvidia or AMD just don't make me use 2 PSU's please
for the price i think Nvidia need to stick with a $600 max value on the highest chip

I don't have any complaint about AMD their products are always affordable and very competitive

 

OK here is a google translated imformation about 5 6/7/8 0m from a system builder:

560/570/580 In fact, there are not many performance improvements
Mainly for power and heat on the laptop, it is rather to rationalize
While reducing the chip area used the cost can be reduced
485 will not short-term performance of rival

maybe he already got 580m.............since he was testing 480m during april 2010

 

That bit definitely losses something in the translation.

 

IS this a SLI score ? Cause a single gtx 485 scores 12k pgpu score.

 

180W according to the manual. About bios support and W860CU. Maybe bios version 1.18 addes bios support? But that's just speculation... however, how else could Eurcom have tested the HD 6970M in its W860CU models? Unless of course those were just fake benches...

 

Clevo X7200, 17.3" FHD, Single or Dual nVidia 480M Video Card SLi, DVDRW, Bluetooth

The x7200 is already being offered with SLI GTX 485m! EPIC! Sorry if this has already been posted.

 

^^ Yes, it can already be ordered with 485M's

 

For a service charge as little as 1300USD

Nothing would surprise me regarding Eurocom. I'm already using 1.18, there were no changes. Not that I expected them, but hopefully your're right (6970M support)

 

What's this about? I haven't seen any Eurocom posts.

Link?

 

I was wondering what determines whether a laptop supports graphics switching. Does it depend on the video card, laptop manufacturer, or is it drivers? And if the 485m doesn't support graphics switching, would that mean the graphics on the sandy bridge cpu will be for naught?

 

Notebookcheck, check out the benchmarks. There are also some news that Eurocom will equip their X8100, W8x0CU with those cards.

I guess it depends on the GPU itself and the motherboard has to support it.

 

THe 6970 is already an option under configurations.

 

Where, Eurocom?

The proof of the benchmarks are offline as I said.
The only source is Eurocom, not very reliable, is it?

485 has got Optimus, so it is likely that it'll support graphics switching? Am I missing something?

 

Optimus is listed as a feature of the GTX 485M but notebook manufacturers don't have to implement it if they don't want to. Optimus is far from working smoothly and it's a feature I personally would stay away from on a high-end gaming notebook.

A traditional graphics switching feature would've been nice, and I think most would accept the extra cost it adds.

 

Yeah for the panther. Its 110 cheaper than the 470m supposedly.

 

I do not want Clevo to use Optimus, as it's a freaking nightmare right now.

Obligatory Eurocom lol. They always love to pretend they have some exclusive ****, and it always proves to be false. I hate that.

Seriously, have they ever been proven right about anything?

 

^ They were proven that they are horrible when it comes to customer service.

Optimus is a good addition but if you look at the M11x Forums you'll see a lot of people are having problems with some games.

 

I want manually operated GPU switching. Depending on the system to get it right is not ideal or efficient.

Give me a button to press, which toggles Optimus on/off.

 

What?! so from a single 460 to SLI 485 is $1300 more! plus $200 for the extra PSU! and i was wonder why they remove the 470 from the configuration lol.

 

No, the 2nd PSU and converter box come with the SLi upgrade...

 

its like a package deal already, but that power converter cord *ugh* i hope the cord is longer. i wonder how 485 sli will perform.

 

That sounds better but still they don't supposed to remove the 470 from the config. if is working perfect on SLI and it don't need extra power is obvious why they removed because is close to 485 performance and that will kill a lot of sales

 

Not true...the 470M is just out of stock for the next couple of weeks. It will be back by the end of the month or so.

 

wow thanks for confirming that then my fault

 

ei,i just bought my x7200 last november with i950 cpu. is it possible to buy sli 485gtx to upgrade my laptop?

 

yes it does.

 

Is that the 485M SLI micro-stuttering?

 

so lemme get this straight... GTX 470m is 75 TDP, 485m is 100 TDP right?

 

Sadly we have no definite numbers for either card. But the GTX 485M is probably a little under 100W TDP for the whole MXM board.

 

as long the psu that the machine using at 180w, it should be save.

 

It's likely. The number of cores from the 470M is a direct linear scale to the number of cores on the 485M when you compare the ratio of a 100W TDP to a 75W one. They should have never made the 480M and the 485M should have been the 480M. I feel bad for all the W880 and 7280 guys who bought the 480M's.

 

I don't.

Almost all of the Sager/Clevo regulars were telling them to wait for GF104.

 

+1.
Like the M-Button which I am using regularly.. sets my system to ~40W with a 16W CPU. Otherwise it would hibernate right after booting running on batteries.
I hope the P150HM has it as well?

So the 6970M could be 75W per Die, right?

I seriously can't understand how a company like Eurocom can still operate. There have to be many lawsuits against them? But that's another story

 

as long as my x7200 is upgradable for future cards,im all good.im happy with my sli 480mtgx anyway.

 

it is, it aces most games i play except the metro, i don't give a bull about scores, if it plays fluently then its okay with me.

 

i just want my 485gtx sli to play crysis 2 on max res with high with awesome fps.

crysis 1 plays high max set with 40 to 60 fps.the thing is,the game is not optimized enough.basically,htere are parts which will slowdown no matter the res or settings u get.