Is Clevo/Sager switching from 9800M GT to GTS?

is this guy stupid?

when did the 9800M 'GT' become the end all be all of graphics cards?, and how is it that another graphics processing unit that is built on the same architecture, clocked higher, preforms identically and costs less somehow not highend?

I bet if the names were switched around and you only had the choice of a more powerful card by 1 fps you'd be really angry

stop being so ignorant.

I'm really sorry to inform you that it only gets around 9000-9600 3d marks.... , this is a terrible day, I pray for your soul, I really do..

please, go purchase an m15x for an extra $1500.00 USD, go get those extra 0-400 3d marks, I'm really sorry Clevo just put you through this, you need that 1fps in that video game that is so crucial to your physical and mental well-being.

 

You doing ok ARom? theres no need to flame, this is not a discussion on stupidity, but instead on GPUs, and the fact that they are going backword with them, not forward.

 

I wonder how long could killernotebooks.com will continue selling 98gt..

 

It is my understanding that Mark at Killernotebooks.com does not really conform to the same standards as the resellers, he will pretty much give you whatever you want.

 

How are they going backward? They are giving you a better deal for your $1.00, that is progressive.

 

Steven, just to inform you... the 9800mGT scores less in 3DMark06 compared to the 8800m GTX in the m15x. And guess what? Vast majority of the games tested, the m15x gets completely creamed. So that speaks for the 3Dmark06 that so many people are obcessed about.

I can even bet that the 9800mGTS will give you very close performances (gaming wise) to both the 9800m GT and 8800m GTX. It's obviously an improvement... a new card, cheaper with almost the same performance and that, on top of that, will run cooler and probably have a better life expectancy.

 

Then we're speaking of a different card than what is in the 7811 I take it?

 

Mark does indeed run his business in a slightly different way to the rest of us however he gets his chassis and cards from the same place as the rest of us - when there are no more GT cards left everyone will be selling GTS and GTX and most of the big resellers are now doing just that.

 

Mark is a different breed of cat that follows his own rule...my kind of guy!

But which 860tu does Kobalt offer, just curious? The one with the GTS or GT? Or do ya'll give the consumer an option of choice as long as you have the GT's in stock?

 

i still not getting my hand on, why they are not selling GTS? can someone give me a link explain why~!! plz

 

The point of the whole thread is that they are selling the notebooks with GTS and it will be the main card for the 860TU.

 

me and milcs have just received ours this week and we both got the GT but the option is on the website to opt for the GTS

 

Then what the hey?

If you have an option of choosing one over the other for a smaller price, then that is a super deal!
If you think $100 dollars is too much for the GT and can get the GTS for less, then all is good. I thought it was just being shipped with the GTS, and someone is trying to force it on the consumer as being equal or something like that.

 

its when they are gone they are gone.
nvidia (as far as i know) are not shipping any more out.
what stock is left with the seller will be an order option and once all are sold the GTS will take its place. it was £53 / $97 extra for the GT

 

I see...maybe they are going to start pulling out the hybrid models with 1GB GDDR 3 memory? If I'm not mistaking, maybe they will also follow desktop cards with GTS finally being second only to GTX and the GT to be the third fastest card in the lineup.

 

MrDJ is correct - only the GTS and then the GTX at the top

 

is it true that both of these cards have DDR2 memory?

 

Thank goodness their naming schemes will make sense again. But yeah, I hope the GTS runs cooler with a little longer battery life, but I'm not sure what effect having higher clocks will do for this.

 

See post #56.

Says GDDR3.

 

nice find. still, i could've sworn i've seen "GDDR2" floating around somewhere.

 

I can certainly see why some people would be upset that now they can't get a 9800mgt for this model. For gaming purposes the cards are practically identical. What has me a little confused is the 9800m gts is nothing but a overclocked 8800m gts. Meaning it is almost the same speed as the 9800m gt, but it actually would run hotter to achieve those same speeds. If you look at it that way, I would have to agree with Arom that this really is a step backwards.

 

9800GT - 96 stream processors
9800GTS - 64 stream processors

nuff said

 

I can agree on that. Even if it's more like a tiny shuffle back than a step. It's a pity that NVidia aren't going to do anything about it. Like they couldn't care less even when there is some money to be made. Hopefully, they'll realise that high-end cards do sell in a 15" laptop and are in good demand when it comes around to next years line-up.

 

Indeed a step backwards for us,a step forward for nVidia's profits,they simply forcing the market to find a reason to buy there overpriced 9800GTX's(which in my opinion with no 9800GT in the market will still not worth it buy them).

 

And the thing is DevlRed, it is actually working!

How many here have posted stating “What’s the big deal, it’s the same thing only 1 or 2 percent slower”. Hell, they are even saying it would run cooler. If you look at the blueprint of the 98GTS, 98GT there is a major difference. What makes up the difference in the performance is the clock speed of the 98GTS, which happens to be what the 98GT runs at perfectly. So assuming the 98GTS is an overclocked 88GTS with different core (similar to the 98GT), then what will give anyone the impression that it would run cooler at an already higher clock speed? What the hell kind of information that is being posted in the Gateway forum (where the 98GTS is the main card), gives any information that the card is running cooler than even an overclock 98GT to those levels? Heck that is even on a 17” inch laptop where heat is less of a factor than on a 15” notebook.

By all means if you feel getting a 98GTS is a better bang for your buck (which I don’t see it), then you don’t and shouldn’t have a problem with it. But for some who is looking for the faster card at a better bang for your buck (98GT), it’s an absolute disaster! Because now the option is the 98GTS, or spend a lot more for the GTX to get close or better than the performance of the 98GT.

