Is Clevo/Sager switching from 9800M GT to GTS?

The 9800m GTS running at stock clocks will score slightly lower than the 9800m GT in 3Dmark06 if they're both paired with the same processor. This is fact.

The 11k score from people like E-wrecked doesn't surprise me at all, because those who have OC'd the 98GT are scoring 10.6k with only the 2.53Ghz P9500. Add in an X9100, and the scores will easily top 11k. That said, the GTS will handle higher clocks than the GT.

Until two people with identical processors run benches against each other, we won't have even ground comparisons.

 

Kevin, they are getting on average 1900x1200 (Crysis) 26 to 32FPS!

That might even top SLI rigs! So unless they are running a tweaked Crysis game, those scores are phenomenal!

 

^^^ thats what im saying

 

So says the benchmark. Tell them to take screenshots while the game is actually being played, then get back to me.

I'm not saying they're lying, but I'm sick of benchmark e-peenery.

Do you guys really think the GTS runs games with the strength of two cards? No, sorry, it's impossible.

 

zfactor, you have SLI…what do you get? I mean, 32FPS Crysis all high 1900x1200 for a single card???? Forget being faster than an 88GTX/98GT, that thing is twice as fast! I’m not feeling too good right now, something just isn’t right here.

 

Just think, how can it get so high? Even when they have the highest overclock, the 3dmark06 SM scores still show the card to lag behind mine. Even in Vantage, it's taking a big hit. So how the heck does it do so well in Crysis all high 1900x1200????

 

Sometimes FPS readings on games are known to be false readings.

 

highest i saw was 33-36..but some have said up to 40 i have not tweaked to much yet...but still thats why i simply dont get this

 

I'll wager that screenshots with FRAPS readings will disagree with the benchmarking tools.

 

Ditto. The 9800M GTS cannot be as good as the high end SLIs...
Highlly OCed and tweaked, that`s my take..

 

if 9800m GTS is that good... how come they don't make it Sli 9800m GTS.. and turn it in to godly

 

GTS sure sounds good to run up sales of current inventory

 

I must agree with eleron,if i overclock my cards im pretty sure i can hit close to 16-17k 3dmarks if im geting 15k out from the box,you cant compare apples with oranges...

Edit:Those benchs scores make the 9800GTX look so useless,i dont believe nVidia try to hurt there own company,so what makes sense to me is that those cards working on the edge to deliver those numbers and this cant happen with not having hardware problems in the long term...

 

I have to agree with some of the people that have posted before, the 9800m GTS is really working on its edge of its performance (this brought up to my mind an episode from The Simpsons, where they built ramps for disabled people, but they were made out of "bread sticks", and broke once someone touched them, sure, it was an incredibly looking job, but it broke to the softest touch, not saying that the 9800m GTS is a weak or inferior card, no, just saying that it would stop working after a while due to it working to its limit), overclocking it means a really bad outcome in the long-term.

I like to think of the 9800m GTS and the 9800m GT / 9800m GTX as Dual Core VS Quad Core processors, the GTS has higher clocks than the 9800m GT and the 9800m GTX, and in most games that are not too shader-intensive, the GTS will win due to its faster clock speeds, but, as an hypothesis, if, for example, you turn the Crysis' Settings to "Very High", the Shader Processors will have a much bigger role than the Clock Speed alone, and the 9800m GT and 9800m GTX, with their 96+ Shader Processors would output better results, and are more future-proof than the GTS due to their count of Shader Processors alone. (this might explain the higher SM scores).

I wondered if the people of NBR that have a laptop with the 9800m GTS / GT / GTX could benchmark the 9800m GTS and 9800m GT at Crysis or any other Shader-Intensive Game such as Crysis Warhead or Mass Effect, on Very High / Max settings, at 1920x1200, that would really show the raw power of the cards. (the more the better, the more equal the better too, self-made comparations are welcome.) Other benchmarks are welcome as well.

Also, did anyone notice that the graphs that compared the GTS, the GT and GTX, did not show the results of the framerates at 1920x1200?, that sounds kinda unfair and might be leaving an important point out of the equation, might be Nvidia's marketing as well, to push-up the 9800m GTX's sales due to them discontinuing the middle-priced 9800m GT.

As some have pointed out before, the SM scores of the 9800m GTS lag behind the 9800m GT / 8800m GTX and 9800m GTX scores, the reason, it could not be the card, it is in fact the processor that is pushing up the scores higher.

For now, I will keep my Dual 8800m GTX's SLi safe and sound inside of my Sager NP9262 (currently sending it for repairs in 2 days).

 

Isn’t 32FPS in Crysis DX10 1900x1200 all high already godly? No matter what they have done to their systems, that is a very impressive mark. My 8800GTX gets those scores only in 1280x1040, so the 98GTS kicked my azz! This no longer deals with overclocking the 98GTS to keep up, it destroys my 88GTX. Now it might just be mine, others might be able to compete. Heck, I only get around 22FPS in DX9 mode all high 1900x1200. So his card ate mine without spitting it back out.

