Gtx 485m?

Yeah, I do expect that range.

At more than $700, I'll probably wait for the 6970M.

 

6970M is just a 6850. Alone it's powerful, better than the 5870M, but that's nothing to brag about since that was 128-bit. 6970M will get rocked by the 485M. The 485M is solid. 256-bit with a whopping 384 shaders at a decent 575mhz. You'd need 6970M in Crossfire to beat it, and that's only in DX9/DX10 games at WUXGA. In Metro 2033 DX11, 485M would only be 10-20% slower than Crossfire, because it's a shader heavy card and a shader demanding engine, as future DX11 titles will be. The fact you can put the 485M in a 15" chassis and still have a powerful rig is incredible.

This puts the 280M I had to shame. Three times as many shaders... sheesh

 

3x the shaders, AND they are much more capable/efficient shaders (and 40nm tech)

 

HD6970M is based on desktop HD6850. GTX 485M is desktop GTX 460 with 14% more shaders.

In desktops HD6850 out performs GTX 460 1GB by about 5%, and Crossfire scaling has been improved to upwards of 90%.

So I think you're estimations are a bit on the low side for HD6970M.

It's 3x the shaders but it's not 3x the schedulers. GF104/114 arch only has enough superscalar schedulers to guarantee that 256 cores can run 100% of the time when needed. The remaining 128 cores can only run if the schedulers are not tied up waiting on instructions to complete.

Allegedly core for core Fermi is less capable than G200.

 

However the GTX 280m is not based on GT200 core, it is based off the older G92

 

Wasn't much difference between the notebook G200 cores and the G92 cores besides the die shrink.

For the amount of silicon it used G92 was pretty efficient, which was why it could be priced so competitively against the Mob. HD4000 series.

 

Even if this is all true, the 6970M is nothing to laugh at. If I was given the choice between a 485M and a 6970M of course I would pick the 485m. However, I can't justify spending that much money on a video card. I would gladly take a performance hit for the lower price of the 6970.

I was a little bummed when I saw the first two Sandy Bridge Clevo offerings are paired with either the 460, 470, or 485M. I was looking to buy one in the next few weeks but didn't want to spend the money on the 485M.

 

Here are some scores a guy can believe in. From the Sager NP7280

 

But at what cost? Is another $900 GPU really something you'll stand up and support?

It's actually trading blows with the 6850; performance-wise, it's a leap from my GTX 260M which I probably can't fathom, but my sensibilities say that it's advantage over the single 6970M won't be worth the premium.

And if you really think a lone 485M will trade blows with Crossfire 6970M, well I think your excitement has warped your judgment.

6970M is looking like ~March.

 

X7200 + 485M SLi + 3rd party B+RG screen = orgasmic. My next notebook will definitely be an X7200 with SB refresh and some dual nVidia GPU loving. Hopefully by then Clevo will have implemented their backlit keyboards as well.

 

I'll most likely be waiting for the 6970M to release before deciding to buy a laptop with a high end gpu. I haven't followed the history of mobile gpus, but how drastic of a price drop have nVidia's gpus been after the ATI's release?

 

6970m beats 485m in price though
2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 485M Fermi; 384 CUDA cores; 256-bit; 598 Gigaflops; DX11; MXM 3.0b; 100W [$785]
2GB GDDR5; AMD Radeon Mobility HD6970M; 256-bit; 960 Stream Processors; DX 11; MXM 3.0b; 75W-100W [$456]

 

Eurocom's pricelist is not to be trusted. the GTX 470M/460M prices they originally posted were way lower than the reality. IIRC, they were off by $200 on the 470M

 

Either way, the GTX 485 will be much more expensive than the 6970m. The only thing on nVidia's side is the fact that the 485M will probably be available to the public earlier.

 

The nVidia 485M is available to the public now...
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the 485 plus snb and optimus, thats as close to perfection we can hope for at our present tech.
ive always been partial fo nvidia because i use cuda for video editing.
however they have to be reasonable and price this competitively. the price of the 470m was ridiculous.
if not, and ati can figure out switchable graphics, im shifting allegiances.

 

Donald, are those numbers stock?

 

Well it looks like it's $700...
Plus the sandy bridge which is going to be a lot. Do we have any SB reviews?

 

Sandy Bridge is offered to manufacturers for no more than Clarksfield, according to one article I read.

And $700 I think I could probably swallow.

 

Any side by side comparisons with current i7?
As in i7 950, 980X, etc.

