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    Gtx 580m

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by materax, Jun 8, 2011.

  1. DGDXGDG

    DGDXGDG Notebook Deity

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    u said 485m support 3d, but how about 485m sli?
    im running 3dvision with external 120hz but when sli it crashed, switch to single gpu then work fine......is this my machines problem or now all 485m sli cant do 3d???
     
    DGDXGDG, Jun 28, 2011
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  2. physib

    physib Notebook Evangelist

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    How much is a single 580m purchased separately? And if I do, does it come with the heatsink?
     
    physib, Jun 28, 2011
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  3. Kevin

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    At $595 over the $350 to $400 560M, that's definitely a $900 GPU.

    edit: I stand corrected, below
     
    Kevin, Jun 28, 2011
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  4. MALIBAL

    MALIBAL Company Representative

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    It's gonna be like $750 with heatsink. :)
     
    MALIBAL, Jun 28, 2011
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  5. Larry@LPC-Digital

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    For customers of LPC it will be less than $750 each.
    Usually it takes about 3 weeks after it is shipping in NEW systems before standalone newly released GPU kits are available for sale. :)
    _
     
    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jun 28, 2011
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  6. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    The 580M is now available across the board in NP8150/8170/7282 and AW M17X/18X. Coming up next...6990M? ;)
     
    Aikimox, Jun 28, 2011
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    Which means 485m users would be lucky to get $400 for their used GPU's. If 580m is $750, 485m is probably $500 as a new kit if even available.
     
    HTWingNut, Jun 28, 2011
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  8. Maverick1987

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    What do you know about the 6990m? Don't make me bring out the toothbrush HTwingnut used on Picard.......
     
    Maverick1987, Jun 28, 2011
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    nllptr, Jun 28, 2011
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  11. HTWingNut

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    Well, the 580m isn't going to slaughter the 485m in anything. It'll offer 0-15% framerate improvement. So if you're already running 50 fps, another 5 fps won't really matter. And if running 30fps, 33fps will it really matter there either? A worth upgrade will be when I can gain at least 50% improvement, preferably more.
     
    HTWingNut, Jun 28, 2011
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  12. clevo-nator

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    clevo-nator, Jun 28, 2011
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  13. bartman8888

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    Justin, I just revised my order on your website with P170HM3 120Hz screen and 580M, and Brett S didnt say anything about the 3D screen/580M certificaiton... please make sure they inform other customers to set their expectations. I'm sure most people are very impatient for these :)

    For the record, I'm cool waiting for the certification. Heck, I've waited since Jan 6th for this thing so what's a few more weeks?
     
    bartman8888, Jun 28, 2011
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  14. Eivind

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    Use GPU-Z to get the bios.
     
    Eivind, Jun 28, 2011
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  15. charz

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    This is a let down. I feel like it is a marketing approach to sell the remaining 485ms at stock. I also feel that once proper drivers are out for the 580m, it will beat the 485m in a bigger margin than the reported 5-10% which will be very bad news for those who are ordering the 485m after the 580m announcement.

    I love clevo's but now Aw support optimus or 3d with 580m and some people may shift unless clevo dealers give some hope for their fans.
     
    charz, Jun 28, 2011
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  16. Zero989

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    proper drivers are out for the 580m. gtx 560 ti has been out for half a year.
     
    Zero989, Jun 28, 2011
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  17. charz

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    And there are no certified 3d vision drivers for the 580m in the P8170 yet!
     
    charz, Jun 28, 2011
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  18. Larry@LPC-Digital

    Larry@LPC-Digital Company Representative

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    True....but it will come. ;)
    _
     
    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jun 28, 2011
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  19. Speedy Gonzalez