 

You would think if he could average 32fps all high 1900x1200 in Crysis, his SM scores for 06 would be well over 6k. It should eat Vantage for launch, as it did my system. 14000 06 scores should be the minimum for such a beast, not 11k. How can I get 5400/5200 for my SM 2/3 scores to only one of his scores getting to the 5k mark, and still be blasted out of the water in Crysis?

I know 3DMARK06 is not the standard, but it does show some things that do reflect in gaming.

 

notebookcheck.com are showing the 9800MGTS to be 267 points above the 9800MGT and 489 points above the 8800MGTX respectively. It's surely got to be a difference in CPU speed, because I can't see how 64 pipelines of the GTS can get a higher score than the 96 pipelines of the GT.

http://www.notebookcheck.com/NVIDIA-GeForce-9800M-GTS.9893.0.html

3DMark 06
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 900 (min) 57
...
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 8600
NVIDIA GeForce 8800M GTX 9194
NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GT 9416
NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTS 9683
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850 9777
NVIDIA Quadro FX 3700M 10000
NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTX 10045
...
NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GT SLI (max) 14000

 

Click on details... The 9800M GT beats the 9800M GTS by 79 3dmarks(06) when the Q6600 and 2GB of RAM are equipped on both systems. Big deal people...

No one takes notebookcheck seriously for some reason, but I think they are accurate, and still have no idea what the fuss is about:

if 8800M GTX = 9800M GT > 9800M GTS by 1%,

then 8800M GTX > 9800M GTS by 1% !

The 9800M GTS can beat a 9800M GT with a lesser cpu because it's clocked higher.

 

kobe_24 my point is, if that 9800m GTS is the fastest. why isn't there a GTS SLI GPU on labtop and could even sell it higher price. since it could overclock higher then GT , with two gts it would even high with 2 card

 

The higher clocks of the 9800m GTS, co-working with the high clocks of the X9100 Dual Core; if both cards are tested on a computer with the same hardware, the 9800m GT / 9800m GTX will beat it, by a variable amount, depending on the shading power required for the benchmark / game, the higher clocks will win, for now... once the games get more shader-intensive, the 9800m GT, 8800m GTX and the 9800m GTX will blast the 9800m GTS out of the water by a very large amount.

The 9800m GTS is not basically an overclocked 8800m GTS, the newer G94 Core Architecture makes an improvement over the G92 that the 8800m GTS used, allowing it to run cooler, while achieving higher clock speeds, although its shading power is not as big as the 8800m GTX / 9800m GT and 9800m GTX, it is still a great card for today's standards, for a lower price tag than those other three, not as future-proof, but also a good overclocker.

Remember: Number of Cores (Shader Processors) before Clock Speed.

 

I don't understand what you mean with the first part, if the card has a new core and different specs why would it be an overclocked 8800?
I agree on the number of cores, in the long run the number of cores will kick in and make a bigger difference between GT and GTS. On the other hand you will just have to tweak a bit the settings and you'd be good to go on the GTS if ever you feel that is needed.
About the SLI bit, I'm pretty sure that we'll start seeing some kind of sli setup with the GTS if the GT will stop being shipped. For now there is no need to have that because the price difference in SLI is not so much, if I can afford SLI I'm sure to be able to get another 150$ to go all the way to GT instead of GTS.
I'd still be interested to know if nvidia stops manufacture of the card all together or what. I mean I have a 8800gtx/9800gt in a laptop what happens if it goes bad, will I be forced to get it replaced with a GTS?

 

Well, I did not explain myself right, I am sleepy, thanks for pointing that error out, ionairo.

Currently Replacing That With:

The 9800m GTS is not basically an overclocked 8800m GTS, the newer G94 Core Architecture makes an improvement over the G92 that the 8800m GTS used, allowing it to run cooler, while achieving higher clock speeds, although its shading power is not as big as the 8800m GTX / 9800m GT and 9800m GTX, it is still a great card for today's standards, for a lower price tag than those other three, not as future-proof, but also a good overclocker.

 

Good question.

I'm sure that Nvidia will discontinue the cards long before the stock runs bone dry, because they should have to maintain enough inventory to cover the notebooks that are still held under warranty by their manufacturing partners. Well, that's how I think it should work.

 

Update on the Crysis Benchmark Tool, Bug:

The Crysis Benchmark Tool has a bug with the settings, found by johnksss, the resolution and graphics quality will be that of the one set in-game no matter what you set in the benchmark tool's window, to obtain realistic framerates, please set both the game's settings and the benchmark tool's as desired (might not work because of that the benchmark tool changes the resolutions dynamically and this might conflict with the correct result), use of the included .bat file benchmark that comes with Crysis is encouraged while the bug of the Crysis Benchmark Tool is reported and fixed.

 

wow! this was some interesting reading on the speculation of what a 9800m gts is capable of....*LOL*

but to put every ones mind to ease...the 9800m gts is not kicking a 8800m gtx's butt. and cpu has little to do with the crysis bench mark as well. i scored the same with a slower clocked speed (cpu 1.8 ghz) but for 1250.00 bucks, it's the best "budget" gaming notebook you can get at the moment. although they now have a 3rd clevo,(5793) but im not even sure that's an upgrade. seems to be pm965 chipset/ddr2/decent wifi card/bluray/bluethooth/9800m gts/300 gig sataII-7200rpm/ decent screen & fingerprint reader.... so as someone stated before...they are in fact going backward to high end gamer or techy guy, but to "budget gaming" gamers... they hit the right spot. if they drop the bluray and place it in a retail store. it just might make more people think "sager/clevo" along with advertising, which you don't see.....

