NOW I am stoked! (95% gamut screen just calibrated)

Here are a few more profiles from Sager. Again these should be updated on their website next week. Feel free to give them a try and post your feedback.

8130 Matte 95% v2

8130 Matte 95% v3

8130 Glossy 95% v2

7282 HS V2

 

version 2 and 3 are both too pink. both of these are redder than the original icc that shipped with my unit.

 

It's somewhat silly to download a profile and expect it to be calibrated. Calibration happens on a screen-to-screen basis because each backlight and panel is slightly different... that's why we need calibration in the first place

 

u are correct! which is why I haven't bothered posting my spyder calibration here. waste of time. but I wanted to humor Justin by testing those he put up. they all suck for my particular laptop.

 

I loaded the matte v2, and I like it. My default is too bluish, and I have followed the original guide that Sager gave few months back to adjust it using win7 color calibration to turn down the blue. After I did that I liked the screen better. I like this V2 profile even more than that. The screen has more pop. I like it. and I fully understand that the profile is not calibrated for my screen, but hey it made things looking better.

The way I see it is this

Screen as is = not calibrated

Screen personally adjusted = not calibrated

Screen loaded with sager profiled profiles = not calibrated

Sager’s approach in providing the profiles isn’t to make your screen 100% calibrated, but is to give us more options to try.

Now the way I see it is that the v2 doesn’t make your screen high red but pink now? So it’s moving in a good direction? If you would share your profiles for user’s with red screens we might move even closer for some people. If you won’t share I don’t see how you can be mad at Sager for at least trying to give customers more options.

 

exactly. No need for people to ridicule Sager for at least trying to help out their customers.

 

Please tell me who is "mad" at Sager? the only way to get accurate color is to get yourself a Spyder (or comparable product) and profile your screen yourself. I never expected that I'd have perfect color without going though a calibration. I also didn't think that when my computer boots up, the screen would be dark red when it should be black. HINT: take a look at the title of this thread...

 

Are you not? Then I give you my deepest apology.

However have you read your posts since the post from Justin? It just sound like you have a thing against what sager and Justin is doing. The way I read the post from Justin is that Sager understands exactly what you are saying and they want the users to get a calibration device as much as you think we should. But they also want to give us a chance to see what a color profile would do to the screen. Or we could be on our own by adjusting these color setting to our liking which I did before the release of these profiles.

anyway as of now I like the matte v2 profile for my NP8150 that wasn't even purchase directly from sager or sager branded this time around as I did with my past units, received a better deal from a different vendor. But I do have to give my thanks to sager for providing the profiles as its working for me.

 

I have no problem with them posting a 1,000 different profiles if that's what they want to do. But I don't need to try them all. all of the ones I've tried have been way off base for my particular screen. they probably work great for someone else, but that's not my concern. when I set my custom profile I can be assured that when I print a photo it comes out looking exactly like it does in Lightroom. that's really all I care about, which is why I said I was stoked that I now have accurate color (as long as I view the screen from a narrowly defined sweet spot). I didn't expect this type of screen to provide identical color from various angles, like my 32" monitor does. that would be expecting too much.

and I'm not ungrateful that they are trying to help. I've just said the profiles are not working for my unit. that's a fact. that's no ingratitude. what do u want me to say? want me to lie and say they work well??

 

These calibrations are pointless for me because Windows 7 won't apply them to DirectX games. It's a well know issue. Sure your desktop will look great after calibration, but games will still look too red. Exiting certain games causes your profile to reset too.

 

That isn't true. I use ProfileChooser, and the color calibrations do show when I'm playing a game.

 

Which games, Jack?

I had this same concern and have asked around. Consensus seems to be some games respect the color calibration of windows, some don't.

Hence, after hearing stories like in this thread, I saved the money and hopefully the potential for discrepency and went stock matte... still a high contrast and great screen.

 

Lauski--have you received your system yet? How do you like the stock matte screen? Thanks.

 

I'm lucky that the only game I want to play is FSX and it responds to the calibrations. in fact, the ONLY reason I went with Sager was because my last DV6 refused to run on the Radeon when opening FSX, thereby making it essentially unplayable. it wouldn't even permit me to choose DX10 because the game couldn't recognize that there was a Radeon on board. HP/AMD's screw up with switchable graphics has cost me about $600 in additional computer purchase costs just so I could get away from SG issues. I am not a happy camper. I loved the screen and everything else about the DV6 and the only issue was SG.

 

My 30 days of waiting end tomorrow. I'll be glad to share all my thoughts in about 12 hrs when I get it

 

Sounds awesome, dave1812. Never thought about the screen calibration before, but it looks like I have more things to do now when I receive the new P151HM1!

 

You have about 2 hrs now!

 

Haha. Well, here I am. 12 minutes past the promised time. Just finished Win7 Install.