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    Any body saw this? :D

    (i) Based on testing performed at NVIDIA using industry standard benchmarks, as well as top games at 1920x1080 at high settings on a Intel 2.5GHz QC, Huron River chipset, 2GB DDR3 1333, Verde 275.29 or Cat 11.5a, GeForce GTX 580M vs AMD Radeon HD 6970M: 3DMark Vantage P GeForce= 16240 Radeon= 12616, 3D Mark 11 P GeForce=3170 Radeon=3020, Unigine Heaven Engine 2.5 GeForce=21.5 Radeon=18.8, Dirt 2 GeForce=61.9 Radeon=55.2, Stalker COP GeForce=38.2 Radeon=31.9, Call of Duty: Black Ops GeForce=107.4 Radeon=85. Others available upon request.

    from here :) Fastest. Notebook GPU. Ever. - MarketWatch
     
    Speedy Gonzalez, Jun 28, 2011
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  20. scar

    scar Notebook Consultant

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    Just a side note, I have yet to see the 570m offered anywhere. Links?
     
    scar, Jun 28, 2011
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  21. Justin@XoticPC

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    Here you go :) A little screen shot for you guys to check out. 8150 Configured as: 580M | I7 2920XM | 16G 1600 | 500GB 7200
     

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  22. Larry@LPC-Digital

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    Great look!

     
    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jun 28, 2011
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  23. Mirakel

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    Thanks Justin.. any chance you could do some benchmarks (3DMark) or even run some games (like BFBC2, Crysis 2, SC2) and report average FPS?

    Or some battery tests? I'm really curious if the GTX 580M is more efficient than the GTX 485M!
     
    Mirakel, Jun 28, 2011
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  24. D2 Ultima

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    Oh great, he gets paid to test new gear by playing video games. I knew it'd happen someday!
     
    D2 Ultima, Jun 28, 2011
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  25. Justin@XoticPC

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    I believe a Vantage Run is in process :) Sager Engineering is completing the testing.

    I wish it were my job but somebody else has that lucky job :)
     
    Justin@XoticPC, Jun 28, 2011
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  26. Larry@LPC-Digital

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    Only Sager themselves have the 580M in the models right now. More later... :)
    _
     
    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jun 28, 2011
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  27. physib

    physib Notebook Evangelist

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    Is it an worthy upgrade from dual 460m? 20%-25% seems a little too expensive for $750..
     
    physib, Jun 28, 2011
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  28. Maverick1987

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    More importantly, is the 580m worth the upgrade at all? Given the recent price reduction of the 485M, a 45Mhz OC hardly seems worth $200.....am I missing something performance wise?
     
    Maverick1987, Jun 28, 2011
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  29. Rahul

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    At the minimum, we'll see nice price drops hopefully for the GTX 485m, win win! :)
     
    Rahul, Jun 28, 2011
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  30. EvolutionTheory

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    I'd say for anyone who was considering the 485m previously and ready to pay for it the 580m is a no brainer at the same cost. The 485m now though seems the most cost-effective.

    Either way.. Woot!
     
    EvolutionTheory, Jun 28, 2011
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  31. HTWingNut

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    Or they will just discontinue the 485m.
     
    HTWingNut, Jun 28, 2011
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  32. Maverick1987

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    We already are seeing the $200 Price drop. makes the 485M that much more attractive. My question is beside the OC of 45MHz is there any other significant speed, efficiency or power management advantage to the 580m over the 485M?
     
    Maverick1987, Jun 28, 2011
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  33. Kevin

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    That's a bit too small.

    Can we get a blown up GPU-Z shot?
     
    Kevin, Jun 28, 2011
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  34. Justin@XoticPC

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    ^ Take a look at my post right before it and you can see a blown up image.
     
    Justin@XoticPC, Jun 28, 2011
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  35. physib

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    Same here, I don't see the big difference here..
    EDIT: slight higher pixel fill rate.. but still.
     
    physib, Jun 28, 2011
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  36. Maverick1987

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    +$200 Pixel fill rate? :eek: :rolleyes: :D

    I'm putting my 8150 through today and am making a final decsion.
     
    Maverick1987, Jun 28, 2011
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  37. Kevin

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    My verdict, is that spending an extra $200 for the 580M is crazy. Overclock your 485M, and godspeed.
     
