Gtx 580m

in surfing the internet I came across a site that already sells the GTX 580M, must add to 350 euro over the GTX 460M for it.
SANTECH SANTECH N67 - SANTECH Notebook

 

That's strange since it isn't even on the Nvidia site yet.

 

Nvidia sometimes does not list things right away.

It is due out very soon, like in the next 30 days...

What sucks is my laptop is ordered, not even here yet and I have the 485M Yea I could OC it for same speed but rather not to help save every ounce of power lol plus the 580 will OC by as much about as the 485m

My CPU and GPU alone are 145W, these poor 180w psu going to die... lol

Anyway if you look on Sager site right now you will see the 485m is on back order... I will give you a hint. They generally do this right before a new item release because they don't want to order the old model with a new model part weeks away...

Same with these better screens on sale. Odds are they will become the new default screen on many setups.

 

580M = waste of money.

Why would you be sad that you are getting a 485M? That card is MORE than enough to handle ANY of today's games and probably will be able to for the next 2-3 years.

Then again, people could always wait until the official release of the 580M and by then, Nvidia will announce the 680M. If you keep waiting for the next technology to be released, then you might as well NEVER buy. Read between the lines people. It is how these companies become filthly rich. They rebrand a product and call it something different and there will always be nimrods that shell out an extra 350 bucks for it. Not to mention, that it will play the games no different than the top of the line card available today. Wait, your 3D Vantange score that nobody cares about will go up by 100 points.

 

Oh I know something new always comes out, just upsets me when that happens and I dont even have what I ordered yet lol (not anyones fault specific though, just horrible timing.) See the thing is sager avoides this somewhat by doing like they did. They stop production until the new parts come in, IE the 485 listed as BO just as the 460M did before the 560M hit...

If I had the laptop in hand I cant complain, thats the normal trend... Just sucks that I missed the window by a few days... The fact I was one of them numrods to shell out the extra because I didnt want to start out behind, which I already am without even delivery.

Oh well, is my luck.

 

I've learned to leave the hype behind. These tech companies have mastered making everything they release sound so much better than the previous version. The reality is that the hardware is only as good as the software that it is required to run on. At this point, there have not been drastic innovations in the games that would require such a change. That being said, Nividia, ATI make minor changes to existing chipsets and throw a boatload of marketing materials behind it. Investors need constant cash flow and what better way to do it...

 

Oh I agree, but my only side is if you have object a and object b, both same price but b is little better, wouldn't you want b?

Or think of cars, you buy a car, say before get out the door after signing the paper they say oh, we just got a new one in today, it is 15% better on gas and faster wouldn't you be a little upset?

Anyway no point in us beating this. We all know something new will always come out and most of us accept that, I learned this a long time ago. Just still learning the accept something how it is before you even got its older part hah.

 

Since the 580m's arrival is imminent, I'm guessing it'd be safe to assume that ATI's 6970m successor (6990m?) cannot be far behind?

 

Its a little bit more behind, prob a few months... The 580 will be out in 1-2 weeks though.

 

One of these products is weeks away from release, while the other is nearly a year. Big difference.

And if the 580M is indeed cheaper than the 485M, that's enough to make someone regret paying for the latter.

 

It's a big assumption that the the 580m will outperform the 485m with zero benchmarks to go by. The 470m outperforms the 480m. I'd bet that the 485m will retain the top spot.

 

I stand corrected.

Maximum PC | Nvidia Reportedly Working on GeForce GTX 580M Chip for Notebooks

 

according to a representative Santech, the delivery of their first notebook incorporating the GTX 580M will be held on 22/06/2011.
his name is "putino79", look in the last reply.
[Thread Ufficiale] - Santech N67 (Clevo P150HM Barebone) - Pagina 70 - Hardware Upgrade Forum

 

SANTECH Notebook

"The new VGA is already booked on our website. Products with the new options will be assembled and shipped from 22/06/2011 ..> (VIA Google Translate)

So I'm guessing that implies a June 22 release date?
IF they have their facts straight and completely disregard any NDAs...