They can’t make the 98GTS any faster, or it would destroy the main card which is the GTX. So I don’t see a newer version coming out without a newer version of the GTX. But hell, that would make no sense at all seeing that the GTX just came out.

This just goes to show how good the 88GTX is for its time, seeing now they want to stop making the 98GT to push the 98GTX forward.

 

First off I'm one who things the GTS is better for my needs in terms of $$/performance but anyone has his own opinion about this and we all agree that the GTX is way overpriced .
About the card difference though, I doubt that the 9800gts is the same as the 8800gts overclocked starting from the fact that one is a 55nm and the other is a 65nm if I am not mistaken.
Now so far I only found this notebookcheck.com that gives different specs for the cards and there the 8800gts is also listed as 35Watt while the 9800gts is a 75Watt so I guess battery life will go down with the 9800gts and if we belive the specs of this site the GT is a 65Watt so... .
As a third point, which so far I'm not sure what to make of, the 9800gts is also listed to be able to have 1024Mb of memory which, if true, might be the only improvement in a future 9800GTS remake.

At any rate I went with the gts and I'll tell you my first impressions when it gets here, hopefully soon.

 

True on all points, and no one can knock you for choosing the 98GTS. That is how it should be, we should have a choice of which card we want. If someone wants to pay $100 more to have the GT, then why the hell would they take that away from them? It’s a nice touch to add the 98GTS, but to take away the 98GT is messed up.

 

I am sure this market policy wont work like they think will because ATi is in the corner waiting with a Railgun(3870's cheaper,cooler)...

 

And this, kids, is why we disregard Notebookcheck..

 

And this kids is why we ask people to post arguments and elaborate on their point and not just flames .

PS I too suspect those numbers are "hear-say" but unfortunately there's nothing else out there to have all the info. Or half the info for that matter .

 

so when you guys say Nvidia wants to push the 9800m-gtx, does that mean we'll see it in m860tu or m570ru soon?

 

the GTX will defanately not be available for the m860tu due to thermal budget.
check sticky at top of the sager page.

 

Ant it is already available in the m570tu, and will work in the ru as well

 

what kind of 3dmark06 scores would a system with 9800m-gts, 2.53ghz (or 2.8ghz) and 4Gb DDR3 RAM get me?

 

here you go:

note that the Os is WinXP SP1

 

mkay... would scores under vista (64bit) be much worse?

 

only 1 score with gts card so nothing to compaire but keep an eye on this thread as i update it as soon as new scores are added. clikety click

 

Yeah the GTX is well out of reach, but the X9100 processor seems to be safe, so I'm wondering how the QX9300 will work out. I'll be adding an X9100 to mine, when I get the money.

I dunno, maybe 400-500 points?

 

Is there any info on this 9800M GTS with 1024 MB of GDDR3 anywhere besides on notebookcheck? The site says it is capable, but I have found nothing from nVidia on that or if/when they are going to be selling them.

 

I just got my butt kicked by a 98GTS getting an average of 26FPS in Crysis 1900x1200 resolutions, so I'm gone!

 

An overclocked 98GTS coupled with an extreme processor? Not surprising.

Are you running your card at stock speeds?

 

Of course I was, it was at 2.493GHz or something like that. I'm just pissed right now man, I think I'm going to sell my pc now. I got him on the low resolution, but he beat me by 1FPS in 1680x1050 and a whole 8FPS in 1900x1200. I didn't think I would lose, maybe I will tweak and use different drivers or something, I hate losing!

EDIT: No, the card was not at default. I had it overclocked, so I'm pissed!

 

^^^^^ what?????????????????????????? how is that possible?? that means the gts is FASTER than the gt?? cause i know for sure the 8800gtx and the 9800gt are identical score wise with the same speced machine?? this doesnt make sense.

 

Yeah, I didn’t understand it either. He got 31FPS average at 1280x1024, I guess he gets around 28FPS at 1680x1050 and 26FPS at 1900x1200. So he ain’t losing much switching from low resolutions to high. I got 33FPS at 1280x1024, 26FPS at 1680x1050 and 18FPS at 1900x1200. So as you can see, I lose around 6 to 8FPS per raised resolution and he only drops a couple maybe 3FPS per resolution.

He got an astounding 26FPS average at 1900x1200, I can’t touch that!
It might be my card, and it really is slower than the GT and GTS.

Oh, everything DX10

 

WELL WOW. just talked to a freind who picked up his gateway today with the 9800gts... he is rocking the single 8800gtx and with a good oc is nearing the 1730 with SLI 8800'S.. he brought it home and dropped the x9100 in before even turning it on. he is almost exactly where the guy in the other thread is with his scores.. so i guess the gts will infact smoke the gt or the 8800gtx??? something doesnt make sense..im going to get his system in my hands tomm to see what he really has going on in there

heck his 3dmark score was just over 11000???? i mean a lot of the 9800gtx's im seeing are not performing as well

 

Could that benchmark tool possibly be a little off?
I hope not as I love to see gaming notebooks kick @ss but I'm just a tad skeptical of the scores.

In any case, I'll be awaiting zfactor's report.

 

That must be some card, to only drop a FPS or 2 per resolutions. If I could play Crysis at 1900x1200 at only a few FPS lower than when I play it at 1280x1024, that would rule! I got so owned!

 

i am and was to. this doesnt make sense. but ive known this guy personally for over 15 years he would not lie to me. ill have his machine in my hand tomm to run the tests myself but i dont doubt him for one minute he knows his stuff. kobe how do you think i feel with DUAL 8800GTX'S and he is nearing my scores.

 

Yeah this doesn't make too much sense to me either... The 9800GTS has been out for some time, hasn't it? Who exactly got these benches?

 

I got sent packing with my tail between my legs, I'll be back later.