I'll do a full write-up after I've had more time to play with it obviously. But here's the initial feel:

The Stock Matte Screen is everything I could want.
I have had good quality glossy screens on all my laptops and never cared much about Matte.

I care now.

Especially here @ work with the florescent bulbs.

So here are some cool things observed thus far:
-From the moment I turned it on, black was black, and a very deep black. The Sager logo popped out, in bright white. (Sigh of relief was instant at this point)
-The matte finish looks sharp and is working as it should.
-The default brightness looks great. (I'll post what level I'm at once I install the driver for it and can see what Fn+ shows me)
-You read all about viewing angle this n' that, and degrees of tilt, ya ya... Well, here's a real-world practically termed thing: All of my coworkers standing around it, at waist-height could see the screen perfectly, just like me sitting in front of it. It only washes out noticeably if you're under the screen. And this would be hard to do unless you were an ant, and standing on the keyboard

More to come in the review thread, but there you go for now!

 

Dang. I wish there was a stock Matte option on the P170HM. I don't mind paying about $200 for EITHER a GPU upgrade or a screen upgrade, but having to pay for both is killing my decision to buy (My limit is $1500). I really don't want to jump down to a 15"

 

Get an external monitor like I do for @ home, then you have a slick machine for portability! Really don't want the 15, eh? To me, it's just the right size to not have to lug it around.

I'm not sure of all the prices you're looking at, but I cashed out under $1200 for this set up. NewEgg has some nice monitors 23.6" even at $200, let alone if you can go $300.

 

I'm more concerned for on-the-go. I have a 27" Matte monitor sitting in front of me on my desktop

The base P170HM is about $1300. Toss in video upgrade $150-$300 depending on your choice (even more if you want to go that route!) and then another $200 for either the 72% matte or 90% glossy. That puts me near $1700 rather than $1500 and makes me one sad panda.

 

Just buy an AUO BW173HW01 v5 off eBay. You can probably find one for around $150

The V5 is the matte version of the 92% gamut screen.

 

I'm failing to see where saving $50 brings my total from $1700 to $1500 lol

 

glad to hear everything looks good at this point. (u lucky devil, not having a monitor that's reddish til the calibration program kicks in, and even then expanses of black are still red and off axis viewing is: from above, very red, from below it goes green, left or right it's red again. the sweet spot for viewing my screen is about 3 square inches, from about 2' away.)

 

Then buy the CPU. Screen can be bought down the road and is a much easier upgrade.

That's what I'm doing. I went for the stock screen. Malibal has confirmed their stock P170HM screens are Hannstars which have received very good reviews. I figure I'll stick with that and see what it's like. Then if I decide I want a better screen, I'll just grab one off eBay in the future and sell off the old Hannstar or keep it as a backup in case the other one breaks.

 

This is the exact thought process I had, but then I read all these happy people with Matte screens, and it is what I wanted from the get-go. So just causing me a headache at this point

I'm ok with installing my own screen but for $50 why not have it covered under the warranty and let someone else put it in?

 

You're getting caught up in the hype. I almost succumbed to it as well. Then I realized that I just sold my old laptop for this new Malibal I will be receiving soon and I had no idea what gamut my old screen was. And I was okay with it.

Your money is put to much better use with a GPU upgrade.

Really, anyone can rationalize anything if they want to:

-What good is an upgraded GPU without a decent screen?
-What good is a decent screen without an upgraded GPU?

See?

The one constant though is the assumption that the stock screen IS NOT a good screen. How do you know it's not a good screen if you haven't seen it yet? That was a safe assumption when Clevo was using the LG screens which were horrible but since then, Clevo has started using Hannstars for the stock screens and they've received very good reviews.

 

If they had a stock Matte screen I'd pick it and go, but it is glossy.

I really just want Matte.

 

so get matte

 

Well, you COULD theoretically sell yours and end up flipping for a very low cost, as opposed to dumping $200 on the "upgrade" from your provider.

See?

Then, you just put that $200 in the GPU, something that you will ALWAYS be happy you have, something that would be more expensive to do yourself (and probably not easy to sell a used, older video card later down the road).

This way, if you are unhappy with the glossy screen in any way, you can do something about it. You comfy taking laptops apart?

And awesome on that 27" external. Sounds like you got the same idea as me, just a way better monitor.

 

Thanks, Lauski. That was very helpful.
One question: Do the colors seem washed out at all--is the saturation level satisfactory?

 

Yeah I thought of that after... Good idea. I'm wondering how hard it would be to flip the standard Glossy... but in general I like glossy anyway so thought there might be a chance I would keep it. But when I see nice Matte screens I'm always impressed.

I'm fine with taking apart stuff as I've built computers for over 10 years now, laptops are just more finicky because of all the freaking screws.

 

Not in the least do they look washed out, I can comment more later once I get a game or something on to evaluate against easy-to-compare experiences.

But switching between the win7 backgrounds, all the colors look deep, dark and rich-- As I'd expect them to, as I'm largely used to on my External Samsung 24" Monitor.

