Gtx 580m

Electric - I was in the same boat as you, and I really wanted switchable graphics (even a BIOS switch would be OK) and backlit keyboard (I love it on my Asus G72) when the latest P150/P170's hit the retailers in Jan '11.

Over the past 6 months, I have come to the realization that Clevo/Sager doesn't have the stones to implement switchable graphics on their high-end systems, and 2.5hrs on the P170 is still better than ~1hr on my G72. For the backlit keyboard, seems like a simple thing for Clevo to implement, but I'll use a USB keyboard light for those rare occasions (or flex the display down to light the keyboard).

I've been on the sidelines since January, and my Asus G72 really starting to show its age so assuming Nvidia doesnt screw up the 580M, I'm ready to take the plunge. If the 680M wont fit in an MXM 3.0 slot, I'll upgrade again next summer (hopefully, a ~1yr old P170 can get 50-60% resale value).

Hopefully, that NDA will lift in ~6 days, and some initial reviews will be published so I can start the eCheck process.

 

Im just curious, if i want to upgrade from 460m sli to 580m sli, where do i buy them from ? Should i ask mysn.de to send them to me with cooler included ? Do i need a modified bios for the x7200 ?
Should i send them the laptop so that they can instal them ?

I'm asking since i'm plannin to upgrade from 460m sli to 680m sli, and i just want to know what must be done.

Or who knows, perhaps i will go to gettin directly the x7200 succesor if it will be improved accordingly (metal chasis, proper hdmi in, etc...

 

I think it's better to ask mysn that. Usually it's not a problem but they might consider voiding your warranty if you install the parts yourself.

 

Hmm, so just for clarity people that already own the P150HM we should be able to swap out the GTX480 for a GTX580 granted we can find one for sale correct?

 

Yes, AFAIK you won't even need a BIOS update. The cards will be available for separate purchase shortly after launch.

 

I bet it's released next Monday)

 

I'm preordering the x7200 tomorrow and was told they'll just hold it for me until the 580's are in, which I personally expect next week.

 

So there will be such a thing as 6990CF/580M SLI, that's very interesting. The only thing is to wonder how their appearence impacts the final price tag)

 

Alright, so Nvidia Quadro FX 5010M Graphics with 4GB DDR3 Video Memory is listed on sager website for np7282 from today! and now i doubt they release 580m next week...

 

Still no 580m on Xotic, and I check every morning (clearly I need help). Here's hoping the date of the 22nd is accurate. Sooner would be OK, too.

 

It may have been pushed until the 27th i am hearing now so if not 22nd maybe 27th (folowing monday)...

 

You are so optimists !

 

Open the 1.00.10 bios of x7200 and find:

 

im also waiting for this before getting 8170 ...

Hope it wont be long

Can share some info sir ?

 

looking forward to flash slave 485m with 580m bios.........(if 580m is gf114 not gf100/110)
if no luck then master 485m still can boot & flash it back
if it success then just upgrade bga core to gf114

 

No matter how I try I keep wanting to upgrade from current 460M SLI to a single 580M.. So current speculation is better battery life with optimus and about 15-20% improvement on 485M?
How are we sure that 580M won't be a fail like 480M?

 

The BIOS and drivers also are already available, but this mean only that the card will be available one day

For example the GTX 560M drivers and BIOS were there since like 1 month. Only yesterday, I contacted Clevo, they told me that they don't have it yet (at least for a separate cards purchase, because normally cards are available on new shipped notebooks first, then they could be available for upgrades)

 

So I'm not the only one with a shortcut to Sager and Xotics web sites on my desktop to check for the 580m.

I put my order on hold waiting for the 580m... Since I' dropping the big bucks for a new machine I want the shiny new stuff in it

 

Drivers and BIOS support are available on Clevo's website for the ATI M4870 (M570TU). But the card never became available.

 

Where do you get your info from, if you don't mind me asking?

Is your reseller keeping you up to date about the GTX 580M?

 

Hi Blacky

Other than listed in BIOS does 4870M ever listed in the driver download list and service manual ?

Just curious

 

why would anyone want to get the soon to be released 580m when the amd 7000 series is around the corner, either Q3 (close from now) or early Q4 at most. I understand no one can keep up with tech, but I mean if there is common knowledge that the next best thing is around the corner (28nm) wont it be wiser just to wait? IMO (Kepler 6xx most likely end or middle of Q4)

 

the high end 7000 series for laptops is more than 9 months away

 

and the ones destined for Q3 2011 are the mainstream ones, not the high end cards. Those would be in Q2 2012.

 

Yes it was,look for yourself:

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I wish I could get my hands on such a beauty. Theoretically it is a bit better than the 280M.

 

Again, this kind of behavior has been discussed at length. The biggest cliché in tech applies here: There's always something new around the corner.

For me, when to buy a laptop depends on the state of your current laptop and/or a specific purpose that you want the new laptop to serve over your current one.

For example: The Clevo P150HM with GTX 580M should have (one of) the fastest mobile GPU's on sale at BF3 launch, while still being somewhat portable and understated.

The 28nm high-end mobile GPUs you're refferring to are not even close to being released. Those will not see the light of day until next year.

 

C'est la vie. It's how the technology world is structured and how it progresses. It's a never-ending cycle with them

Mr. Mysterious

 

Not to mention, the mobile CPU and GPU technology at that point will be highly refined versions of what's currently out; I doubt much better will see the light of day without entirely new architectures. And with new architectures comes that oh-so-annoying trial-and-error phase. Like how they "accidentally" released the 470M being more powerful than the 480M flagship, and in desktop land we had the GTX 500 series being better, more-refined versions of the GTX 400 lineup. I say when the GTX 500M series has wind and some stable drivers, it's going to be the new sweet-spot in timing.

