If you're worried about buying the 7970

If by performing well you mean they are utterly crusted by the 7970m then I agree.



ATI drivers take a while to mature. Same way it's been for years.

 

support from AMD, but still the best card in the market.

 

Thanks for posting, Man. I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees that the 7970 is an amazing card. We all just want updated drivers!!!

 

HD 7970M is a beast card like a baus! Also I would like to add that not all are getting to the high 90s, some cards perform right where they should. I believe that in the coming months AMD will release excellent drivers that should help solve all our problems. I currently own HD 4870 in my desktop, and my experience with amd has been very good i have to say. when idle it sits at 69-70c, when gaming 79-80c. Never has it gone over that. 5 hours straight gaming session, 80c max as indicated by HWmonitor. Is it me or does anyone else feel that AMD cards run hotter than nVidia? I dont mean by much, but to some extent.....

 

Gelid GC Xtreme.

 

When you guys post temps could you please say from which game/program/benchmark you are using? Thanks.

I maxed out at 87C for the 1080p Furmark burnin test and 85C for the 720p test. For 3dmark11, it maxed out at 69C. I'm not sure if these temps warrant a repaste.

As far as game performance, I was getting the expected fps in Battlefield 3 but less in SC2. Granted, 60fps in Ultra isn't like it's unplayable and better drivers should fix this.

Is this a better thermal compound than IC Diamond, or was the IC Diamond just applied incorrectly? I'm thinking about buying some.

 

is the thermal paste really important? i plan on buying from Xoticpc.com a p150em with a 7970. the thermal paste its like 40. also does the laptop have sufficient cooling on its own? i plan to buy a cooler from newegg. I know some notebooks definitely need laptop coolers. I been googling around but I cant find much on how it vents and where.im guessing it blows out of the back gets air from the bottom. Id really would like my cpu and gpu to be a bit cooler, can you control the fans etc?

 

You can repaste it yourself, but yeah its important to get good thermal paste. You can buy a tube for less than 10 bucks. Sagers have remarkable cooling, I wouldn't recommend a laptop cooler. You can run the fan's at a hundred percent by hitting (ctrl-1) otherwise they do a great job and spooling up at the appropriate time.

 

Don't pay for thermal. Prolimatech pk1 enough for both gpu and CPU with mistakes I only 1.99. And it only costs 5 min to do. Mine idles 35-40c

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If you're comfortable with repasting the machine yourself, do it. Everything is VERY EASILY accessible. Plus even if you ask Sager to put on the IC Diamond, they may not do it right. I had that happen on my last Sager laptop. Spent $40 until I realized how they made it so easy to access the CPU and GPU and repaste. Sager screwed up the paste job too, so I had to redo it anyhow.

 

Check this out: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...e-guide-upgrading-thermal-paste-your-own.html

It's pretty simple. My advice, don't pay the $35 XoticPC charges. Get your laptop and then do some tests to see if you even need to repaste. If you want to, buy a tube for a few dollars and do it yourself.

 

They do get air from the bottom, and vent out the back. A cooler can't hurt, but isn't necessary. Raising the back does help however.

 

I tried the ctrl+1 trick and it doesn't affect anything for me? Any help?

 

I have a Sager 8150 and it is Fn + 1 for the fans, not Ctrl + 1.

 

Abidderman beat me to it, Fn + 1 should work ...

 

Your reseller is correct. The Clevo 7970 vga board have problems in some capacitors. (Como eles são caras de pau de dizer que não...) . I change my vga board today in my reseller and now everything is ok.

 

It doesn't seem to be changing anything for me..? Sure it works for the NP9170, guys?

 

I've heard it doesn't work for the p-170/150em models. It doesn't work on mine as well.

 

Opps, yeah I meant fn-1

 

nope it works

 

what it is hardware problem?

 

Those batches were never distributed. That's why there was a delay.

 

as i know only the second batch got problems. but now the reseller said the first two batches. i wonder if this is the latest news about this issue.

 

Well like PowerNotebooks said a few pages back, that is completely false. And if the first batch would have been sent out as faulty, we would have heard more about it. The only thing we really hear about are drivers and fairly warm temps. So I'm pretty sure it's fine.

 

False??? OK. See this thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...looked-their-clevo-7970m-power-circuitry.html

All Clevo 7970 VGA Cards need rebage. This cause the delay.

 

There is plenty of info on this forum about this issue already. The first batch was fine, and was shipped. The second batch had a 20% failure rate so was withdrawn before being shipped. There was then a delay while the issue was rectified. There is large thread about this. Systems are now being shipped as normal.
The power circuitry soldering is an entirely different issue, although it would be good for some of the resellers to comment on whether it is normal, or a potential problem.

 

As Tmets said above.