Best said, or said another way, I'm pretty picky, but by no means a professional photog. This LCD just looks "right". Plain and simple. No calibration, no goofing, just turn it on and it looks "right".

 

Here's my last thought for you, since I've been all over these forums as it pertains to screens for my Np8130.

Ok, is this the screen you'll be getting?
LP173WF1 ?




[EDIT: WHEW! Looks like the answer is no, so don't bother with this, below here:]

I pulled the 17" models from this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...-between-different-screen-options-photos.html

I think that is yours, potentially.

Cross-reffing by google searching that model + "Notebookcheck" to get a review for you, I find this:

Review mySN XMG U700 ULTRA GTX 470M SLI Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

This actually makes me nervous:
Maximum: 202 cd/m²
Average: 183.2 cd/m²
Brightness Distribution: 87 %
Center on Battery: 175 cd/m²
Black: 0.91 cd/m²
Contrast: 192:1

So, your black value is high enough (bad) that it will look a little gray when you want a black. The brightness is going to be a bit below what you will feel is "adequately" bright, and the contrast ratio is indicative of these two statistics.

This all being said, yeah, get that screw-driver ready and if you've got the experience, take it apart. I think it's relatively easy on this Clevo machines too. No breaking the whole thing apart like on some ASUS machines.

As far as, can you sell this other screen? Well, not to a picky person in the Sager forums, but, this screen is probably used in way more systems than we know. Do some checking, and then Ebay it as the stock screen to the half a dozen or more machines it belongs to. You'll probably sell it quick and be giving someone with a broken screen a great replacement deal, if you plan on taking a 15% hit. (And this makes a cheap upgrade for you in the process).

 

I'm pretty sure the standard Hannstar model is:

Monitor ID- HSD06A5
Model- HSD173PUW1

Anandtech did a review of it in an ASUS G73Jh

 

Oh that's great. He's gonna love it.

Dude, just tilt it away if any reflections bother you. Looks like a spiffy screen. Probably unreal to look at with those numbers.

And yeah, if you DID want to sell it, you'd sell it easily. High quality, so snobs and noobs alike, it'd be sought after on Ebay.

 

Thanks for all the effort.

As noted a post below this one, Hannstar is the default and I've heard great news on it.

I've been leaning towards just getting the GPU for quite some time now, and even with that I wonder do I really need a 6970 (similar or better) to play SC2 and possibly Diablo III when it comes out? I'm not big on FPS on computer so these are really the 2 I'll be concerned about.

Also Torchlight II looks promising, but if it is anything like the first one, I don't need a stellar system, lol.

Thanks again. +Rep

 

You can use this to help you gauge what you need for SC2 and probably comparable Diablo III specs:

StarCraft 2 - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Just depends on your tolerance for turning down the resolution, or graphic features, but more cards support a high mode of details than you'd probably think.

 

Wow that page is sweet, never seen that before. All this googling and I never found that page.

Looks like a huge jump from 560m to 6970m on that chart. Might as well throw down the bones for it.

 

look at this. why is lenovo display thinkpad in my windows update? is the matte 95% screen used in lenovo devices as well.

 

Correct. This is the same 95% CG screen used in the W520 series of Lenovo laptops. Which is a good thing. I assume you got yours before they became standard issue on Sagers, like what I did. I am curious as to what Windows would call the non-custom versions that Sager, not the reseller, installs.

 

The same with me

 

for now, the matte screen is only available for 15.6" right? or is there version for the 17.3"?

 

You can get a Matte 17.3" but it is 72%. No 95% Matte 17"s models available right now.

 

That first profile made a world of difference on my 5165. Thanks for that (I think it was Justin) ... Ghosting issue is still there but it is much improved.

 

Hello everyone,

Do some other people have the same reddish problem than Dave have with his screen?

 

That problem hasn't been here for a long time, I think the resellers are testing the screens now

 

There was a bad batch of screens that came through which were quickly identified and sent back to the original manufacturer. If you look at the date of that post it was from August 2011. After that batch the screens have been great.

 

Actually, my cousin just received my laptop to test it before sending it to me in France. He told me that the screen is strangely red since the start with the Sager logo. I contacted my reseller who told me that this screen model does have a red prodiminance built in. So there is nothing we can do about that. So, I contacted others resellers who told that it may have a thin red tint with this screen. I found it strange that only few person noticed that reddish problem.

@Hutsady : xoticpc is the only reseller who told me that it's now a solved problem. the others told me it can still happen.

PS: sorry for my english if I make mistakes.

 

There was a red ghosting problem about a year ago and that was resolved.

The red tint is a different issue.

The 95% screens (either matte or glossy) will give you the red tint, but the standard screens do not. Of course the standard screens do not display as many colors, display the colors as vibrantly, are not as bright, and do not have the excellent viewing angles that you will find on the 95% screens.