 

umm, the 5793 is the old model that was replaced by the 5796, so they're just clearing out stock

 

i must have missed something...because last time i checked. sager never sold a 9800m gts notebook, till like last week.

 

on gateway p7811fx, 3d06 score is 8774 stock, 9600+ 20% overclocked.
however, in game performace is factory default gives higher fps than overclocked.
the best result from crysis: 16 average fps, 12min-24max, running on 1920x1200, all high. nvidia setting 600/799/1500.

 

The 9800m GT is not being discontinued. The current 65nm version is being discontinued, but a 55nm version is going to be released in the near future.

 

more news...didn't know they had a 55 sitting around. i knew they had a 55/65 9800m gts though. 55 being 1 gig ddr3 memory.

 

I went with what you posted, taking your word for it. So if I was to believe what you posted, then the 98GTS indeed kicked the crap out of my 88GTX. I’m mad that I had to eat crow (my words), and admit that. But as you see, I did!

But no, it is not faster and we didn’t need a science book to find that out. What we did want to find out, was by how much slower and if it does run cooler.

I said it already, but thanks for being honest and reporting back what you actually achieved once you got everything sorted out. I guess we can just be happy with what we have, and I’m more than happy with mine. One thing I will not trust anymore is Crysis benchmarks being posted or any website claiming to have found something that isn’t there. Nvidia is not crazy; they are not going to make the lower end model faster than its higher end model. Gateways are cheap because it cut corners not because the 98GTS is a cheap non performing card.

Oh yeah, I have the cheaper and slower model of the clevos johnksss.

 

and your source is??????
think that will be news to everyone selling them as they only supply the GTS now and there has been no official mention about it.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=295961&page=2

 

just to reply to your reply. ive replied to it here http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3989943&postcount=17

 

Don't argue guys . To put it easy from what I understand Clevo is starting to ship only GTS. Which means that all the resellers will sell the GT while they still have a stock. Which means that at least until nvidia releases the 9800GT on 55nm (which from what I heard will also be available with 1Gb of memory) there will be no GT. At least thats what I heard and it might all be rumors except for the fact that 2 resellers don't have the GT in stock anymore.

 

Just to clarify, at the moment the NP8660 is the only Sager model to have the 9800M GT discontinued.

 

9800m GTS cannot be better than 9800mGT/GTX. It doesnt matter how many turbos u ll put in your civic, it still wont be faster around the track than a Ferrari.
The civic might keep up on the straight but in the corners it will be blasted by the Ferrari. The same story goes to GTS/GT/GTX

 

I'm sorry but your analogy is so off; a GTX is not the Ferrari to a Honda Civic GTS.

 

MastaMarek...not to hijack, but from your sig....is the gateway really worth it for a performance for price kinda kinda guy? How is overall quality would you say, and also compared to Sagers? thanks

 

sorry to hijack back, but... yes it is. for 1249.99 (usually on sale every other two weeks)

it can play every single game out, but as for crysis/crysis warhead you'll have to drop some res and find your playable outcome. now enabling physx in a game....i didn't get a chance to test out yet....

easy to upgrade. we are about to find out if it will run a quad chip. answer should be in on Monday or Tuesday.

missing bluethooth. and i love my bluetooth

i have had all 3 models. very good lappys....if you can get the right one out of them...*LOL*

 

so the 9296 is safe for awhile?

 

It seems so

 

looks like SAGER put in NP5793 as GTS 17" labtop.. but for 1650... y not go for gateway XD wast of money and time for SAGER to doing this

 

really? im just curious but....how so?

 

check here :
http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-latops-tablets-clevo-sager-notebooks-ct-95_51_162.html

 

no...i was more thinking along the lines of the part where you said "y not go for gateway XD wast of money and time for SAGER to doing this" right about now, that is beating gateways, but when you add the the 1920 screen and most people aren't paying with cash so your looking at 1800.00 bucks yeah. that's one hella of a buy. *gaming & entertainment* on a budget. *LOL* you have to look at the whole picture and not just what you think to be a waste....

 

only different i see on gateway and sager are hard drive and CPU and some etc.. what i am trying to say " sager putting promotion like, are like selling potato " if i looking in to 17" laptop.. i would just get 1.3k gateway

 

lets see...
sager:
bluray
2.5 ghz cpu
bluetooth
320 gig 7200 rpm drive
finger print reader
regular price: 1800.00.
they never had a 2300.00 dollar 9800m gts setup.

gateway
1.83ghz cpu
dual hard drives/ one at time of purchase
1920x1200 screen

regular price 1399.00

 

well blueray u can call that good deal ... but still choose between this 2.. i choose gateway n/c blueray still starting... not that useful for a avg person...
b/c i don't watch blueray... i just DL off BT and watch anything i want

 

ummmmmm..... ok.