    Kevin, Jun 28, 2011
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  38. D2 Ultima

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    The new core is the real difference; it's supposed to be more power-optimized; meaning it ought to produce less heat at similar clocks, and will have better overclocking headroom.
     
    D2 Ultima, Jun 28, 2011
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  39. EvolutionTheory

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    If you're fine with Overclocking then why not also overclock the 580 and have an even greater performance boost? You can always maintain that ratio of the 580m offering better gains. The only argument is a personal one of whether it's better or worse based on your disposable income allowance.
     
    EvolutionTheory, Jun 28, 2011
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  40. physib

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    And now we wait for speedy to test how much more headroom 580m has over 485m. :D

    Since the 485m had a price drop, is it worth upgrading from 460m sli?
     
    physib, Jun 28, 2011
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  41. Larry@LPC-Digital

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    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jun 28, 2011
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    I don't understand you, really.
    Every time a new card is released everyone expects 20 - 25% performance increase from the previous generation. Then when it is released it turns out it is just 10% faster at most. Really? What did you expect?

    The only time when you will get the 20-25% boost is when you move to a smaller manufacturing process, which will happen at the end of this year.

    And from my experience with video cards so far, don't buy anything that costs more than $600.
     
    Blacky, Jun 28, 2011
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  43. HTWingNut

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    I concur with this statement.
     
    HTWingNut, Jun 28, 2011
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  44. Justin@XoticPC

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    Another image, 3D Mark Vantage Run with the 580M. Same Configuration as I posted previously.

    NP8150 w/ 580M I7 2920XM 16G 1600 500GB 7200 with Stock Thermal Paste
     

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  45. midzi

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    Guys what do you think about GTX 570M efficiency? It will be the same level as Quadro 4000M or not?

    570M vs 4000M
    192bit vs 256bit
    575MHz vs 475MHz
    1070MHz vs 950MHz
    72GB/s vs 76.8GB/s

    Some marks or gpu-z pics needed :)
     

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  46. Maverick1987

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    What I want to see is 485M vs 580M. I want to nkow if the $200 is just stupid or if there's a real power management/OC/performance difference. Is it on a different core than the 485? We know the 485 was faster than the 6970, so obviously the 580 is going to be faster still......how much though...
     
    Maverick1987, Jun 28, 2011
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  47. Lickwidpain

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    It seems that these cards are ment specifically for overclocking. It's the headroom that seems to be gained the most. Not the base clocks.

    My 2 cents.
     
    Lickwidpain, Jun 28, 2011
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  48. Larry@LPC-Digital

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    ^^^^I understand totally the above statements. The 580M is for those who want the latest and are willing to pay a premium for it.

    I guess this is true in all phases of getting a new item... what ever it may be...like the ZL1 Camaro. Sorry but I do want this car!
    _
     
    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jun 28, 2011
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    anexanhume, Jun 28, 2011
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    so.... compared to my P16350 in Vantage with 16G 1333 / 485M / 2720QM the extra 200$ (580m) + 800$ (2920XM) + approx. 50$ (1666 RAM) seem a bit.....no wait, totally exaggerated. ill stick to my current config and wait for the 6xx series next january ;)

    oh, btw: as far as i can tell, theres literally no further improvement with the 580m, aside from the 8% boost through oc'ed clocks. even though its said to have a "new core" (GF114 vs GF104), its exactly the same die as before, with the same number of cores, ROPs, etc. even taking into consideration that you could overclock the 580m as you would with the 485m youd still get another....what? 10% increase? so then again youll have a 8-10% performance gain for a 200$ premium when comparing oc'ed 485m to oc'ed 580m :p not worth it!

    additionally to that, the 580m is said to draw 2 watts more than the 485m (under load), so wouldnt surprise me if Nvidia's claim of a 20% increase in efficiency per watt was a bit exaggerated as well ;) (to demonstrate with a simple calculation: 108% performance divided by 102 watts = 1.06 % per watt for 580m, whereas 485m would come to 100 % / 100 watts = 1.00 % per watt)
     
    jaybee83, Jun 28, 2011
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