Now if I could only find a way to sell my D900F for enough that I won't need more than $1000 USD extra for a fantastic P170HM with those sweet 3D glasses...

 

Agreed. However, there is no concrete release date on anything. I highly doubt you work in AMD's or Nvidias R&D department and even if you did you would be under NDA. Therefore, you cannot say with certainty that these new chips will be out in 2012 - when there are alot of resources on the web that states otherwise, including the company's gpu release maps. I should also mention that 2011 release may not be true as well it can sway both ways. That being said, 2011 can hold some potential promises (we already are in the half of it).

 

AMD generally launches their new mobile series at CES, and the rumored roadmaps put their top mobile 28nm GPU, Wimbledon, at a Q2 2012 release.

 

But even then, it's gonna be a new architecture entirely. Those new releases are going to get dated fast, kind of like how fast their 5000 series vanished from the mobile market...

 

The Mob. HD5000 series cards are still on the market as HD6000M cards.

The new arch and die shrink is rumored to be bringing a 25% increase over Blackcomb but not much else. Maybe they'll get Powertune and maybe they'll get some Dual Graphics support with Trinity but otherwise there's probably not going to be many new features added to the HD7000M series that HD6000M doesn't already have.

A 25% performance increase that's potentially a full year away doesn't date anything "fast".

 

Well considering that their highest-end mobile cards from both AMD and nVidia can show up current-gen entry-level-high-end cards (notebookcheck lists the 485M as being more powerful than a stock GTX 460, as well as a 5850), a solid 25% increase over that would make it pretty much on-par with the current maximum level desktop cards. That's at least what I think. If the desktops can make such a leap by then... well. That'll be the day.

But until developers start making games for the PC first, so that they take advantage of our hardware properly, then the 6000M/GTX500M series should be all we'll need for a LONG time.

 

A story between Clevo & me :

(Sorry, I don't have the quote, I accidently deleted the message): Clevo replied few days later that they don't produce this card and I may be confusing with the GTX 460M

I repeated reading their answer several times, trying to understand what this mean exactly. Well, I understood that they don't have this product. They should having use Google Translate or something..

 

But it made me mad that two days after I ordered 460M, 470M came out..

 

Those are completely different cards right? The 560m is the predecessor to the 460m...

 

how much performance can we even expect with the 580m? 10% from 485m?

 

No idea. From what I see on nVidia's website, the 560M vs the 460M, while the memory config is the same, the stock core clocks are 100MHz faster and the shader clock is 200MHz faster. Considering that I seem to get a bonus of some games turning into "playable at max" versus "playable at a mix of Medium and high" with an overclock of 70MHz core, 50MHz on memory and 150MHz shader on a 280M GPU (and anything relatively higher is unstable without overvolting), I'll say it's about 15% or so better.
Plus, the best thing is, the 560M with a proper clock speed difference over the 460M (unlike the 280M and 285M which can be considered exactly the same card), the 560M will be overclockable. It's also *not* using the GF106 core as the 460M uses, rather the GF116, which is apparently power-optimized. It should be better for overclocking too. Basically, it's a worthy upgrade, which costs the *same* price as a GTX 460M. Seems the 400M series is being replaced by the 500M entirely.

So if this follows trend with the 580M vs 485M, going also to the GF114 core over the GF104, then you can pretty much expect 10-15% power increase on base clocks, better overclockability, less heat at that, and possibly longer batter life. For the same price. Rejoice and be glad. The IT Gods have shined their tech-filled will down upon us in the form of a boon.

 

Sounds perfect? Who will we have to sacrifice to them though?

Mr. Mysterious

 

Whoever's sacrifice will get me a P170HM maxed out, of course.

 

Nvidia GeForce GTX 580M Release Date Leaked - Softpedia

 

just thinking why 580m not 4gb gddr5......or it will soon out
the lower 560m have 128bit 1gb/192bit 1.5gb/192bit 3gb

 

GTX580 desktop can crash any mobile card right now.
It just has 1.5GB.

 

Agreed, 4GB GDDR5 is just way overkill. However, keep in mind that most mobile GPU's have such ridiculous amounts of memory to handle dual-screen configurations.

Most desktop GTX 580's are hooked up to a single monitor, while plenty of Alienwares or Sagers are hooked up to an external 1080p capable display in addition to the internal display. In these situations, the higher amounts of memory really make a difference.

 

Hey DGDXGDG got any newest info from Taiwan about 580M ?

You think it will be released next week ?

 

Seeing as how their website has removed the entire GTX 400M series from the direct lineup (You have to check older models; if you click on products for "notebooks" you only see from the 520M to the 560M) and the other cards are on back order... I'll say it could very well be out next week. nVidia isn't actually stupid enough to pull their flagship powerhouse from the market without a replacement for anything more than a week or two.

 

If we do indeed see the 580m giving a 15 - 20% increase in FPS over the 485m, which desktop graphics card would it then be comparable to? Anyone have an educated guess?

 

Just as the 485m was comparable to the desktop GTX 460, we can probably say that the 580m is comparable to the GTX 560 (maybe Ti).

 

How? GPU memory usage while on the desktop with a FHD screen in Win7 with Aero and all the effects enabled is ~80MB. It's not like you are going to run games on 3840x1080.

 

There *must* be a reason mobile GPUs have ridiculous memory amounts over desktop GPUs though. It can't just be for bling; that's too expensive, and while people buy nVidia in spite of being more expensive than AMD, I doubt they'll be willing to push it *that* much.