 

If that's a stock run, - wow, on par with GTX 580

 

Yes, nothing is overclocked.

 

Then that has my attention!

 

Basicaly the 485m is a desktop 560 with lower clocks.

The 950 i7 and 460m sli with 12gb ram that i have now will get upgraded with 990x, 3x8gb ram and the next 485m in sli, wich i think its gonna be a full geforce 114 chip in the 28nm process with 2 or maybe 4gb in ram aka Geforce 580m.

Now that is gonna be an upgrade worth doing.

Anyone who has now 950 i7 with 460m sli or Better should not botther uograding unless they have money to burn.

 

No one buys these laptops period unless they have money to burn

And the 580m will be 40nm when it comes out, not 28nm

 

Or if they are desperate for the bleeding edge and rinse the house rent on one...

 

Just like what I've done, am doing, and plan to do

 

The point i was trying to make was that when i upgrade my gpus, ill make sure theyre 28nm.

 

Then you are looking to upgrade sometime this autumn.

 

Do you have any specific information?
Was planning to upgrade to 6970m or to the new 15" with 485m...

 

Don't be surprised if mobile 28nm doesn't see the light until CES 2012.

 

If nvidia will actually keep 485M top of the game for "a while" like they said, then I except 5xxM series to come out around summer. And by come out I mean announcement. But yeah, it wouldn't be a surprise if 28nm will come out in 2012.

 

Why the people is so worried about numbers 380-480-580
The 485M is the 580m people are waiting for just not with the name but who cares if is 2 times faster than a single 460M lol

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...28nm-mobilty-hd7000-series-coming-2012-a.html


TSMC and GloFo won't have 28nm high-performance production going before the second half of the year.

 

yes, some of the 500m is just higher clocked renamed 400m.............

 

TSMC said they are on schedule and first chips should start shipping in autumn this year.

 

Good news, my x7200 from Kobalt just got upgraded from a GTX480M SLI to GTX485M SLI as they said Nvidia were immediately phasing out the 480! Quite pleased with this result naturally!

 

Prepare for ludicrous gaming performance.

 

This should be the advertisement for an x7200 + 485M SLi:

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Don't forget the 6900M CF.

 

I don't think the 6970M CF will match the 485M SLi.

 

We still don't know for sure, but it could be close (~10% behind) and being half as cheap would definitely score some attention. I'd personally prefer the 6970M's.

 

Sorry if I'm a bit slow but can someone confirm or disconfirm if the Gtx 485m will fit the W860CU? Is it 100W or what? (no pun intended)

 

It would be 10% behind if Crossfire would be anywhere near SLi but it's just not. The GTX 485M is faster than the 6970M as it is, and Crossfire will only increase the gap. Your right about the price though, GTX 485M SLi will be prohibitively expensive.

 

Crossfire is much improved with Barts' front end.

Two desktop HD6850 in Crossfire climb just above the performance of the HD5970 and puts it about 10% faster than GTX 460 1GB SLI at 1920x1200 resolution. Crossfire HD6850 is much closer to the performance of GTX 470 SLI on the desktops.

 

Your assumption is based on one spooky benchmark leak, which means very little at this point. 6970M may surprise us quite soon

 

People are wooed by the GTX 485M's vantage scores, myself included. However, a desktop 6850 scores lower than both the GTX 460 768MB and 1 GB versions in Vantage, but beats both in real world gaming for the most part. Who knows if the same principle will apply here, but the real value will be in how far both cards (485M and 6970M) can overclock.

 

Comparing gaming benchmarks vs the 6850, I see that the 486M matches it on nearly every test. How far below the 6900M falls, will be interesting.

Fit in the MXM slot ? Yes.

Work without issue ? Questionable.

Work and not overheat? Remain doubtful, until someone tests it.

As far as wattage goes, it's well over 75W, if not right at 100W.

 

Let's wait for 3dmk11 and ingame results as they are DX11 cards.
I remember only one 3dmk06 result, which looked promising though. AFAK there won't be a 485m for W860CU, only P150HM and up with dedicated VRAM heatpipe. Maybe the 6900M would fit, that would be a huge advantage IMHO as I would not have to upgrade the whole chassis and CPU.

 

Yes, 100W, same misery as the GF100 although it could run a bit cooler because of GF104 structure.
Don't forget BIOS Support and battery usage, there would be no optimus (possible that you might use it on battery as it's still a laptop)