 

Putino is not a Santech's Rep., but one of their customer;
The website states shipping will start from June 22nd, the only available infos are:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M 2,0GB GDDR5 dedicati
Memory Interface 256bit
Socket MXM 3.0 TypeB
NVIDIA PhysXT, NVIDIA CUDAT technologies
HDMI 1.4a - Direct X 11 compatibile

and that they charge 590 EUROs for her (200 EURO plus than for a 6970M which they list at 390 euros)
(taken from their website

Well, let's stay tuned as manifacturer should disclose soon the real infos and some benches about the 580m gtx;
With My regards

 

If you can get the 485 now, i dont think 580 is gonna mean more fpsin games.
However, if one has 460msli now and upgrades to 28nm dual 100W gpus, morelikely 680m, the differenceinperformancewill be,i think, between 3and4times bigger.

An upgrade worth doing.

 

ooops wrong thread

 

Hopefully, 8130/50 owners will be able to upgrade to something as far down the line as the 685M.

Mr. Mysterious

 

+1
hope the next, next next gen vga card are all mxm 3.0 type b and max 100w tdp

 

The thing is, Clevo will be releasing brand new notebooks, by the time 28nm GPUs are available. Brand new motherboards and everything.

I doubt they'll add GPU support to the P150HM and P170HM.

 

Here's hoping!

Mr. Mysterious

 

I'm with you man. I ordered an NP8150-S1 with a 485. Called and changed my order to a faster processor and now I see it's on back order. For once I'm not in a hurry to get my new laptop if it means I have a chance at getting a 580 vs 485.

I think it's a safe assumption the 580 will be a bit faster than the 485. I'm hoping it's a little faster, a little cooler, and uses a little less power like the desktop steps from the 4xx to 5xx cards. I’d be happy with just cooler and less power actually.

We will see what happens.

 

Its possible you will still get a 485m... They will still be getting some, you may want to ask your reseller if they could put the order on hold so you can change the card in case they do happen to have one and you end up with it ehe.

In my case my order was sent to reseller already and they are thinking about letting me get the 580m but will require me to pay shipping to have them send back to sager for the swap, which is understandable but this has not been approved yet so does not mean a reseller can and will or that I will get to even.

Never hurts to ask though.

 

Guys 485m its' an awsome gpu! 580 won't be that better so if I was you Bryanu I would be very happy with the 485 set up!

 

I will admit worrying about getting a 580 or 485 is not a horrible problem to have. Just since we are buying new right now... why not get the latest and greatest and enjoy that little extra hedge on obsolescence and hopefully that little extra performance?

 

Well for someone who is using a 460M, I would definitely buy the 580M if it is more than 10% of an improvement over the 485M.

Mr. Mysterious

 

The news blackout is working.
The only info I found was that the 580 will be faster than 485.

 

When would the blackout end? I just gotta know so that I can pace myself, lol.

Mr. Mysterious

 

I still have my fingers crossed for 580m release date not later than this month + 3D matte display = overkill setup for the next couple of years) While mobile gaming industry is not so developed we can't explore some leaked benchmarks of the upcoming GPU's as we always observe on desktop cards. And no precise release date either. That's sad...

 

I decided to stop worring about it and let it be a surprise. My 8150 will show up from Xotic with either with a 485 or 580. I'm thinking I can't really lose either way. Rolling the dice... c'mon 580......

 

Why not just ask them to put a hold on the order, until the new options show up.

 

On clevo driver site for p150hm there is a driver for GTX580m that was just upped

 

Yes of course it is coming. It is in the manuals too..

nVIDIA® GeForce GTX 580M PCIe * 16
Video Card
2.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM On Board
Supports Microsoft DirectX® 11.0
Supports HDCP
Supports DVI Dual Link
Supports HDMI 1.4
NVIDIA PhysX™
GeForce CUDA™ Technology
_

 

Oh tricky people... I've been checking Nvidias site for drivers I did not think to check Clevo.