 

His reseller said the problem they knew about was related to enduro, which also a lot of clevo 7970m owners can confirm since alienware 7970m are not having enduro issues by disabling it. there are lots of clevo 7970m thread saying unstable fps in games, gpu utilization, while you barely hear any problems RELATING TO ENDURO from alienware users. If Nvidia took a year and a half to perfect optimus, I could just imagine how long AMD will take to fix enduro.

I know most new GPU's take some time to get it working right, but the least thing AMD could have done was inform/warn us that Enduro is still in production while actually selling it. This is LAWSUIT worthy right here... we had the right to be informed enduro is still buggy and not working right yet before actually buying the product. Would you buy a BRAND NEW CAR and drive it off the lot while it is still not yet working right and is still in the process of programming/testing?

 

He was saying that the first 2 batches were faulty related to enduro which is plainly false. The cards which have been shipped aren't faulty, although the driver support is certainly not good enough. The way enduro has been implemented in clevos makes it impossible to switch off like in AWs. Optimus also had problems when released, so both amd and nVidia are guilty of releasing hardware without proper drivers. It has been the case in the computer industry for some time that hardware and software are released with faults to be fixed later, otherwise it would be unnecessary to have windows updates, game updates etc.
I'm not so sure this could result in legal action with enduro, because it does work, just not as well as it should. Personally I would rather have a hardware switch, software switching seems a bit of a faff, but at the moment everyone is going to have to wait for better drivers.

 

Even Optimus has its share of issues still. I was hoping that the Optimus idea would never take off. For the most part I would think users would want dedicated on while plugged in and off while unplugged, with the option to turn dedicated on with battery. Software switchable graphics just complicates things IMHO.

 

I totally agree. There is no reason why users can't choose which gpu to use. The igpu is perfectly adequate for basic tasks and simpler games, and keeps the laptop quieter and cooler. It doesn't take much to press a button to switch to the dgpu when you want it.

 

100% agree with you guys. It's a great feature.

 

had a gtx 560m for a whole year with daily heavy gaming, not one did it crash on me, especially when installing latest drivers with literally one click.

What bothers me is if it took Nvidia a year and a half to get optimus running right with minimal game issues, imagine how
long will AMD take on enduro. I had the right to know that I have to wait a year to get the laptop to run right, if i had even the slightest information that enduro was buggy i never would have bought the 7970m... the new hardware excuse is acceptable but not informing anything about how it is not even working right... is not right and have ticked off a lot of people, mainly clevo em owners that are stuck with enduro.

 

What they are actually saying is.........enduro sux.

 

I'd rather save $200 and get the 7970. Updated drivers will fix A LOT of current issues. And it's still performing amazing. Even with stock drivers.

 

i thought it was $300

 

You're right. Thanks! My bad. Haha That proves my point even more!

 

A friend of mine has a Y570 with a 555m. It has a hardware switch. I think the problem with it is that he has BSOD troubles when he uses the hardware switch instead of the software.

My 7970m is working pretty awesome. I've only had 1 BSOD, and it was because I installed the drivers incorrectly.

 

Nothing to worry about. Mine works great!

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Glad to hear your computer and 7970 are working great, Man! Enjoy!

 

That is exactly my opinion on the matter as well. I'm quite happy with the performance on the 7970M thus far, but I know that it can (and will) get better as we get more options with better Catalyst updates and some honest-to-goodness specific 7xxxM driver support.

 

Cheers!

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Some people need the confidence and the right push to pull the trigger... Good job with the OP! +rep.

 

Thanks so much, Man! +Rep back at ya!

 

I have to say I was a little nervous as I ordered mine in early June before a lot of these posts about issues started popping up. Now being in the business I knew that the general rule is people who have issues post about them while people who don't don't post.

I have had mine for a few days and I have had zero issues. My temps in Furmarl and Kombuster never get higher than 85c, playing Skyrim on Ultra it never gets higher than 75c while keeping me between 55-65FPS.

Really the ONLY annoyance I have is setting the profiles initially.

 

And that's actually a very good feature. Even though it can be annoying, it helps a lot. And if you think your 7970 is working good now, just wait until the new drivers come out. It should be a big improvement
to your performance!

 

temp in diablo 3 is freaking high.3 hours session and the temp stay at 87c but sometime shoot up to 90c. it's higher than bf3 and max payne 3

 

That's...... odd. What is your thermal compound?

 

I remember this when the 5870m came out. Same thing. A lot of people on here with questions or issues, but in relation to how many had the card, it was still a very small percentage. I bought my Asus with it and it is still running strong, cool and no issues at all. And from everything I have seen, even the issues people have with the 7970m are driver related. That will be taken care of quickly. And most people with the driver issues, the card is still faster than anything before it. Just imagine what it will be like in a bit, with more mature drivers.

 

Yep, it's really quite funny when you read a post from someone on this forum raging about how many people there are who have issues with 7970M. I'd imagine that XoticPC, PowerNotebooks, GentechPC and LPC-Digital all seem to me sell thousands of these Sagers. And there are definitely nowhere close to a thousand active posters on Clevo/Sager forum here.