 

Since the release now seems a little more certain to be a matter of days I did just that. Verified the drivers on clevos site are indeed for the 580m and the manual does have it listed as an option for my model. Shot xotic an email and asked them to hold off until the 580m is indeed an option. Now I wait and hope it's not a dud but Nvidia seems to be doing OK with the 460/560/485 so the 580 should be fine.

 

I'm going to hold a little longer and wait to see how the first batch does, or if it is enough of an improvement....

Guess I'll be asking you a lot of questions over the next few days, Joe

Mr. Mysterious

 

Youre planning to get a new laptop is it ?

 

Nope, the graphics card

Mr. Mysterious

 

I've decided not to get any new laptop until I see the benchmarks of 580M SLI since something tells me if I get the upcoming Alienware MX18 with the 560M SLI when that is released I'm going to have buyers remorse Im a little concerned about buying from a company I never heard of until these forums (as I'm used to Dell)...but I may give them a shot.

 

Here's another good reason to buy the GTX 580M as soon as it comes out: Battery Life. It doesn't look like Clevo is going to implement switchable graphics anytime soon, so the idle power consumption of the GPU is very important.

If you compare the P501 and the Racer reviews on Notebookcheck, you'll notice the battery runtime goes down by an hour if you go for the 6970M instead of the GTX 485M.
This is the exact same test! Specs are very similar; there's no SSD involved (2630QM vs. 2720QM and standard drive vs. Momentus XT). The bottom line is that the Green side has better power throttling than the Red's.

On top of that: The 6990M's power consumption will not be better than the 6970M, whereas nVidia's power consumption should be improved since they are moving to a more efficient chip (GF104 -> GF114).

If the GTX 580M is 10% faster than the HD 6970M and has at least an hour extra battery life, I'm buying it!

PS: Please don't think I'm some kind of fanboy, I'm just stating facts!

 

Just to clarify: An hour battery life idle.

It's good, but no one honestly thinks about battery life when buying a gaming laptop, let alone the top-end mobile graphics card.

Mr. Mysterious

 

To be more elaborate, the exact differences:

Idle: ~ 75 minutes
DVD Playback: ~ 48 minutes
Load: ~ 52 minutes

That comes down to an average difference of 58 minutes.
Shame they don't have a web-surfing test on the P501!

I disagree with you on your argument; there are plenty of people who are torn between the M17x R3 and the P150HM.
Some end up buying the AW for the battery life.

 

I do, because I use my laptop on the road!

 

Yes, they'll buy it for the supposed battery life, but they won't think sensibly about it

If they were truly serious about battery life (and not gaming) then obviously they wouldn't pick such a power-hungry GPU.

Switchable graphics is nice, but it's nothing compared to the real thing.

Mr. Mysterious

 

Kinda odd that Clevo didn't think about using switchable integrated graphics for these machines...

 

I am hoping they will with Ivy Bridge. I kinda need to upgrade by then.
I just hope they will bring back 16:10 in their high-end models (I know they won't). Also I intend to system build my laptop just like a desktop.

 

I'll give a shout out when I get the sucker and take requests for tests.

 

Switchable graphics works well most of the time or Dell would not officially support it. It just takes a little more work and engineering. Non-switchable graphics is just a giant waste of power and a heat generator that hurts the long term reliability of your laptop as well as wearing down your battery.

1 hour of battery on a laptop is nothing compared to the real thing. My system will be sold the minute a high performance switchable graphics option comes out that is not ugly like Alienware or Asus. Battery life is important to a lot of people.

If I needed that much power, I would just hook up a desktop graphics card to the laptop which is possible with some minor modding. Why did you buy the NP8130 and not the NP8150 if you want more graphics power? I bought the NP8130 because a matte screen and battery life were more important to me than 15 more frames per second.

 

Because it was within my budget, and because I knew I'd be upgrading the graphics card down the line.

Mr. Mysterious

 

I do feel the discrepancy between CPU power and the weaker 460M but I guess there's no real solution right now if cost and battery life are concerned. I'm still holding out for switchable graphics and a backlit keyboard as my only two wishes over the current system.